Ye Shewen

[butchmcdick]

I guess you guys didn't watch the foxtel coverage of the swimming where Bec said that she had been shitcanned in Australia for suggesting that Shewen was a drug cheat but now others are coming out and saying the same thing.

Was a pretty childish na na na na moment

 

[Karl]

Karl do us a favour and use your occams razor on your red neck you try hard fool.

I'll actually take notice of the opinion of a bloke like John Leonard, the executive director of the World Swimming Coaches Association, before an antagonistic know-nothing like you AG.

And he's not the only one, among people who know what they're talking about. "Leonard, who has been executive director of the WSCA since 1989, claimed that the consensus in the coaching community was that the swim was ?unbelievable?. He said: ?I use that word in its precise meaning. At this point it is not believable to many people.?

From The Australian:

Six weeks ago, a 16-year-old former team-mate of Ye's, Li Zhesi, tested positive for erythropoeitin (EPO), the blood-booster. The case was announced by the China Anti-Doping Agency (Chinada), which cited "an out-of-competition test carried out on March 31". No suspension has yet been announced nor was FINA, the international federation, aware of the case when asked about it yesterday.

But for the ban, Li would most surely have been here. She turned 13 the day before her home Games got under way in Beijing in 2008. A year later, at 14, she became a world champion as a member of the China women's 4x100 metres medley quartet.

Put Li together with Ye's freakish performance against the backdrop of a doping-soaked 1990s, during which Chinese swimmers produced more than 40 positive steroid tests, and it is clear why questions are being asked.

Its all a matter of opinion and speculation, but the opinions come from people who know their shit and the speculation is pretty well founded. Its all well and good to jump to her defense on principles, and she is being afforded all such benefits, but failing to question the situation when there are so many good reasons to do so would be ridiculous.

Like I said, it'll be interesting to see how things pan out and how she goes in the future.

 

[Shorty]

People need to do some research on energy systems and in general, how the human body reacts to explosive power.
A lot of people aren't suspect because of her being Chinese, that finish was massive.....it's more of a characteristic that you see in the men's swimming.

 

[ozbash]

People need to do some research on energy systems and in general, how the human body reacts to explosive power.
A lot of people aren't suspect because of her being Chinese, that finish was massive.....it's more of a characteristic that you see in the men's swimming.

Testosterone ?

 

[Different kind of Rabbit]

Love the racism calls in this thread.

Fact of the matter is, if the Chinese swim team didn't systematically dope its athletes and break the rules back in the 90's then nothing gets said about Ye Shewen today.

Sure, athletes from other countries have been caught at previous games but those athletes weren't acting on an official sanction at the time. They were personally cheating the system off their own bat and only a handful of others would have known about it.

As for saying that no one suspects the likes of Michael Phelps or Steph Rice... Both of those athletes have come and continue to come under scrutiny. Any athlete who performs exceptionally nowadays is called into question and any Chinese athlete, moreso because of those that have preceded them.

 

[Cletus]

you dont like facts much do you

1 05 YE Shiwen 4:28.43 WR

http://www.london2012.com/swimming/event/women-400m-individual-medley/index.html

That was my point, she's the only woman to create a new world record without the suits.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Just on the whole Chinese swim team - other than Ye Shewin no other female swimmer has set the world on fire at these Olympics yet apparently there is a government sanctioned systematic drug program afoot.

Obviously the Chinese government have selected only Shiwen for their drug testing experiments...and just to deprive Australian & US swimmers from their rightful gold medals....

Its a conspiracy I tells ya....:crazy:

 

[Mr Angry]

Again hope I have seen a clean unique event.

The female gold out swimming the male gold in the last leg of any race.....

Pretty rare hope it is good.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Again hope I have seen a clean unique event.

The female gold out swimming the male gold in the last leg of any race.....

Pretty rare hope it is good.

The male who had the event sewn up and was beaten by half his own field over the last leg, and by one rival by 1.3 seconds....

 

[Mr Angry]

I also still dont get why she did swim the freestyle.

58s

Wow.

 

[Mr Angry]

The male who had the event sewn up and was beaten by half his own field over the last leg, and by one rival by 1.3 seconds....

So has been seen before in an olympic final.........

Not unique.

 

[BuffaloRules]

I also still dont get why she did swim the freestyle.

58s

Wow.

I agree... I feel cheated that we are not seeing more of this athlete....

She could have been the Phelps of 2012....

 

[Matt23]

Why is it when a Chinese person breaks a record "they must be on drugs" but when an American does it there proclaimed "the greatest ever" :roll:

 

[some11]

Why is it when a Chinese person breaks a record "they must be on drugs" but when an American does it there proclaimed "the greatest ever" :roll:

Because shes a 16 year old girl from a country with a history of doping.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Why is it when a Chinese person breaks a record "they must be on drugs" but when an American does it there proclaimed "the greatest ever" :roll:

History , plain and simple.

 

[Matt23]

To be fair so do the Americans, Marion Jones etc, and has anybody gotten anywhere near Flo Jo's record yet?

 

[herbert henry1908]

To be fair so do the Americans, Marion Jones etc, and has anybody gotten anywhere near Flo Jo's record yet?

It's completely different.

Every country has some dopers.

But the Chinese had 20 or so women swimmers test positive in the 90s.

Other than the east Germans I can't think of anything similar.

 

[veggiepatch1959]

Innocent until proven guilty. As with Bolt four years ago, the cynics will always be out whenever someone pulls out such extraordinary responses.



How about this Uate? Big, strong and fast, but the Knights were doping 15 years ago so he must be suss too...

How's Rodney Howe these days? The Storm have been systematically cheaters throughout their NRL history.

 

[BuffaloRules]

It's completely different.

Every country has some dopers.

But the Chinese had 20 or so women swimmers test positive in the 90s.

Other than the east Germans I can't think of anything similar.

There would have at least been 20 Americans track and field atheletes( perhaps many more) who failed drug tests in the 80s and 90's...

 

[Frank_Grimes]

There would have at least been 20 Americans track and field atheletes( perhaps many more) who failed drug tests in the 80s and 90's...

The difference is that the US never had a proven government sponsored doping program in place.

It's the price one pays for representing a nation that has been proven to systemically cheat in the past - any great achievements or steps forward will have that doubt cast over them.