Why is perth bid so secretive?!

[Wb1234]

Lions are a basketcase? Their average crowd is 27k since 1997. Besides maybe the Broncos (and that’s a maybe - I’d have to check it out) what NRL club is attracting that type of average crowd over that length of time.

The Swans were broke what 30 years ago? Completely different times. No club in either code is going to financially crash - a PNG side is a good chance without government funding but outside of that I don’t see it.

Sure buddy

that’s why the afl gives the lions 25 million pa and west coast eagles ten millon pa cause the lions have a strong business. Lmao

 

[Wb1234]

AFL funding ladder revealed: $100m gap between top and bottom clubs

The size of the gap is a sore point for some power clubs, with Essendon president Paul Brasher demanding a say in how the next round of money is doled out.

amp.theage.com.au

Operating Profit (excluding variable funding)​

Figures are 2017-2020 aggregates
Table with 2 columns and 18 rows. Currently displaying rows 1 to 18. Sorted descending by column "X.2"
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Team	Amount ▼
West Coast	$32,189,339
Richmond	$11,721,615
Hawthorn	$11,433,381
Collingwood	$11,216,330
Essendon	$4,849,837
Adelaide	$3,182,438
Geelong	$2,971,862
Carlton	$48,995
Fremantle	−$897,112
Gold Coast	−$4,525,763
Western Bulldogs	−$7,896,547
Sydney	−$11,586,960
Port Adelaide	−$14,560,551
North Melbourne	−$15,718,784
Melbourne	−$19,112,672
St Kilda	−$32,660,014
Bris Lions	−$35,227,747
GWS	−$50,015,600

@Colk

 

[Colk]

AFL funding ladder revealed: $100m gap between top and bottom clubs

The size of the gap is a sore point for some power clubs, with Essendon president Paul Brasher demanding a say in how the next round of money is doled out.

amp.theage.com.au

Operating Profit (excluding variable funding)​

Figures are 2017-2020 aggregates
Table with 2 columns and 18 rows. Currently displaying rows 1 to 18. Sorted descending by column "X.2"
�

Team	Amount ▼
West Coast	$32,189,339
Richmond	$11,721,615
Hawthorn	$11,433,381
Collingwood	$11,216,330
Essendon	$4,849,837
Adelaide	$3,182,438
Geelong	$2,971,862
Carlton	$48,995
Fremantle	−$897,112
Gold Coast	−$4,525,763
Western Bulldogs	−$7,896,547
Sydney	−$11,586,960
Port Adelaide	−$14,560,551
North Melbourne	−$15,718,784
Melbourne	−$19,112,672
St Kilda	−$32,660,014
Bris Lions	−$35,227,747
GWS	−$50,015,600

@Colk

So your argument is that if the AFL didn’t give them money then they would make a loss and this is from 2018?

If you want to use that same argument i.e how poor would a club be without funding from the competition how many NRL clubs would be struggling right now? I know the answer because I and you remember the Super League days pre grants.

So essentially so as long as the competition are making the money that they are then they will be fine. Same with our competition yeah?

 

[Perth Red]

Wait

aren’t you the guy that said vlandys is wasting his time with America

lmao

so Perth yes
America no

Ive seen folies enough to spot one a mile away

RL interest and potential in Perth v RL in USA is incomparable. IF NRL was serious, and I mean really really serious great. But they arent, they are after a tiny slice of a big gambling market. That isnt about growing the game.

 

[Perth Red]

Yeh a good PowerPoint presentation will get you a license

why are you quoting vlandys when it suits you ?

we’ve got better places to go too ahead of Perth

nz2 and Brisbane 3 are way ahead of Perth

if vlandys adds Perth ahead of them he’s making a massive mistake

No but a good business case, or a massive govt handout, will.

Im quoting the games decision maker with a very relevant recent quote about Perth in reply to donkeys nonsense about ARLC not interested.

in your opinion, there is no better new market to go to than perth right now, maybe

In your opinion. NZ2 doesnt have any backers so not sure how they could be ahead?

In your opinion.

 

[Pippen94]

worried about being teased lol, are you 12?

it was for NRL, perth has never seen a crowd of 43k for club RL before. oh yeh baby!

Barcelona got over 30k for a superleague game too. Should they get an expansion team in UK comp?!

 

[Pippen94]

No but a good business case, or a massive govt handout, will.

Im quoting the games decision maker with a very relevant recent quote about Perth in reply to donkeys nonsense about ARLC not interested.

in your opinion, there is no better new market to go to than perth right now, maybe

In your opinion. NZ2 doesnt have any backers so not sure how they could be ahead?

In your opinion.

State government not giving much to nrl

 

[The Great Dane]

So your argument is that if the AFL didn’t give them money then they would make a loss and this is from 2018?

If you want to use that same argument i.e how poor would a club be without funding from the competition how many NRL clubs would be struggling right now? I know the answer because I and you remember the Super League days pre grants.

So essentially so as long as the competition are making the money that they are then they will be fine. Same with our competition yeah?

A good portion would effectively be insolvent overnight, and the majority of the rest would be totally reliant on increased grants/investment from their LC or owners. Probably only the Broncos and maybe Rabbits (and it's a big maybe) would be ok, but even they would take a significant hit and would need to tighten their belts.

 

[Pippen94]

A good portion would effectively be insolvent overnight, and the majority of the rest would be totally reliant on increased grants/investment from their LC or owners. Probably only the Broncos and maybe Rabbits (and it's a big maybe) would be ok, but even they would take a significant hit and would need to tighten their belts.

So your argument is that if the AFL didn’t give them money then they would make a loss and this is from 2018?

If you want to use that same argument i.e how poor would a club be without funding from the competition how many NRL clubs would be struggling right now? I know the answer because I and you remember the Super League days pre grants.

So essentially so as long as the competition are making the money that they are then they will be fine. Same with our competition yeah?

The big broadcast deals based on support for clubs denied to those clubs. Seems fair..

 

[Wb1234]

So your argument is that if the AFL didn’t give them money then they would make a loss and this is from 2018?

If you want to use that same argument i.e how poor would a club be without funding from the competition how many NRL clubs would be struggling right now? I know the answer because I and you remember the Super League days pre grants.

So essentially so as long as the competition are making the money that they are then they will be fine. Same with our competition yeah?

no you’ve missed the point

this is the additional funding clubs get over the base payment (figures are up to 2020 actually and recent figures are the same for the expansion clubs)

the lowest afl clubs receives 10 million in total from the afl (wce). The highest clubs receive 27 million from the afl (lions and gws). Ie almost 3 times as much as the lowest

If the afl clubs got an equal distribution like nrl clubs do then all of their expansion clubs wouldn’t exist

rugby league expansion clubs manage to prosper without such benefits so that would suggest afl expansion isn’t very solid

what happens when the cash runs out one day their surplus aren’t so good these days

sometimes you need to dig a little deeper the afl world is built on bad foundations

 

[Wb1234]

Ive seen folies enough to spot one a mile away

RL interest and potential in Perth v RL in USA is incomparable. IF NRL was serious, and I mean really really serious great. But they arent, they are after a tiny slice of a big gambling market. That isnt about growing the game.

Sure buddy

Perth won’t grow the game much either but that doesn’t stop you advocating them and not america

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That’s also a silly statement

How so?

Melbourne has about 5k participants. Games not involving the Storm are watched by just 8k people in Melbourne. The same amount for games in Perth. The difference is Perth has the potential to produce more players.

What's stupid is your insane belief that we should ignore a bid from Brisbane that will bring in more sponsorship than any non-Queensland team and draw 25k or more to its home games, for no other reason than you think the possibility of creating a few thousand fans in Perth is more important.

Because it is Super Rugby and the A-League. They aren’t going particularly well are they?

Force used to average 27k spectators to their games at Subiaco. That's more than twice as many as the Reds got in their best season.

That’s called expansion mate. Nobody can guarantee anything and the whole argument of well it failed once we shouldn’t try again is so moronic. If we all thought that then human history would be a whole lot different - we might be still living in caves probably.

I look at fumbleball and most other sports in this country and they seem to be able to have teams where the populations are. F*** me if they can manage it why we are so scared?

Also before you throw the whole Suns and Giants angle, I just listened to a podcast where Weidler argued that we should do expansion not because it is intrinsically the best choice but because it might stick it to fumbleball. Seriously, we are that worried about another code in an area where we are dominant. If that doesn’t show you who has the best model for expansion then I can’t help you.

If you think we should go where the people are then why aren't you pushing for the Raiders to f**k off to Perth?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

and perth was 1mill population compared to 2.2mil today

So how come the participation rate is only 40% as big as it was?

A city doesn't need an NRL team to have people playing the game. If it did then places like Rockhampton would never have produced players like Cam Munster.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So you want to get rid of Broncos and Melbourne, two of the games biggest clubs. You're not very bright are you?

If I wasn't very bright then I'd be advocating for teams in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth on the basis it will create new fans and players!

How many players has Melbourne produced?

3 or 5 over 25 years?

Melbourne only has 5k participants. Ratings in Melbourne are abysmal. The Storm have contributed f**k all to the game, yet you think they're proof that teams in Adelaide and Perth will make us as big as AwFuL. You're a complete f**kwit.

 

[Wb1234]

No but a good business case, or a massive govt handout, will.

Im quoting the games decision maker with a very relevant recent quote about Perth in reply to donkeys nonsense about ARLC not interested.

in your opinion, there is no better new market to go to than perth right now, maybe

In your opinion. NZ2 doesnt have any backers so not sure how they could be ahead?

In your opinion.

When vlandys said Vegas would be a success you mocked him

when he backed png he was was a dope

but now you are picking this quote
and backing him as a decision maker ?

lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

shall we ignore cricket and basketball? More like maybe sports fans wont spend their hard earned supporting clubs that are run sht in sports that have lost their way?

How's crowds in soccer and union doing in other cities?

Glory had more support when they played in the NSL. The A-League is bigger than the NSL ever was. That f**ks up your theory.

Must be really depressing to be a rugby league fan and not have a belief that our great game can be taken up and enjoyed by people who currently dont have much exposure to it. I'm glad I'm more of an optimist when it comes to expansion.

The only reason you've been pushing for a team in Perth over the last 15 years is because a) you were stupid enough to move there and b) too stubborn to relocate to Brisbane or Sydney.

 

[Wb1234]

Then why say this?



and you didnt answer, how's crowds in soccer and union doing in other cities? Is this a perth issue or a code issue for those sports?

Perth issue obviously

over expansion is a big problem for soccer and union something we should take note of with Perth

 

[Wb1234]

Glory had more support when they played in the NSL. The A-League is bigger than the NSL ever was. That f**ks up your theory.

I didn’t know they were an nsl side

wow they have been around for ages

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I didn’t know they were an nsl side

wow they have been around for ages

The Glory were getting 14k to NSL games in the late 90s and early 00s. Their support has almost halved in the A-League.

 

[Wb1234]

The Glory were getting 14k to NSL games in the late 90s and early 00s. Their support has almost halved in the A-League.

Wow shows how much I know I thought the nsl died off in the 80s

used to go clubbing at Marconi and Apia clubs the ground at Marconi was tidy