Wing out to launch bid for NSW No.7

[Freddy's Girl]

too harsh i think

the chooks made a big mistake letting wing go

yes he played better at hooker, but didnt go bad at half though

NSW dont have many standout choices. orford would be it but i think hell struggle this year without monaghan

under taylors coaching who knows how good wing will turn out. as an ex half back himself and a great coach, i think taylor will get the best out of wing

the guy is a very talented player

Your missing the point, yes fittler did have him in the halves in the last 8 weeks but he never played a halfbacks role, he always playing second reciever and hooker. Anasta was doing all the kicking and had a better passing game then him. It would be to risky to have wing as halfback for the blues. Someone like soward is better in the halves then wing.

Wing is a talented player I have no problem admiting that and the roosters will miss his experience. In saying that aubusson has talent and I'm sure he will do well.

 

[NthKnight]

if bird doesnt play 5/8h for the sharks, then how can he get it for nsw.

He wasnt playing 5/8 regularly for the Sharks in '07 yet they still selected him.

More to the point King didnt play wing for the Storm but got selected there, they have picked Barrett at 7 despite being the Dragons 5/8, Fittler in the centres but 5/8 and lock at club level, Johns at hooker, etc, etc, etc

They should be picking the best players for the team not nesessarily the best players for the position.

 

[KniGhTs BaTTLeR]

fittler was playing at 5/8th before wing was half though wasnt he, howd they go?

of the available candidates, wing stands a chance. im not saying hes favourite. but if he goes well at souths, why not?

hes won a GF, played origin and tests.

Who was the halfback for the Broncos in 06? We've been through this it means little. He played as a utility for Aus and NSW that's where he should stay it's where he is most effective.

 

[mxlegend99]

For 2008, i really don't mind what our team looks like, just so long as it doesn't have Jamie Lyon, i'll be happy.

My Origin side, based off form in 2007 mostly, would be:

1. Brett Stewart
2. Jarryd Hayne
3. Mark Gasnier
4. Michael Jennings
5. Eric Grothe Jr.
6. Todd Carney (he needs to be given his shot)
7. Matt Orford (lack of competition)
8. Joel Clinton
9. Robbie Farah
10. Brett White
11. Ryan Hoffman
12. Willie Mason
13. Greg Bird
14. Brent Kite
15. Anthony Laffranchi
16. Paul Gallen
17. Craig Wing
Anthony Minichello if he gets back to his best could force the backline to shuffle a bit.

Halfback could be contested by a number of players. ie. Peter Wallace may be a standout under Wayne Bennet. Jarrod Mullen could have a really strong season etc.

Front Row could have some competition from Luke Bailey and Mark O'Meley. Or even Willie Mason could play there yet again.

Second Row has about a thousand contenders. No matter who gets picked, we're going to have good players miss out.

Utility could go to Kurt Gidley, but i personally don't like the idea of such a small player as the backup. Craig Wing offers an option in the halves and forwards.

 

[NthKnight]

For 2008, i really don't mind what our team looks like, just so long as it doesn't have Jamie Lyon, i'll be happy.

My Origin side, based off form in 2007 mostly, would be:

1. Brett Stewart
2. Jarryd Hayne
3. Mark Gasnier
4. Michael Jennings
5. Eric Grothe Jr.
6. Todd Carney (he needs to be given his shot)
7. Matt Orford (lack of competition)
8. Joel Clinton
9. Robbie Farah
10. Brett White
11. Ryan Hoffman
12. Willie Mason
13. Greg Bird
14. Brent Kite
15. Anthony Laffranchi
16. Paul Gallen
17. Craig Wing
Anthony Minichello if he gets back to his best could force the backline to shuffle a bit.

Halfback could be contested by a number of players. ie. Peter Wallace may be a standout under Wayne Bennet. Jarrod Mullen could have a really strong season etc.

Front Row could have some competition from Luke Bailey and Mark O'Meley. Or even Willie Mason could play there yet again.

Second Row has about a thousand contenders. No matter who gets picked, we're going to have good players miss out.

Utility could go to Kurt Gidley, but i personally don't like the idea of such a small player as the backup. Craig Wing offers an option in the halves and forwards.

What the??!! Gidley is both taller and heavier than Wing but you say he's too small :crazy:

Another strong contender for a front row spot will be Ben Cross

 

[mxlegend99]

Gidley looks like a skinny bastard to me. His height is probably the reason for it. Didn't look at heights and weights. Just judged it off the way they looked on the field to me.

Mostly though, he doesn't play above his weight class the way Craig Wing does. If he has to cover hooker, he is way out of his depth.

IfBen Cross was in the calculations, i would've thought he would've gotten a spot in 2007. He was awesome for the Storm. He has a lot of mongrel in him, which is something that Brent Kite lacks IMO. I'd take Ben Cross over him any day. I only picked him in my team as he always seems to get picked regardless of being soft.

 

[NthKnight]

Gidley looks like a skinny bastard to me. His height is probably the reason for it. Didn't look at heights and weights. Just judged it off the way they looked on the field to me.

Mostly though, he doesn't play above his weight class the way Craig Wing does. If he has to cover hooker, he is way out of his depth.

IfBen Cross was in the calculations, i would've thought he would've gotten a spot in 2007. He was awesome for the Storm. He has a lot of mongrel in him, which is something that Brent Kite lacks IMO. I'd take Ben Cross over him any day. I only picked him in my team as he always seems to get picked regardless of being soft.

Wing is past his best and Gidley was in career best form last season and regularly mixes it up with the big fellas. Believe me, he can hold his own just as well if not better than Wing a ding.

You said at the start of your post that you picked the team on 07 form then just said that you only picked Kite based on the fact that he always gets selected despite his poor form. Kind of a contradiction aye :?

Clinton, Kite, White and Orford all had average 07s and do not deserve a spot based on that form. I would replace them with Cross, Bailey, Odonnell (based on 06 form) and Bird to 5/8 with Mullen or Carney to Halfback. Jennings is a wildcard but possibly a little too green

 

[dallymessenger]

Your missing the point, yes fittler did have him in the halves in the last 8 weeks but he never played a halfbacks role, he always playing second reciever and hooker. Anasta was doing all the kicking and had a better passing game then him. It would be to risky to have wing as halfback for the blues. Someone like soward is better in the halves then wing.

Wing is a talented player I have no problem admiting that and the roosters will miss his experience. In saying that aubusson has talent and I'm sure he will do well.

i was talking about his time at halfback in 2002, not last year. i didnt even know he plyaed in the halves last yr

 

[dallymessenger]

He wasnt playing 5/8 regularly for the Sharks in '07 yet they still selected him.

More to the point King didnt play wing for the Storm but got selected there, they have picked Barrett at 7 despite being the Dragons 5/8, Fittler in the centres but 5/8 and lock at club level, Johns at hooker, etc, etc, etc

They should be picking the best players for the team not nesessarily the best players for the position.

if bird is the best 5/8th in nsw and doesnt play for cronulla, then dont even bother with origin

changing winger / centres is one thing, but from lock to 5/8th?

and look who their up against - thurston & lockyer

 

[dallymessenger]

Who was the halfback for the Broncos in 06? We've been through this it means little. He played as a utility for Aus and NSW that's where he should stay it's where he is most effective.

perry had thurston, lockyer, cronk, tim smith and scott prince ahead of him

whose wing got ahead of him thats a standout?

 

[dallymessenger]

For 2008, i really don't mind what our team looks like, just so long as it doesn't have Jamie Lyon, i'll be happy.

My Origin side, based off form in 2007 mostly, would be:

1. Brett Stewart
2. Jarryd Hayne
3. Mark Gasnier
4. Michael Jennings
5. Eric Grothe Jr.
6. Todd Carney (he needs to be given his shot)
7. Matt Orford (lack of competition)
8. Joel Clinton
9. Robbie Farah
10. Brett White
11. Ryan Hoffman
12. Willie Mason
13. Greg Bird
14. Brent Kite
15. Anthony Laffranchi
16. Paul Gallen
17. Craig Wing
Anthony Minichello if he gets back to his best could force the backline to shuffle a bit.

Halfback could be contested by a number of players. ie. Peter Wallace may be a standout under Wayne Bennet. Jarrod Mullen could have a really strong season etc.

Front Row could have some competition from Luke Bailey and Mark O'Meley. Or even Willie Mason could play there yet again.

Second Row has about a thousand contenders. No matter who gets picked, we're going to have good players miss out.

Utility could go to Kurt Gidley, but i personally don't like the idea of such a small player as the backup. Craig Wing offers an option in the halves and forwards.

not a bad side.

though odonnell, and omeeley should be there too.(just saw you mentioned shrek) not bad side, just the halves stick out like dogs b**ls

 

[Freddy's Girl]

perry had thurston, lockyer, cronk, tim smith and scott prince ahead of him

whose wing got ahead of him thats a standout?

There are no standouts, its the reason why the blues have struggled in the last 2 yrs. In saying that though, other players have a better chance of making it then wing.

 

[The Camden Leisure Pirate]

1. Brett Stewart
2. Jarryd Hayne
3. Mark Gasnier
4. Michael Jennings
5. Eric Grothe Jr.
6. Todd Carney (he needs to be given his shot)
7. Matt Orford (lack of competition)
8. Joel Clinton
9. Robbie Farah
10. Brett White
11. Ryan Hoffman
12. Willie Mason
13. Greg Bird
14. Brent Kite
15. Anthony Laffranchi
16. Paul Gallen
17. Craig Wing

All I can say is thank f**k you are not a selector.

 

[NthKnight]

if bird is the best 5/8th in nsw and doesnt play for cronulla, then dont even bother with origin

changing winger / centres is one thing, but from lock to 5/8th?

and look who their up against - thurston & lockyer

So frikkin what. Bird had a great origin series last year and deseves to be given a shot this year despite where he plays for the Sharks, which in all likelyhood will be 5/8 anyway with the departure of Dykes.

 

[mxlegend99]

not a bad side.

though odonnell, and omeeley should be there too.(just saw you mentioned shrek) not bad side, just the halves stick out like dogs b**ls

Totally forgot about O'Donnell. It has been so long since he played. God i hope he comes back and is quick to hit his best.

All I can say is thank f**k you are not a selector.

The backs are pretty much the best they can be. Michael Jennings the only debateable selection. But Jarryd Haynes awesome debut proves we should give a few more young guys a shot.
The forwards are pretty hard to get wrong with so many options that are all good.
The halves are average, but that's thanks to lack of options.

The utility spot and halves are about the only really debateable spots. Unless you want to throw the likes of Matt Cooper, Jamie Lyon etc. back into the team and cripple our attack yet again.

 

[dallymessenger]

So frikkin what. Bird had a great origin series last year and deseves to be given a shot this year despite where he plays for the Sharks, which in all likelyhood will be 5/8 anyway with the departure of Dykes.

seymore, and some other young kid as well.

and didnt bird only play one game.

yes hes an option, but no certainty.

especially if anasta does play well a5/8th. hes a real 5/8th

 

[Raider_69]

NSW should look to give Ben Cross a go, White and Kite were well and truely out played last year, Cross is was made for Origin footy, ive said that for years. He's that type of player, give him the big stage, against the big boys, in a firey match and none will be more up for the occasion then Ben Cross.

 

[dallymessenger]

Totally forgot about O'Donnell. It has been so long since he played. God i hope he comes back and is quick to hit his best.


The backs are pretty much the best they can be. Michael Jennings the only debateable selection. But Jarryd Haynes awesome debut proves we should give a few more young guys a shot.
The forwards are pretty hard to get wrong with so many options that are all good.
The halves are average, but that's thanks to lack of options.

The utility spot and halves are about the only really debateable spots. Unless you want to throw the likes of Matt Cooper, Jamie Lyon etc. back into the team and cripple our attack yet again.

gorthe, jennings and clinton wont be there.

the rest should be or will go close.

lyon and cooper for grothe and jennings, or minichello back on the wing if hes fit

omeel for kite, odonell for lafranchie and i think thats a great side.

only issue is the halves :

if they went kimmorley and anasta i think their experience will carry them, especially with the rest of the team looking good.

i cant stand him but kimmorley has looked a much better player under ricky stuarts coaching and anasta looked good when freddy took over

 

[The Engineers Room]

seymore, and some other young kid as well.

Blake Green

 

[mxlegend99]

gorthe, jennings and clinton wont be there.
lyon and cooper for grothe and jennings, or minichello back on the wing if hes fit

Joel Clinton will be an improved player in 2008. With his natural aggression ontop of Wayne Bennet to improve his discipline, he should be one of the best front rowers for NSW. Plus being a Bronco will most likely help him for playing rep footy.

Lyon and Cooper are overrated. Jame Lyon moreso. Matt Cooper is still a good defensive centre. But he hasn't been effective in origin lately. He was responsible for blowing about 3 tries last Origin series. I honestly don't think he will get the boot from origin though. He gets a free pass thanks to Mark Gasnier.

IMO, Eric Grothe is an animal. He can have average form a club level. But he is aggressive and built for rep games. We need someone like him up against the likes of Israel Folau. Grothe and Hayne on the wings offer the size and aggression we need, without losing the pace.

As for Michael Jennings, he will continue to improve the youth and spark of our backline. We need to get over picking guys for experience, and continue creating the next batch of Origin stars. Brett Stewart and Jarryd Hayne completely changed the NSW backline in 2007.