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You know what really rustles my jimmies

Ozzy

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I'd shoot Hitler before I'd shoot my dog. Pretty simple choice actually. In fact there would probably be many millions of people I would kill before my dog. My dog was loyal and never hurt anyone. There are humans out there who have bashed a baby's head against a rock because it wouldn't stop crying. That said, there are very few people that I know that I'd put my dog's life before them, but extending that to all human beings no way. The only thing that putting an evil person's life over my dog's would accomplish is me giving them another chance to kill by letting them live.

I think if you'd choose Hitler or Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer or General Butt Naked or Stalin or any number of psychopathic mass murderers who have done nothing to humanity but mutilate it over an innocent dog then you are evil or at least very stupid.
Would you shoot them before the events (when you didn't know what they were about to do) or after the events (when it wouldn't make a difference)?
 

Drew-Sta

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I just find humour in people with 20/20 hindsight. :)

For sure, which is why the whole argument is flawed before it can even be discussed. Unless you can accurately foretell the future, there's no way you can even justify the 'do you kill Hitler before 1935?'

Secondly, even if you do kill him before 1935, what has he done? At that point, he's an innocent man. Ergo, you're killing an innocent man.

Its an impossible argument to justify because hindsight tells us what happens after 1935. If we knew then what we knew now, would you drop the bomb? Would you let Pearl Harbour get bombed? Would JFK drive in an open top car? Would you sink the Lusitania? Would the Titanic take that route?

On and on and on and on. It's as irremovable as 'if a tree falls in the forest and noone is around does it make a sound'...
 

Jason Maher

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Depends how you define "sound": is sound a pressure wave moving through a medium, or does it only become sound after it has been interpreted by a brain/mind in response to the vibration it induces in a membrane?
 

Drew-Sta

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Depends how you define "sound": is sound a pressure wave moving through a medium, or does it only become sound after it has been interpreted by a brain/mind in response to the vibration it induces in a membrane?

Oh f**k, what have I started :lol::crazy::sarcasm:
 

Apey

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I don't see how people can claim it as a philosophical question at all.

The answer pretty much just relies on what definition of sound you are using.

Most common definition of sound is JM's first one, which is what I base my yes response on. If you use the second definition, then the answer is no.
 

Apey

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Oh and to go off topic by going on topic...

What really rustles my jimmies...

tinnitus flaring up. I would kill a 1000 kittens to get rid of it. Rage.
 

BDR

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I don't see how people can claim it as a philosophical question at all.

The answer pretty much just relies on what definition of sound you are using.

Most common definition of sound is JM's first one, which is what I base my yes response on. If you use the second definition, then the answer is no.

I believe it is more to do with knowing something instinctively without having any proof, not the physics of sound.
 

Jason Maher

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Oh and to go off topic by going on topic...

What really rustles my jimmies...

tinnitus flaring up. I would kill a 1000 kittens to get rid of it. Rage.

Your grammar makes me rage so much I want to kill 1000 kittens myself...
 

afinalsin666

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I don't see how people can claim it as a philosophical question at all.

The answer pretty much just relies on what definition of sound you are using.

Most common definition of sound is JM's first one, which is what I base my yes response on. If you use the second definition, then the answer is no.

Even by the second definition, there is still a shitload of bugs and lizards and things that all have sound receptors in a forest. There would never be a tree falling where absolutely nothing heard it.
 
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