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"Wests Tigers are most vulnerable"

This Year?

Immortal
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Anyone that wishes a club to fold is just a f**kwit, All clubs go through good times and bad. The NRL shows no loyalty to clubs that made the game what it is. It's bad enough clubs had to merge to accommodate new clubs let alone this. We may as well just kill most clubs off and let Brisbane play Melbourne every week.
 

Danish

Referee
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Why are the tigers so committed to concord as a training base? Seems so much more upside to being based at Campbelltown. Is it just so the Balmain fans don't get annoyed?

If you are a player, you generally try to live somewhere close to your home base.

Would you rather be living in Campbelltown or concord?
 

The Great Dane

First Grade
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Anyone that wishes a club to fold is just a f**kwit, All clubs go through good times and bad. The NRL shows no loyalty to clubs that made the game what it is.

The game made the clubs famous not the other way round.

It's bad enough clubs had to merge to accommodate new clubs let alone this. We may as well just kill most clubs off and let Brisbane play Melbourne every week.

When did that happen!?

I can't remember any clubs merging to accommodate new clubs ever in the history of Australian RL,
I can however remember new clubs being sacrificed left right and centre so that Melbourne could be introduce and as many Sydney clubs could be accommodated as possible.

Apart from the Rabbitohs not one Sydeny club was cut after the SL war (and even they eventually made their way back into the competition), they all continued in the competition in some form or another, obviously the Bears died eventually but they weren't cut.

The Reds, Rams, Chargers, Crushers, and Mariners (though the Mariners were no loss) were all cut or forced to close, and the Warriors were going to be cut before they were saved at the last minute by a rich benefactor (and even then he only saved the brand not the club it's self), so frankly who was accommodating who!?

And yes you can point out that the Rams and Mariners were sacrificed by News to introduce the Storm, and that the Crushers were effectively murdered by the Broncos, which is all true, but even so the NRL had the power to save them if they really wanted to and chose not to so they could save as many of the Sydney clubs as possible (specifically the ones that were loyal to the ARL).

That decision to sacrifice the Rams, Reds, and Crushers because of politics is the biggest mistake in Australian Rugby League history.
 

Brutus

Referee
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I notice Paul Kent is now keen for expansion to Perth and Adelaide. This time last year he was dead against it. All of a sudden the Telecrap is pro-expansion. Interesting.

We should have had an 18 team comp by now with Perth and a 2nd Brisbane team.

A game every weekend at Suncorp is a must and like I said earlier, the time is now to strike with the Reds and Lions struggling. If the Perth yawnion team gets kicked out then it's only logical that rugby league moves in.

Maybe this time we can see how Brisbane 2 and Perth can fare without the horrible handicap of a Superleague war and broken/split competitions.
 

KeepingTheFaith

Referee
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f**k it, lets just kick out Souths again.

And at a pinch they can take the Dogs with them provided Sydney has enough riot police on hand when the decision is announced.
 

Clifferd

Coach
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In a perfect world there should probably only be 4-5 Sydney teams.

One to cover the northern district (Manly) then Newcastle can cover the rest.

One to cover the eastern district (Roosters)

Maybe 2 to cover Western/Souh West Sydney (Paramatta and Penrith)

And 1 to cover the south corridor from Kogarah down through to the south coast

Obviously it won't happen but when the newly formed nrl was introduced they should have had plans in place for the long term not the short term. It's way too late to start culling established teams now
 

taipan

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The AFL won't be culling any more of their Vic teams.The Swans whilst crowd successful are still a ratings void in the North.The Lions expansion team ATM an absolute farce, losing millions each year.Suns and Gnats costing millions and millions to keep them afloat.

Once tradition has been created ,it's hazardous to cull teams, and not give the opposition a giant leg up.
North Sydney is a classic example,fumbleball has made decent inroads.Souths getting flicked for a couple of years ditto.

IMO the situation the code finds itself in, is lack of extra loot to throw around.And why did this happen ?
@ because News Ltd owned half the code,and short changed the Tv deals.
b) because we had a former News lawyer who ran the show and negotiated with News who half owned the game and formerly employed him.

Gallop should have been strung up by his uuumms and aaaghs.Does anyone honestly believe we would not have got a better deal if News didn't own half, and we had a CEO with balls?
 

RockWheel

Bench
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They NSWRL had their chance in the 80s to rationalise the comp. they tried but gave up with little reluctance. I think there was a move from the BRL to make a national comp with the top Sydney and Brisbane clubs but someone with more knowledge could shed some light on that. Imagine a national comp that started in the 80s with six Sydney clubs, three Brisbane clubs plus Newcastle, Canberra and Illawarra.
 

Front-Rower

First Grade
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Balmain and us (along with St. George and the Illawarra Steelers) did our bit by merging at the turn of the century. Time for another club(s) to assist the game in such a way.
 

siv

First Grade
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Maybe Sydney based clubs should demerge from the NRL and restart the Sydney based comp. Invite Norths and Newtown back and add the Central Coast

And just run a 12 team comp with 5 games on Sunday and one on Saturday

That should allow enough room for expansion clubs Perth, Brisbane 2, PNG, Ctrl Qld, Wellington, Christchurch and Adelaide

In the ThNF, FNF x2, Sat night x 2 and MNF timeslots
 

T-Boon

Coach
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Balmain and us (along with St. George and the Illawarra Steelers) did our bit by merging at the turn of the century. Time for another club(s) to assist the game in such a way.

thats why Cronulla, Penrith and Canterbury should be first heads on chopping block.
 
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Penrith ARE Western Sydney. They cannot be considered. Same goes for Parramatta - too greographically important. Manly are the same.

Souths, Easts, Canterbury, St. George, Wests and Cronulla are the expendables - IF the NRL is looking at this.

If not, then the benchmark of "Go broke, go home" is fine.
 

T-Boon

Coach
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Maybe Sydney based clubs should demerge from the NRL and restart the Sydney based comp. Invite Norths and Newtown back and add the Central Coast

And just run a 12 team comp with 5 games on Sunday and one on Saturday

That should allow enough room for expansion clubs Perth, Brisbane 2, PNG, Ctrl Qld, Wellington, Christchurch and Adelaide

In the ThNF, FNF x2, Sat night x 2 and MNF timeslots

Nice. Two seperate competitions run independently but with some cooperation (state of origin, super bowl type final and dividing up TV slots) would be pretty cool. Even SoO would be more interesting.
 
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If you are a player, you generally try to live somewhere close to your home base.

Would you rather be living in Campbelltown or concord?

I get what you're saying but it hasn't hurt recruitment at Penrith in recent years.

Competent management can overcome this problem.

Even Canberra have improved recruitment.
 

Clifferd

Coach
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Penrith ARE Western Sydney. They cannot be considered. Same goes for Parramatta - too greographically important. Manly are the same.

Souths, Easts, Canterbury, St. George, Wests and Cronulla are the expendables - IF the NRL is looking at this.

If not, then the benchmark of "Go broke, go home" is fine.

Wests are just as important to Western Sydney as Parra and Penrith are.

Only difference is we aren't winning ATM
 

Brutus

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Spot on! Crazy to think some people think alienating more fans is somehow going to help the sport.

The strength of RL is the tribalism in Australia's largest city - Sydney. We can't reduce this any further. This is something the AFL or union will never have. The Tigers are a strong brand and to remove them would be to the detriment of our game.

If the game was being run better, then we would have expanded by now. I have no doubt that a well run 2nd team in Brisbane could easily average 20k. The Crushers averaged 23k in their first season and they were shit. They were treated as outcasts in Brisbane after that due to the Superleague war and were forced to play their final season in a Sydney-centric half competition. The Brisbane media (News Limited) ignored them for obvious reasons. No new team would ever have to put up with such nonsense.

It is criminal to think that South East QLD has the same amount of AFL teams as it does NRL teams.
 
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