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Ye Shewen

some11

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I wont be surprised when we find a new version of "The Clear" a couple of years down the track.
 

Shorty

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Honestly people have a right to be suss, with China's history and the fact that she bloody rivaled a male's swim time (the fastest ones mind you!).

In saying that, China had the Olympics previously and that always gives the country's athletes a leg up.
China has been dominating everywhere not just in swimming and it's from Beijing.
 

Cletus

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Hang on ? that Stephanie Rice IM progression in 2008 is coincides nicely with the start of the FastSuit era of swimming between February 08 and 2010.

Take your racist facts and f**k off!


I'd also like to point out no female swimmer has set a new world record since the suits were banned.
 

BuffaloRules

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She did the total 100m just slower than Lochte but the final 50 faster.

Thats my point - she didnt swim quicker than Lochte over a 100m...

The fact that Lochte had the race in the bag by the last 50 is irrelevant I suppose...
 

BuffaloRules

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Aren't they keeping olympic medalists blood on file for 10 years now ?

Lets hope that if anyone is guilty the authorities catch up with them.

8 years apparently...

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8502761

During the games, which run until August 12, the top five finishers - plus two other athletes chosen at random - will be tested.
Athletes are also subject to surprise out-of-competition controls at any time and any place.
Samples will again be saved for eight years to allow for retroactive testing.
 

byrne_rovelli_fan82

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So is the modern era of sport only concerned with making assumptions every moment of greatness is deemed by cheaters? What is wrong with us these days? We don't seem willing to accept greatness for what it is anymore. Yes China's history has hurt them in the past but why use & bring up the past just because they do something special? It irks me most westerners think that way all the time. As a born and bred Asian person myself I don't stand for the assumptions made about us one bit because its unfair judgement and she deserves credit where credit's due and until anything else proves wrong those 'critics' should shut it and go suck on their own losses!
 

Mr Angry

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Well I hope the kid is clean and I have seen one of the best swims ever.

Suprised she does not do freestyle individually.

I don't appologise for one second for remembering the drug cheating record of the Chinese swim team

Is is those officials who should appologise for ruining the swim teams reputation..
 

Mr Angry

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Whats with the Asian bit?

It is China only. Don't see people questioning the Japanese or South Korean champions who have been dominate in the last decade.

China only, swimming only, due to decades of cheating, particually females.

Nobody questions thier divers, class above.
 
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Danish

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China does not need drugs to dominate as they have 2 things now which let them dominate.

A population of 1 billion people and now massive amounts of Money to spend.

They hire the best international swimming coaches.

2 Australian coaches have defended the swimmer already.

The more money you spend.. the more gold medals you will win.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/london...-faster-than-men/story-fndpu6dv-1226438946789


Money to burn and strict training regiments can't overcome genetics.

Look at India. Just as many people as China, and more than enough money in the country to fund an olympic program but they don't win shit because their physique does not lend itself to physical sports.

The Asian body type makes for good gymnasts, or lightweight strength (the tiny weight classes in the weightlifting for example). It does not lend itself to athletics, and throughout history has not been any good at swimming in the past without pumping their athletes with drugs.

Take a look at track and field if you want further proof that all the money in the world doesn't buy success. The US would spend more money on athletics than all other nations in the world combined, yet the sprinting medals will be dominated by a tiny island nation with zero economy, and poverty stricken 3rd world nations in the distance running.

The few Olympic track champions the US has produced on the track in the last 3 olympics have almost all later turned out to be drug cheats (which is the way rich nations conquer genetics... in the lab).
 

Karl

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So is the modern era of sport only concerned with making assumptions 1. every moment of greatness is deemed by cheaters? What is wrong with us these days? We don't seem willing to accept greatness for what it is anymore. Yes China's history has hurt them in the past but 2. why use & bring up the past just because they do something special? It irks me 3. most westerners think that way all the time. As a born and bred Asian person myself I don't stand for the assumptions made about us one bit because its unfair judgement and she deserves credit where credit's due and until anything else proves wrong those 'critics' should shut it and go suck on their own losses!

1. Not every moment, just this one very suspect moment where a slip of a 16 year old girl swam a final leg faster than an elite male swimmer who in turn beat the greatest swimmer of all time.

2. The past, particularly with unrepentant repeat offenders, is an excellent predictor of future behaviour. That's why its brought up. That and Occam's Razor. You tell me what the simplest explanation is for Ye's inexplicable feats of power and endurance.

3. Most Westerners think that way hey. Who's making racial generalisations now then? Hypocrite. The difference is - no-one here is making any generalisations about Asians, they are making informed and educated guesses at specific conduct by a specific group of athletes and administrators from one particular country in one particular sport. And they have a good, objective and reasonable basis for the speculation.

I'll watch with interest a few things - how seriously the IOC actually look into the swim and the athlete and the squad, how much they are intimidated by the Chinese playing the race card and flexing their influence muscles, how Ye continues to perform now that the spotlight is on her with suspicion of doping making it even more difficult to dodge the killer bullet test, how open the Chinese are in terms of co-operation etc, and what happens in the future as current samples get tested with better and more targeted tests looking at things the testing bodies don't know about yet but which will come to light in due time.
 

Thomas

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Thats my point - she didnt swim quicker than Lochte over a 100m...

The fact that Lochte had the race in the bag by the last 50 is irrelevant I suppose...

She didn't swim quicker than him over the 100m but wasn't far behind. No woman has gone faster than 1:01 for the final 100m in history. She did it in 58 seconds. Lochte only slightly quicker.

Lochte didn't have the race in the bag by the last 50m and I very much doubt he was easing off.
 

BuffaloRules

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She didn't swim quicker than him over the 100m but wasn't far behind. No woman has gone faster than 1:01 for the final 100m in history. She did it in 58 seconds. Lochte only slightly quicker.

Lochte didn't have the race in the bag by the last 50m and I very much doubt he was easing off.

Well, 4 of the other men in the final beat him over the last 50m...

One guy swam 27.87 for the last 50m - more than a second quicker than Lochte...

Also - 7 of the 8 finalists in the Mens 400m freestyle swam considerably faster than Lochte over the last 50m....
 
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Patorick

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China has a billion people to choose from... and now they money to spend on the swimmers..

they are going to produce world record swimmers...`

Samples are taken and stored....

what happen to innocent till proven guilty
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AlwaysGreen

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Just on the whole Chinese swim team - other than Ye Shewin no other female swimmer has set the world on fire at these Olympics yet apparently there is a government sanctioned systematic drug program afoot.

Maybe Mr occams razor and company Shewin is just an exceptional athlete like Michael Phelps. He's won 19 medals including 15 gold from a country known for its past drug use in other sports but he is deservedly judged as a great athlete.
 

kmav23

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Money to burn and strict training regiments can't overcome genetics.

Look at India. Just as many people as China, and more than enough money in the country to fund an olympic program but they don't win shit because their physique does not lend itself to physical sports.

The Asian body type makes for good gymnasts, or lightweight strength (the tiny weight classes in the weightlifting for example). It does not lend itself to athletics, and throughout history has not been any good at swimming in the past without pumping their athletes with drugs.

Take a look at track and field if you want further proof that all the money in the world doesn't buy success. The US would spend more money on athletics than all other nations in the world combined, yet the sprinting medals will be dominated by a tiny island nation with zero economy, and poverty stricken 3rd world nations in the distance running.

The few Olympic track champions the US has produced on the track in the last 3 olympics have almost all later turned out to be drug cheats (which is the way rich nations conquer genetics... in the lab).

Lol you have no idea. have you been to ..China its decades ahead in infrastructure and sports...to India

Asian body cant do well in swimming ?

lol..Japan and korea have won medals for years....

there are not many poor nations doing well in swimming cause you need swimming pools..and infrastructure...
 

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