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You know what really rustles my jimmies

MSIH

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Even by the second definition, there is still a shitload of bugs and lizards and things that all have sound receptors in a forest. There would never be a tree falling where absolutely nothing heard it.

What if there was a storm and a crack of lightning hit right next to the tree as it was falling, thereby drowning out any possible sound the tree was making as it fell?
 

9701

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What if there was a storm and a crack of lightning hit right next to the tree as it was falling, thereby drowning out any possible sound the tree was making as it fell?

Salary cap cheating merkin in the forest.
 

Apey

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I believe it is more to do with knowing something instinctively without having any proof, not the physics of sound.

It's not that the concept is not worth thinking about philosophically, it's that it's a poor hypothetical for that purpose.

What we know from science ensures that the specific question is ultimately redundant.

It is a fact that it makes a sound if you're using the first definition. Human or life's presence has absolutely no bearing on this. The forces involved don't cease to operate because no living thing is present.

Your grammar makes me rage so much I want to kill 1000 kittens myself...

I do it on purpose out of laziness. :cool:

What if there was a storm and a crack of lightning hit right next to the tree as it was falling, thereby drowning out any possible sound the tree was making as it fell?

It still makes a sound.
 

BDR

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If you use strict logic when thinking about a koan you are doing it wrong.

The ultimate question is: does the unobserved still exist? There's no way for you to answer that question with evidence gleaned from your own experience.
 
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Apey

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I'd say a koan that leaves itself open to being logically and/or scientifically deduced is doing it wrong, tbh. That was part of my point before though, there are philosophical questions that don't leave themselves open, I think the tree one in particular is silly because it does.

"Does the unobserved still exist?" is better but it's still easy to mess with. eg. The Earth has been rotating on its axis for billions of years, long before anything capable of observing it even existed. That is something that existed at the time, unobserved.

Of course, this is really just semantics, seeing as I do know and understand the true purpose of these questions. I just enjoy being difficult. My mind is very much a scientific one rather than a philosophical one.
 
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BDR

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People who are "pro body acceptance" but will post shit on their facebook like "REAL WOMEN HAVE CURVES, BONES ARE FOR DOGS!"

What they really meant is acceptance of their own flabby bodies.
 

BDR

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Being fat is ok, being a hypocritical self-righteous merkin (who is also fat) is not.
 

Jason Maher

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When I go to the hospital and they can't find a vein in my arm, so they use a vein in the back of my hand instead to take blood. f**king kills.
 

Dragon2010

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I've had blood taken from my hands tons of times. It hurts a bit. Most painful place is the foot. I had to get blood taken from there once as it was post surgery and I was not able to move arm (Risk of busting the incisions). Far-out was it painful...
 

IanG

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They wouldn't know what Old School was. As it is I feel old school when a radio station calls a song that came out when I was in High School and calling it Old School.
 
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