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Why little mention of the CQ NRL bid?

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CQ Italia

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226k (2011 - using qld gov website) for Rockhampton, Gladstone, Central Highlands and Banana regions (parts of the last two may be a bit over 200k).
 

gyallop

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as I said the population of what the state calls Central Qld.

This is a real number and a good one as they are rugby league people with no other national sport to dilute the support so there is no need to devalue your bid with this no doubt PR spin of 600,000.

If the Western Corridor and the Bombers ( well they do!!) did that they would have at a good guess over 3,000,000 SEQ and Nth NSW and blow you out of the water....3,000,000 divided by 2 is much still bigger than 600,000!
 

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The fact that there is such debating over the issue shows that CQLD is not big enough.

No one is attacking any other bid for the lack of population.

Population is criteria #1.

And it fails.
 

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Viability / business operations is the #1 for me

As evident with the amount of expansion teams that have went bust or had troubles.

But yes there is alot of different criteria attached.

Central QLD will have the support as it is a rugby league region first.

Any QLD location will add value to TV rights as QLD fans will watch qld teams / qld dominated teams (i.e. Storm). The media/market research backs this up.
 

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Viability is dependent on a sufficient market (ie: population) for the business to be viable.

business operations, no.

A fantastic business operation can still fail if there is not a sufficient population to market to.

Meanwhile a poor business operation can still succeed if the population far exceeds its needs to be viable.

You're grabbing at straws.
 

CQ Italia

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Viability is dependent on a sufficient market (ie: population) for the business to be viable.

business operations, no.

A fantastic business operation can still fail if there is not a sufficient population to market to.

Meanwhile a poor business operation can still succeed if the population far exceeds its needs to be viable.

You're grabbing at straws.
CQ are viable on financial backing and fan support based on what's on paper not "potential if given a license" (which often reslts in large periods of struggling with RL expansion in AUS/NZ/UK/FRANCE). Even Gallop has admitted that CQ's financial viability is strong.
The market has to have strong rugby league supporter (population) base and history. But most of all actually represent their fans and region + have a strong following

Only ones grabbing at straws are the RL fans losing confident in their preferred options.

CC and CQ are by far the most proven supported bids (aiming for inclusion in the next 2 spots).
 
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Mackay isnt part of central Qld. Never has been , never will be.
You are greatly mistaken . Mackay as well as moranbah are in the central division. Just because they have feeder clubs to north queensland does not mean they are in north queensland.
 

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In reality the catchment for game attendance is a 2hr drive radius. The number of fans willing to do more than a 4hour round trip to see a game will be minuscule. What is the population in that radius?
that may be the case for you in WA or city slickers but travelling 3 or 4 hours is bugger all for us here in regional queensland. Just gotta attend a few cowboys games to see that
 

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as I said the population of what the state calls Central Qld.

This is a real number and a good one as they are rugby league people with no other national sport to dilute the support so there is no need to devalue your bid with this no doubt PR spin of 600,000.

If the Western Corridor and the Bombers ( well they do!!) did that they would have at a good guess over 3,000,000 SEQ and Nth NSW and blow you out of the water....3,000,000 divided by 2 is much still bigger than 600,000!
Who really gives a f*** on a team in seq!! With the broncoes and its fan base already entrenched why would another team be included from SEQ. The gol;d coasts woes emphasise this .
 

CQ RAIDER

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The fact that there is such debating over the issue shows that CQLD is not big enough.

No one is attacking any other bid for the lack of population.

Population is criteria #1.

And it fails.
Maybe its because half the cretins either have not lived in the area or even visited the area
 

CQ RAIDER

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Major port infustructure going ahead in gladstone and another large mining franchise in alpha which will draw many more to the region on top of that 600000 is definately more proof this region is booming . And i have no doubt we if given a nrl franchise will succeed just as the cowboys have
 

gyallop

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CQ Raider calling others cretins as they dont share your passionate view does little to advance CQ's cause.
Your view of what is CQ isnt shared by the State and thats the point that was being raised. You are entitled to your belief but the ARLC will be looking at other criteria.
The Cowboys are hardly a good example , they went bust and News bailed them out and spent a fortune establishing them before handing them back a few years ago. I dont see any one lining up to lose something by propping up CQ like the $30m News did in getting the Cowboys on their feet.
As I have said CQ seem to have a sound bid but dont need to embark on a "bombers style no substance" PR campaign. It's just my opinion but as someone who liked the bid it has lost me in recent times and perhaps others.
 

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who saved the Cowboys? Denis Keeffe a key member.

The regional qld vs SE QLD rivalry relates to all regional queenslanders due to the fact all the attention is on Brisbane, most funding goes to SE QLD and increases community passion. Much like NSW vs QLD. Plus recieves good attention in the media, as they would otherwise completely ignore CQ.
 

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Capras eager for televised fixture

Alan Kennedy | 5th June 2012 6:13 AM





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Tags: brenton williamson, cq capras, intrust super cup
CQ Capras chief executive Brenton Williamson is counting down the days before the first television transmission of an Intrust Super Cup fixture.

Capras CEO Brenton Williamson checks out one of the camera angles from above Browne Park.
Sharyn Oneill Rokscapra

CQ Capras chief executive Brenton Williamson is counting down the days before the first television transmission of an Intrust Super Cup fixture from Browne Park.

"It is an experience we have never been able to offer before," he said.

While the Capras enjoyed good corporate support, to be able to provide a little extra in the form of a live game being beamed across the state is a bonus.

In the past, clubs in the south-east of the state have had the luxury of having a couple of games televised from their home ground and this provides the bonus of being able to assure sponsors of televised matches being screened and their company name relayed.

"For clubs in the south-east corner the likelihood of televised games increases," he said.

"Our sponsors haven't had the same exposure for their signage."

With less than two weeks to the big day on June 17, Williamson is busy ensuring the Capras make the most of this unique opportunity.

"Capricorn Enterprises will be the game day sponsor," he announced.

"The club is very grateful to Capricorn Enterprises."

A part of the match day promotion for Capricorn Enterprises will be having their logo painted on the Browne Park playing surface.

"It is a great opportunity to be live on Channel 9," he said.

Williamson is confident the game being live will not have a detrimental effect on the match day attendance. In fact Williamson believed the game would produce a bumper crowd with a total of 3000 spectators confidently expected.

The Capras CEO is also aware the success of the live game will assist the CQ NRL Bid.

Last weekend the area expected to feature as CQ's main rival Ipswich was the feature game against Northern Pride. The match lacked atmosphere with a small crowd in attendance.

"If we can get 3000 people at Browne Park and they are vocal it will be great," he said.

"We want people in Central Queensland to vote with feet."


The televised match against Norths Devils only provides a part of the afternoon's entertainment with Gladstone visiting for matches against Rockhampton in both A-grade and under-20s.

It is almost like a trial run on Sunday for the Capras as they face the Wynnum Manly Sea Eagles at Browne Park.

The match is a test to see how far the young CQ team has progressed after the drubbing it received from the Sea Eagles in the first round.

Players who were a part of that severe mauling will be looking to exact revenge on a very good Wynnum side.

Surprisingly the Sea Eagles suffered a few reversals in recent weeks but that could provide the hunger to get back on track.

Williamson was looking at a crowd of 2000 for the game with the CQ public wanting to assist the Capras in setting the records straight.

Sunday's game is at 2.30pm with Junior Capras trial games taking place throughout the day from 8am.


http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/story/2012/06/05/capras-anticipate-televised-fixture-super-cup/


Ipswich 500-600 vs potentially 3000 for Rocky in QCup.
 

gyallop

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That's great news on Tim. I didnt realise he was a Rocky lad, I knew he was Penrith NYC but he has been a revelation in Comets/Capra with little support.

Denis Keefe is a fine administrator but it was the News dollars that saved the Cowboys, without those millions Denis was unemployed as the Club would have folded.
 

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CQ are viable on financial backing and fan support based on what's on paper not "potential if given a license" (which often reslts in large periods of struggling with RL expansion in AUS/NZ/UK/FRANCE).

Your rhetoric didn't work the first time.. why do you keep trying?

And do you mean "potential if given a license", like your imaginary stadium?

Even Gallop has admitted that CQ's financial viability is strong.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What a shot in the foot.

John Grant has made some comments on what he thinks is the way for expansion. Maybe you should look at that?

The market has to have strong rugby league supporter (population) base and history. But most of all actually represent their fans and region + have a strong following

So..... not CQLD? The fact that you constantly threat that AFL will take over if the bid is not successful is strong evidence that "passionate, loyal rugby league followers" in the area are lacking.

See? You don't get it both ways.

Only ones grabbing at straws are the RL fans losing confident in their preferred options.

Seen the CCBears thread lately?

You are worse than them, as they have an actual brain in there head and know they are going downhill. CQLD crashed the f*cking car 5m into the race and are telling everyone they are neck and neck for first place.

CC and CQ are by far the most proven supported bids (aiming for inclusion in the next 2 spots).

x all of that by 2.
 

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that may be the case for you in WA or city slickers but travelling 3 or 4 hours is bugger all for us here in regional queensland. Just gotta attend a few cowboys games to see that


4 hours? lol you seen the size of WA?

I still stand by the reality that you will get less than 2000 imo willing to travel a round trip of 4hours+. Throw in bad weather or an underperforming side and you can reduce that significantly. That means they need to get around 15-16K from Rockhampton area attending games to be viable. Canberra or Townsville can't do it with similiar populations so I have to have my doubts if you guys can.

There are three major hurdles for this bid imo
1. Convince the NRL you will have a 20,000+ stadium built by 2015
2. Convince the ARLC that you are worth as much in TV $'s and corporate support interest as a second Brisbane team
3. Convince the ARLC that you have a popualtion big enough to generate a fanbase of 18K paying fans and members

Jnrs and financial support you certainly tick the boxes.
 

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