Why little mention of the CQ NRL bid?

[Timmah]

He clearly stated he was using 2006 census data, the most recent official collection of data (i.e. not estimates).

Anyway, your NSW v QLD argument is stupid. If you're going to base your arguments for expansion on numbers of teams in states then you're really not looking at the issue. We need to move into strong population centres where league can thrive. Facts: CC and Perth are the two best candidates based on that.

 

[smithie]

The next team from QLD MUST play out of Suncorp Stadium.

Gallop should just tell the CQ bid team to stop wasting their time.

Yes, yes, a thousand times YES. I would love to see a TRUE local rivalry in Brisbane.

Bring in Perth and Brisbane No.2 for 2013. Central Coast should only come in to replace a dying Sydney team.

If Melbourne can have two A-League teams, Brisbane should be able to have two NRL teams.

 

[Brutus]

Yes, yes, a thousand times YES. I would love to see a TRUE local rivalry in Brisbane.

Bring in Perth and Brisbane No.2 for 2013. Central Coast should only come in to replace a dying Sydney team.

If Melbourne can have two A-League teams, Brisbane should be able to have two NRL teams.

Agree. And if fumbleball can have 2 south east QLD teams then the NRL should at least have 3.

 

[mightybears]

Thers already a team based Brisbane north side team, its called the Brisbane Broncos who are based in based in Red Hill, which incidentally is a western suburb of Brisbane. A Redcliffe (in combination with caboolture and pine rivers council area) side (though very unlikely due to its close ties with the Broncos) is possible, but its will struggle big time even though it has 356, 709 people due being so close to broncos territory.

The part of of brisbane that really needs a team, I think is Brisbane southside in combination with Ipswich and Logan.

I know Red Hill well, and don't doubt that a South & West Logan & Ipswich team makes more sense, but if the best bid comes from Redcliffe-Sunshine Coast way, then the Broncs and their inner west base will push out back towards the South and West over the river.

 

[Perth Red]

You might want to update your stats. Sydney reached 4 million in 1999. Now estimated to be 4.5 million (smh march 31 2010).

Perth is much bigger now as well and is set to double.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/05/2838096.htm

 

[bobbis]

CQ isn't near ready for a team.

Macky is about 80000 and Rocky about 75000, they're well down the list on priority. Perth needs to be one of the next 2 as well as one 'safe' expansion either Brisbane or CC. I'd put CQ after Perrth, Adelaide, Wellington, Brisbane 2, Sunshine Coast, Central Coast and even Chirstchurch. Its already a safe area with the tv viewers already tuning in and it has a low population. CQ is a high growth area and in 20-30 years it might be viable but at the moment there's far better candidates.

Greater Brisbane is about 2 million of the 4.4 million people in this state, it'd be insane to have 1 team in the densely populated half of the state and 3 teams in the other half, the next Qld team will be from greater Brisbane.

The big concern is the lack of any public policy from the NRL, they should be setting out a framework for expansion over the next 10 if not 20 years, like other codes are doing right now.

 

[Goddo]

^ exactly. No one is saying CQ don't deserve a team some time in the future. They simply won't be ready for a good 10-20 years to host an NRL side, even with massive population growth when you concider some of the alternatives. Thats why I put up population figures.

Population growth across Qld has been strong in all centres, so arguing an 80k town with 10% growth is more deserving than say Sunny Coast or Logan/Ipswich with 250-300k with 10% growth is a stupid argument.

Thats like AFL claiming 100% growth in Sydney from 4 kids to 8 compared to 10 000 RL kids becoming 20 000. Same growth rate, but not the whole story. Hence using census data.

Manly when looking to play games on the sunshine coast looked long and hard at the area and decided it wasn't ready, and that was for just a few games. If the SC isn't good enough there is no way CQ is a go'er. The CQ bid team not long ago were saying they might have to split games between Rockhampton and the Sunny Coast to make the team viable because population is an issue, and that they would be happy to accept a relocated Sydney side.

Weigh that against the CC Bears and Perth Reds who have stadiums, sposorships, memberships, juniors, tv value, and huge population catchments ready to go now and it simply doesn't stack up. Good work by the CQ guys, commendable stuff, but they will have to wait, but it will be worth it in the end.

They need to look to the next expansion (along with Wellington and SE Qld bids). PNG won't be ready until 2015, so they will miss the 2013 TV deal window too.

 

[clarency]

^ exactly. No one is saying CQ don't deserve a team some time in the future. They simply won't be ready for a good 10-20 years to host an NRL side, even with massive population growth when you concider some of the alternatives. Thats why I put up population figures.

Population growth across Qld has been strong in all centres, so arguing an 80k town with 10% growth is more deserving than say Sunny Coast or Logan/Ipswich with 250-300k with 10% growth is a stupid argument.

Thats like AFL claiming 100% growth in Sydney from 4 kids to 8 compared to 10 000 RL kids becoming 20 000. Same growth rate, but not the whole story. Hence using census data.

Manly when looking to play games on the sunshine coast looked long and hard at the area and decided it wasn't ready, and that was for just a few games. If the SC isn't good enough there is no way CQ is a go'er. The CQ bid team not long ago were saying they might have to split games between Rockhampton and the Sunny Coast to make the team viable because population is an issue, and that they would be happy to accept a relocated Sydney side.

Weigh that against the CC Bears and Perth Reds who have stadiums, sposorships, memberships, juniors, tv value, and huge population catchments ready to go now and it simply doesn't stack up. Good work by the CQ guys, commendable stuff, but they will have to wait, but it will be worth it in the end.

They need to look to the next expansion (along with Wellington and SE Qld bids). PNG won't be ready until 2015, so they will miss the 2013 TV deal window too.

Say it with such confidence!

Followed by your sig. >_<

 

[parano1a]

Geelong is a better option for a new NRL side in say 2020 once the Skilled Stadium has been redeveloped to a 40,000 multi-purpose venue with both oval and rectangular configurations... Victoria has a population of over 5 million, in the long term they can support 2 NRL sides.

 

[Goddo]

Say it with such confidence!

Followed by your sig. >_<

Its part of the sea captain persona. I have been thinking about changing it though. Should do a poll: Should Goddo get rid of the Sea Captain references in his Avatar and Sig?

On topic, what I have said is probably what the NRL will be thinking. Good work, but not ready, and there are places that are ready and waiting.

 

[fightingirish69]

Because Central QLD is a backwater sh*thole

cq has nowhere near the population of north queensland, the darling downs has more people i believe.
i've always thought the central queensland bid is a bit silly to be honest, [ the comets have never won the queensland cup, unlike burleigh [before the titans came in]
if the cq does get let in, how long till will get a carpenteria team?

 

[Alex28]

How on earth has this bid been allowed to go on for so long? They have no chance of success. Absolutely none. It's time the NRL tell them as such and put it to an end.

 

[Perth Red]

Maybe they are hoping an existing team might take a look and see potential for at least a few games a year there?

other than that I agree the NRL should have stepped in, then again when you have no blueprint for your future you can't be surprised at their lack of leadership.

 

[Simo]

However the NRL only wants bids that already have a stadium)

Really? Never knew that, why would that matter to the NRL, so long as a stadium is built e.g. the gold coast. Dont see how that would be an issue at all so long as the plan is to build one.

 

[Joker's Wild]

The GC had Carara secured for their inaugural year though. While it barely met the NRL standard, CQ has even less than that.

 

[Simo]

The GC had Carara secured for their inaugural year though. While it barely met the NRL standard, CQ has even less than that.

Sure but not my point exaclty, as long as a stadium will be built for a prospective team why does it matter if it is there whilst they are bidding or not? I dont believe the NRL actually wants prebuilt stadiums from each bidder, just a condition that one will be built when they are ready for admission (or they have to find a suitable alternative until its ready like the GC)

 

[Highway1]

^ exactly. No one is saying CQ don't deserve a team some time in the future. They simply won't be ready for a good 10-20 years to host an NRL side, even with massive population growth when you concider some of the alternatives. Thats why I put up population figures.

Population growth across Qld has been strong in all centres, so arguing an 80k town with 10% growth is more deserving than say Sunny Coast or Logan/Ipswich with 250-300k with 10% growth is a stupid argument.

Thats like AFL claiming 100% growth in Sydney from 4 kids to 8 compared to 10 000 RL kids becoming 20 000. Same growth rate, but not the whole story. Hence using census data.

Manly when looking to play games on the sunshine coast looked long and hard at the area and decided it wasn't ready, and that was for just a few games. If the SC isn't good enough there is no way CQ is a go'er. The CQ bid team not long ago were saying they might have to split games between Rockhampton and the Sunny Coast to make the team viable because population is an issue, and that they would be happy to accept a relocated Sydney side.

Weigh that against the CC Bears and Perth Reds who have stadiums, sposorships, memberships, juniors, tv value, and huge population catchments ready to go now and it simply doesn't stack up. Good work by the CQ guys, commendable stuff, but they will have to wait, but it will be worth it in the end.

They need to look to the next expansion (along with Wellington and SE Qld bids). PNG won't be ready until 2015, so they will miss the 2013 TV deal window too.

I've never heard the CQ bid team say that they need to split games to the sunshine coast and I look at CQ nrl articles quite a lot. Did you hear that from radio, tv or something?

 

[Highway1]

I know Red Hill well, and don't doubt that a South & West Logan & Ipswich team makes more sense, but if the best bid comes from Redcliffe-Sunshine Coast way, then the Broncs and their inner west base will push out back towards the South and West over the river.

Great to know that you Red Hill well. To be honest, I think the Redcliffe/ Sunshine Coast areas are much better off being Broncos territory, rather than forming an nrl team of their own, because the Broncos needs as much territory as possible, especially when the Titans are slowly taking over southern brisbane and with a small possibility of a Logan Ipswich team being admitted.

 

[Highway1]

Makes you wonder how much the NRL actually know about the bids. Until two weeks ago Gallop kept lumping us as the same chance as Adelaide!

Also of the 4 bids they are a clear 3rd. Pop size, desire for the next Q'land team to share Suncorp and be Brisbane2 and stadium facilities are all big hurdles for them. Like CC you kind of get the feeling that the NRL is hoping a Sydney team might be forced to relocate there in the next couple of decades so they will keep it open as long as possible.

No problems with sharing suncorp and its facilities, Tell union to piss off back to ballymore and its problem solved

 

[Highway1]

Will the Q'land Govt really stump up $200mill for a new stadium?

no freaking way, the Gov't is struggling to pay for basic sh*t like transport, health and education