Will Penisni development???

[the phantom menace]

Penisini is no Lyon, Vaeliki, Willie Tonga or Jennings.

But if he can be coached not to f**k up in defence and in attack, then he could steadily hold a spot in the 17 being a basic member of a squad that needs low level guys among a scattering of real talents.

 

[hindy111]

Penisini is no Lyon, Vaeliki, Willie Tonga or Jennings.

But if he can be coached not to f**k up in defence and in attack, then he could steadily hold a spot in the 17 being a basic member of a squad that needs low level guys among a scattering of real talents.

He isn't in their class but he is also more powerful then all of them.

 

[Sensei Cobra]

So we are apparently linked to Blake Wilson now … is it possible Will is squeezed out of the top 17. A fair bit up in the air for next year

Where do Lomax, iongi and gutho play ?
Will Gutho be here ?
How does Simonson fit ?
Will maika still be here ?
If wilson signs where does he fit ?

Point is I don’t think Will is a certain starter and his form this year is making th-at even less likely

 

[Matty Bhoy]

So we are apparently linked to Blake Wilson now … is it possible Will is squeezed out of the top 17. A fair bit up in the air for next year

Where do Lomax, iongi and gutho play ?
Will Gutho be here ?
How does Simonson fit ?
Will maika still be here ?
If wilson signs where does he fit ?

Point is I don’t think Will is a certain starter and his form this year is making th-at even less likely

I think Will starts.

7. Moses
6. Brown
5. Lomax
4. Gutho
3. Will
2. Shootout between Superman and Wilson
1. Iongi

 

[Pazza]

I wonder how will would go on the wing, got the potential to be a poor man's to'o

 

[JokerEel]

I wonder how will would go on the wing, got the potential to be a poor man's to'o

Can't take a bomb or jump

 

[JokerEel]

I think Will starts.

7. Moses
6. Brown
5. Lomax
4. Gutho
3. Will
2. Shootout between Superman and Wilson
1. Iongi

Round 1 2025 will be

Gutho
Iongi
Penisini
Lomax
Simmonson/Sivo/Russell/Tago
Brown
Moses

Can see Iongi starting on the wing and slowly transitioning into fullback for 26 as Gutho will be moved on.

 

[Pazza]

Can't take a bomb or jump

Would be an issue

 

[the phantom menace]

I also don't think Penisini is a guaranteed starter in our best 17 next year.

In order/value to the (future) squad of backs being squeezed out/released early, I thing this is the likely order of tapping:

Sivo - seems in progress
Penisni - has a PO for 2026
Gutho - on a lot, but will likely see out the contract next year in a different position
Russell - not on a lot, no real need to move him on early
Brown - will likely see out the last year of his (pre-PO) contract next year - no value to move him on early as we have no replacement ready

Other backs on our 2025 books are new signings, recent extensions, or contracted for longer.

 

[the phantom menace]

In terms of who plays where next season, a lot will be dependent on the above. But assuming Sivo's release is almost a done deal, my guess is we are working toward something like this during 2025.

1. Iongi - new singing, new style of play for new coach
2. Russell - final year of contract, Tago as the backup
3. Gutherson or Penisini - Gutho has to move positions... both are on final year of contract
4. Lomax - new signing, he's not going to just be a winger
5. Simonssen - recently extended
6. Brown - final year of contract
7. Moses

If Sivo leaves early, does that free up money for another decent backline signing for 2025 or 2026? Could that be how the Wilson rumour works...

If so, that means one of Gutho or Penisini could be surplus to our 2025 requirements, and so either might be likely to be tapped to consider an early start to their next contract elsewhere... potentially freeing up more money for future signings/retentions.

Penisini has the PO for 2026, so it's worth more to us to send him elsewhere early, and let captain Gutho see out his final year with us.

 

[Avenger]

In terms of who plays where next season, a lot will be dependent on the above. But assuming Sivo's release is almost a done deal, my guess is we are working toward something like this during 2025.

1. Iongi - new singing, new style of play for new coach
2. Russell - final year of contract, Tago as the backup
3. Gutherson or Penisini - Gutho has to move positions... both are on final year of contract
4. Lomax - new signing, he's not going to just be a winger
5. Simonssen - recently extended
6. Brown - final year of contract
7. Moses

If Sivo leaves early, does that free up money for another decent backline signing for 2025 or 2026? Could that be how the Wilson rumour works...

If so, that means one of Gutho or Penisini could be surplus to our 2025 requirements, and so either might be likely to be tapped to consider an early start to their next contract elsewhere... potentially freeing up more money for future signings/retentions.

Penisini has the PO for 2026, so it's worth more to us to send him elsewhere early, and let captain Gutho see out his final year with us.

Moses, Iongi, Wilson (hopefully), Lomax. To be honest I couldn’t care less about the rest.

Brown has been a headless chook this season and a one trick pony with a Neil Hunt sidestep. Compare Luai and what he’s done without Cleary. It’s clear who is the better player.

 

[Suitman]

Moses, Iongi, Wilson (hopefully), Lomax. To be honest I couldn’t care less about the rest.

Brown has been a headless chook this season and a one trick pony with a Neil Hunt sidestep. Compare Luai and what he’s done without Cleary. It’s clear who is the better player.

I agree. But compare both players to the teams they are playing in. Luai in the Eels squad would also be a headless chook, while Brown in the Panthers lineup would have carved up, no doubt.

 

[Pazza]

I worry about gutho at centre, hope he has a big offseason. Tough position to defend in

 

[Avenger]

I agree. But compare both players to the teams they are playing in. Luai in the Eels squad would also be a headless chook, while Brown in the Panthers lineup would have carved up, no doubt.

The way our forwards have fallen off a cliff in the space of 2 years is astonishing. It can be attributed to stale coaching, nothing else. They are not that old. The Sharks won a comp with an aging pack whilst ours have been so insipid they are competing for a spoon.

More heads must roll after this season, not just Arthur, his assistants and the trainer.

 

[eel01s]

Lomax must play wing imo, more valuable to us there.

 

[Sensei Cobra]

Lomax must play wing imo, more valuable to us there.

I think so too … the case for him to play wing is compelling.

 

[Sensei Cobra]

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The way our forwards have fallen off a cliff in the space of 2 years is astonishing. It can be attributed to stale coaching, nothing else. They are not that old. The Sharks won a comp with an aging pack whilst ours have been so insipid they are competing for a spoon.

More heads must roll after this season, not just Arthur, his assistants and the trainer.

while some squad turnover is needed you’d also think/hope our new coaching regime can get more out of a lot of our current crop. If Paulo, Brown et al can get back to their best form or something close we suddednly are in the hunt.

and yes it all can’t be BA’s fault

 

[hineyrulz]

Moses, Iongi, Wilson (hopefully), Lomax. To be honest I couldn’t care less about the rest.

Brown has been a headless chook this season and a one trick pony with a Neil Hunt sidestep. Compare Luai and what he’s done without Cleary. It’s clear who is the better player.

Cher is 4 years older and hasn’t played his entire career under a bald turnip.

I’m interested to see what Ryles can do with Brown, he was a much more natural playmaker at 18 and that says to me it’s all down to coaching. His attacking game is almost non existent these days.

 

[Suitman]

Cher is 4 years older and hasn’t played his entire career under a bald turnip.

I’m interested to see what Ryles can do with Brown, he was a much more natural playmaker at 18 and that says to me it’s all down to coaching. His attacking game is almost non existent these days.

Coaching.
Oh, and lack of resources. Don't ever forget that.

 

[Chipmunk]

I also don't think Penisini is a guaranteed starter in our best 17 next year.

In order/value to the (future) squad of backs being squeezed out/released early, I thing this is the likely order of tapping:

Sivo - seems in progress
Penisni - has a PO for 2026
Gutho - on a lot, but will likely see out the contract next year in a different position
Russell - not on a lot, no real need to move him on early
Brown - will likely see out the last year of his (pre-PO) contract next year - no value to move him on early as we have no replacement ready

Other backs on our 2025 books are new signings, recent extensions, or contracted for longer.

Who is paying Brown the same money he is on here to be the second fiddle play maker? He clearly showed this year he has f**k all ability to provide anything other than being a second fiddle player.