WWE SuperThread *Spoilers*

[Misanthrope]

The thing is, there are two ways this will go:

- The predictable outcome of Triple H losing because, let's face it, it would be booking stupidity to have Triple H end the streak.
- Triple H ends the streak and everybody is furious.

Since I can't see even an egomaniac like Triple H being foolish enough to spoil Taker's legacy just for a feather in a cap that largely hangs on the hat-rack these days, the result is a foregone conclusion. At least Trips was still wrestling regularly last year.

It's a moot point. The match is happening and there's nobody who had the work done to get them to a place where they'd have been a viable threat. It's just a shame, because I'd love to see the Streak being utilized on younger talent. It's basically been the playground of the old guard for a while now.

This is classic HHH, doing the job without really doing the job.

Quoted for truth.

 

[Big Pete]

Ideally Taker would have been on the sidelines and your three big matches would be Cena/Rock, HHH/Punk & Henry/Bryan with a bunch of undercard matches. Unfortunately, the booking at and following SummerSlam was diabolical.

In a lot of ways, I'd say they've salvaged the card, but Taker/HHH the sequel (WM 17 never happened) was always the plan.

 

[Misanthrope]

I'd have liked that card, although Bryan/Jericho or Bryan/Sheamus are much more appealing options than Bryan/Henry.

And Punk had better have gone over :lol:

 

[Big Pete]

Those would have been better in-ring contests but the story wouldn't have been as strong as Bryan beating the invincible Henry.

But it just goes to show how some things in a way work out for the better.

It's a tough game booking wrestling for a mass audience and while it's easy to critique and say in hindsight how silly certain ideas were fans need to remember the WWE produces something like 200+ episodes a year (not including recap shows, house shows or history shows) of a show that's meant to be live theatre, simulated sport, television drama for a family audience. It's difficult to cater to every single demographic on a weekly basis.

This interview with Punk really puts things into perspective...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ik6VvbXND8

 

[WYD]

Ideally Taker would have been on the sidelines and your three big matches would be Cena/Rock, HHH/Punk & Henry/Bryan with a bunch of undercard matches. Unfortunately, the booking at and following SummerSlam was diabolical.

In a lot of ways, I'd say they've salvaged the card, but Taker/HHH the sequel (WM 17 never happened) was always the plan.

I like your card, this could have been a huge Wrestlemania if done right.

I'm Assuming HHH and Henry go in as the champs. HHH screws Punk out of the title, Punk wins the rumble to get the rematch. Henry's hall of pain run is still going strong, whilst Bryan is being built as a Cinderella story.

Although, Barrett helped bury Taker, literally. If he had gone over in a feud against Orton he would have been in good shape for a match. I would have been more interested in that than a rematch from last year.

That's a pretty great card, and you've still got a stack of talent to work with.

 

[Misanthrope]

Although, Barrett helped bury Taker, literally. If he had gone over in a feud against Orton he would have been in good shape for a match. I would have been more interested in that than a rematch from last year.

Barrett didn't go over in that feud? Seemed to me that he put Orton on the shelf, Orton got some revenge in the Rumble, and they forgot about it.

 

[Big Pete]

Yeah that would be the skeleton of the feud.

You could throw Barrett at Taker, but either it would require a lot of retcons or Barrett would have to step his game up considerably.

In hindsight, they should have elevated more talent @ WM27. They already had Cena/Miz, Orton/Punk, ADR/Edge & Mysterio/Rhodes but you could have split HHH/Taker and have them face Sheamus & Barrett respectively and it wouldn't have hurt the show at all if built properly.

Mis - Orton beat Barrett in the final match on tv prior to Elimination Chamber.

 

[Bulldog Force]

Just on Cena, whether he wins or not, regardless of what happens at WM, he will never be as great at the Rock was. Put both in their prime, and you'll have your answer, and let's keep in mind the Rocky was competing against the likes of Stone Cold in the attitude era for fan numbers... who does Cena need to compete with? Punk? Orton? Big whoop! He will never be the rocks asshole!

 

[Valheru]

No, Taker being stretched out and humbled despite pulling off a fluke victory certainly did.

Taker is supposed to be the monster of the WWE, the guy who stands tall after every show and he's never been portrayed weaker in any match. A rematch was always going to eventuate. Would this storyline be strong enough to headline a Wrestlemania? No, but as a preliminary match, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Sorry Pete but the storyline just doesn’t hold up. As I have said before, I have no problem with the re-match but there were better ways to go about it i.e. HHH wanting revenge (would make much more sense), either man wanting to see who is king of HIAC etc. undertaker wanting “revenge” for a win despite how much of a beaten he may have taken just doesn’t make sense.

Sure there is. It's wasting one of the few remaining Undertaker matches on a guy who has essentially retired.

Disagree with this. HHH is the perfect candidate because he is a well established megastar and he loses nothing by doing the job to Undertaker. Every single other name on the roster other than Cena (who I believe will be next in line if Taker continues) and possibly Orton would have all momentum ruined by being beaten by Taker at WM. Your earlier suggestion of Rhodes as an opponent would be a disaster, he needs (and deserves) a solid WM win at this stage of his career.

 

[Big Pete]

The problem with doing the whole HHH wanting revenge angle...is that you're essentially copying the Shawn Michaels build-up. They're already shaving it close enough as it is to go down that road. The HiaC angle is also really hokey.

And it does make sense for his character. If it was anybody else, I'd understand but this makes perfect sense for the Taker character.

The problem is, some people just don't care for his character. Which is fine, he's been going off his reputation for 8 years now and the same Taker story seems to play out. Blank attacks Taker and puts him out for x amount of time. Blank is on a roll until a gong sounds and Taker appears. Taker plays mind games with Blank for weeks leading up to a Hell in a Cell/Casket/Last Ride/Inferno/Buried Alive match, Blank accepts and loses.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[Misanthrope]

Just on Cena, whether he wins or not, regardless of what happens at WM, he will never be as great at the Rock was. Put both in their prime, and you'll have your answer, and let's keep in mind the Rocky was competing against the likes of Stone Cold in the attitude era for fan numbers... who does Cena need to compete with? Punk? Orton? Big whoop! He will never be the rocks asshole!

The lack of other stars is perhaps an indication of just how good Cena is. He's carrying the company on his own back. Probably the only 'household name' amongst non fans that the company has these days.

Every single other name on the roster other than Cena (who I believe will be next in line if Taker continues) and possibly Orton would have all momentum ruined by being beaten by Taker at WM.

Not accurate at all. You can gain a lot from a loss. If it had been a Barrett or a Rhodes pushing Undertaker to the very limit at Wrestlemania last year, it would have been a huge rub for them.

 

[Big Pete]

CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan III kicking off Raw.

Spoke too soon, here comes Jericho.

 

[Misanthrope]

Great promo between Jericho and Punk.

We're in for a real treat this year at Mania. Hell in a Cell will be brutal, Cena/Rock will have an electric atmosphere, and Punk/Jericho may be one of the best matches we'll ever see if they're given some time.

Even Bryan/Sheamus has the potential to be something special. Sheamus is one of the better big men, and Bryan can make virtually anybody look like a million bucks.

 

[Valheru]

Not accurate at all. You can gain a lot from a loss. If it had been a Barrett or a Rhodes pushing Undertaker to the very limit at Wrestlemania last year, it would have been a huge rub for them.

I can’t agree with the above.

The only person I can think of who solidified his spot on the roster and truly benefited from a WM feud with Undertaker is Randy Orton and he was already a world champ prior to that and he had a 10 month feud (on and off) following that with undertaker in which he won 2 matches.

Everybody else was either a main eventer prior to the feud or a mid/upper mid carder who was fed to Undertaker.

 

[Misanthrope]

I can’t agree with the above.

The only person I can think of who solidified his spot on the roster and truly benefited from a WM feud with Undertaker is Randy Orton and he was already a world champ prior to that and he had a 10 month feud (on and off) following that with undertaker in which he won 2 matches.

Everybody else was either a main eventer prior to the feud or a mid/upper mid carder who was fed to Undertaker.

And that comes down to how the match is booked. Entirely possible to make a loser look good.

See John Cena's debut, for example.

 

[Big Pete]

Rock made one good point in that entire promo - Cena might be fighting for the people in the back, but The Rock is fighting for everyone in the audience.

Apart from that...WTF was that s**t?!

 

[Misanthrope]

As they said on 411 Mania, Cena did more in his two minutes out there than Rocky did in twenty minutes.

You've got to wonder how much of this is shoot. Cena went for the jugular.

 

[Big Pete]

Tattoo or was Cena right?

 

[Misanthrope]

Cena was right. Notes on his arm. Probably written by Vince to ensure maximum trendage.

 

[azzah72]

I think Cena legit owned Rock tonight and literally pissed him off with the "shoot".

Cena came out on top imo.