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The Case for Adelaide.....

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Hahahaha all this fanciful dreaming. You know how the old saying goes, "You can wish in one hand and shit in the other, see which one gets filled first"
Super League happened because Sydneysiders were blind to reality and arrogant and cable television companies needed content. We're now in a similar situation with FTA declining and streaming services putting pressure on Foxtel as they all need content to draw subscribers. With NRL tied up with Foxtel until 2027, don't be surprised if Ch9 and their Stan Sport service look at creating their own league.

Q. What do you think is more valuable to Ch9 and Stan Sports...

a) Foxtel having exclusive rights to all top flight RL games, with only one team representing Australia's 2nd and 3rd largest cities and none in the 4th and 5th largest markets?

or

b) A newly launched national competion that has teams from every major city and can be purchased by Ch9/Stan Sport so that all "rugby" in this country is in their hands?
 

flippikat

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Super League happened because Sydneysiders were blind to reality and arrogant and cable television companies needed content. We're now in a similar situation with FTA declining and streaming services putting pressure on Foxtel as they all need content to draw subscribers. With NRL tied up with Foxtel until 2027, don't be surprised if Ch9 and their Stan Sport service look at creating their own league.
I wonder if the plan is to "League-ise" Rugby Union, poach NRL players, and get product that way?

Some of the recent rule changes to RU are flying pretty close to league...
 
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I wonder if the plan is to "League-ise" Rugby Union, poach NRL players, and get product that way?

Some of the recent rule changes to RU are flying pretty close to league...

They're hoping RL fans will jump on board, but I cannot see it happening.

If Ch 9 tried to start a league that didn't have all the Sydney teams with all their history and following, that league would fail miserably.
Super League 97 drew higher attendances than ARL 97, despite most of the Sydney teams playing in the ARL.

Super League 97 H&A

12,347


ARL 97 H&A

9,915

 

Jim Rockford

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They're hoping RL fans will jump on board, but I cannot see it happening.


Super League 97 drew higher attendances than ARL 97, despite most of the Sydney teams playing in the ARL.

Super League 97 H&A

12,347


ARL 97 H&A

9,915

Sorry, but a league with no Sydney teams and a bunch of Queersland teams just wouldn't cut it. Sure they would get a bunch of Queersland yokels watching but the most populous city in the country wouldn't give it a second look.
 

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Currently only about 30-40% of the FTA Tv audience is actually from Sydney. Does it really take nine clubs to generate that few tv viewers? NRL will continue to stagnate as it lacks the balls or vision to do either thing that is necessary, go to 20 clubs and restructure things so its sustainable or cull the oversaturated Sydney situation to free up space to expand properly to a national game. It will do neither so will continue to be as it is. The game really hasn't grown at all in two decades in terms of clubs, juniors, tv audiences or crowds. Stagnation is what we do well it seems!
 

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What is amusing is that this is probably the first administration since the mid 80's that doesnt think Sydney is oversaturated. But then we have got Suburban Pete leading the circus with his "tribalism" so we shouldnt be surprised!

My solution if I was in charge, given the NRL hasnt the balls to relegate anyone, would be to drop the salary cap to $8.5mill plus 1 marquee player unlimited salary. Put a $21mill cap on club spending, introduce a variable NRL grant system like AFL. Then use the savings to fund a reserve grade, U20's and increase funding to Jnr RL participation growth.
Expand the comp to 20 clubs over the next 10 years and bring in two conferences of ten clubs. Do away with exclusive time slots for games and bring in a third streaming partner. Look to produce own gameday content so the options of selling to multiple streaming services, or creating your own FFS, become much broader.
Min criteria for stadia of min 25k capacity with 20k undercover seating and X amount of corporate box space.

If successful you could look to 22 or 24 clubs long term with regional areas like Gosford and Sunshine coast becoming more viable, PNG and Brisbane 3.
 
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flippikat

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Currently only about 30-40% of the FTA Tv audience is actually from Sydney. Does it really take nine clubs to generate that few tv viewers? NRL will continue to stagnate as it lacks the balls or vision to do either thing that is necessary, go to 20 clubs and restructure things so its sustainable or cull the oversaturated Sydney situation to free up space to expand properly to a national game. It will do neither so will continue to be as it is. The game really hasn't grown at all in two decades in terms of clubs, juniors, tv audiences or crowds. Stagnation is what we do well it seems!
Spot on - and that's the ideal goal, yeah?

A league that's not just "national" in name, but in actual club presence.

It's a common argument from anti-rationalization folk to say "You just want to scrap my club, so you can have one of your own" - but that's not the point.. just about every proponent of rationalization I've encountered has been for using it to allow for MULTIPLE EXPANSION CLUBS that bring the game to big population centres that can grow the pie - in sponsorship, viewing figures, and even juniors (given some decent development programs).
 

Jim Rockford

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It's a common argument from anti-rationalization folk to say "You just want to scrap my club, so you can have one of your own" - but that's not the point..

That's exactly the point. Perth Red doesn't give a shit about the game as a whole. He just wants his own club, and if others have to lose theirs to achieve this, he could care less. That makes him a small-minded,selfish douchebag and those who agree with him are exactly the same.
 

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I would have thought Adelaide would be near the bottom of a long list of better options like Bris2, NZ2, Central Coast, Perth, PNG, Timbuktu etc.
 

flippikat

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I would have thought Adelaide would be near the bottom of a long list of better options like Bris2, NZ2, Central Coast, Perth, PNG, Timbuktu etc.
I don't think the list is that long.

I assume Brisbane 2 would probably be ahead of them, and Perth (more developed grassroots over there, compared to Adelaide - plus new timezone), and possibly NZ 2.. but at that stage Adelaide stands out as a major city that doesn't have representation in the league.

So from that I'd put Adelaide as 3rd or 4th "cab off the rank".

Any idea of a 3rd world nation like PNG sustaining a top tier team within the next 20 years is terribly fanciful.. or any of the Pacific Islands for that matter. At the very least not until the "big fish" in Australia/New Zealand have a place in the top tier.
 

Jim Rockford

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What he said is actually true. We either go to a 20 team competition or we rationalise what we have so we can include Adelaide and Perth.
And what I said is actually true. Perth Red doesn't care one iota for the game, he just wants his own team and if someone else has to lose their team doesn't bother him one bit. That mindset is beyond pathetic.
 
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And what I said is actually true. Perth Red doesn't care one iota for the game, he just wants his own team and if someone else has to lose their team doesn't bother him one bit. That mindset is beyond pathetic.
Do Sydney RL fans care about the game?

I've heard them say they support their club, not the game, and will stop watching the sport if their team gets punted.

When the Super League war was over, the Sydney clubs and their fans were willing to sacrifice the Crushers, Chargers, Reds and Rams so that their teams could remain. I cannot think of anything more selfish than a city sacrificing one team towns so that it can hang onto nine teams that are incapable of surviving without assistance, but demand clubs from other areas not only survive without assistance, but add money to the game that will then be funnelled into its nine clubs.
 

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HUGE difference between sacrificing clubs that had existed for just a few years to ones that have existed for decades. Plus I don't see any Sydney fans baying for clubs to be cut, just losers like Perth Red and his acolytes. As to your last point, what about Melbourne who contribute no juniors to the pool of future players but happily pilfer other clubs juniors after they have spent money developing them? That is the very epitome of selfishness, but you won't say anything about that because your little buddy Perth Red will get his feelings hurt.
 
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HUGE difference between sacrificing clubs that had existed for just a few years to ones that have existed for decades. Plus I don't see any Sydney fans baying for clubs to be cut, just losers like Perth Red and his acolytes. As to your last point, what about Melbourne who contribute no juniors to the pool of future players but happily pilfer other clubs juniors after they have spent money developing them? That is the very epitome of selfishness, but you won't say anything about that because your little buddy Perth Red will get his feelings hurt.
I've said plenty about Melbourne Storm in the past. I believe the $100m that News Ltd and the ARLC funnelled into them to make the club a juggernaut was really unfair on all the other teams and it makes me angry that so much favouritism was given to a city that doesn’t really care about the game.

Although Melbourne's privileged position pisses me off, I have to admit that the assistance given to them has provided our game with a profile in Melbourne that wouldn't exist if the Storm were never a juggernaut. The extra viewers from Melbourne who now tune in to watch big events like Origin and the GF make our broadcast rights more lucrative and help bring in money that can be shared around by the clubs and players. Teams in Adelaide and Perth can have a similar effect.

I do think it's time the ARLC and Melbourne Storm pulled their finger out and started working on grassroots development in Victoria. They should have started doing it 20 years ago. For that we can blame our administration for being short-sighted.

No one wants to see their team cut, but our game is a business these days and if a club isn't contributing and holding the other clubs back then it's a liability. There's no room for emotion in the business world. The strong prey on the weak and show no mercy.

News Ltd financed the Storm because our game needed a presence in the country's second largest market. That's just smart business.

Our game needs Sydney even more than Melbourne, but it doesn't need nine clubs in it to have the desired effect. It could easily do it with six or seven clubs so that we can expand into the 4th and 5th largest markets. It also makes good business sense to have a 2nd team in Brisbane and New Zealand. It would make even better business sense to have 3 teams in Brisbane and New Zealand so that every Friday night we can have a game in Brisbane, Sydney and New Zealand, broadcast live into their respective markets, to maximise revenue, then have the same thing done on Sunday afternoon. We need to do away with each game being assigned a unique timeslot.

Rationalisation sucks. It happened to me in 2002 when the Logan Scorpions were killed off because the Logan City Council forced them to pay an exorbitant amount to lease Meakin Park for 15 years, which eventually led to its downfall. I still get upset and livid about the injustice, but I've sort of moved on and I never stopped watching the game.
 

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