18th club, whose next?

[mongoose]

My mob lost to them too. Your team was devastated by the loss of Fogarty and Hodgson in the first round. No team can rebound from that. You're not doing too bad considering the circumstances.

well they are nice excuses for Ricky to fall back onto, I don't think Hodgson is a big loss to be honest when we have Starling who played basically a full year for us in 2020 and we made the prelim final.

A second NZ team might help the Warriors reach their potential. It will definitely take a lot of pressure off them by not being the sole representative of NZRL. Having to compete with another team for fans and players might help them become more professional. Going back to being the Auckland Warriors would definitely help them form an identity.

Maybe, I don't know if its pressure on the Warriors, if anything I don't think there is enough pressure on the club to perform well. I think the media in NZ and Australia have pretty low expectations of the Warriors.

 

[Colk]

well they are nice excuses for Ricky to fall back onto, I don't think Hodgson is a big loss to be honest when we have Starling who played basically a full year for us in 2020 and we made the prelim final.


Maybe, I don't know if its pressure on the Warriors, if anything I don't think there is enough pressure on the club to perform well. I think the media in NZ and Australia have pretty low expectations of the Warriors.

On our team, I think the fact that our halfback is a rookie who might or might not be up to it is somewhat of an excuse. The fullback issue is something that we could have resolved a lot better than it has been. CNK is just not the type of fullback you want in the modern game; notwithstanding the fact that his form has gone off a massive cliff

Yeah I don’t know. The fact that the Warriors are so bad is an excuse to not put in a second team. I am in favour of a second team but it does make me concerned about the prospects of a second team.

 

[mongoose]

On our team, I think the fact that our halfback is a rookie who might or might not be up to it is somewhat of an excuse. The fullback issue is something that we could have resolved a lot better than it has been. CNK is just not the type of fullback you want in the modern game; notwithstanding the fact that his form has gone off a massive cliff

Yeah I don’t know. The fact that the Warriors are so bad is an excuse to not put in a second team. I am in favour of a second team but it does make me concerned about the prospects of a second team.

Yeah our spine has problems. Schneider has been thrown into it before he's ready but I don't feel he's shown much in terms of attacking vision or having any kind of x factor and Sticky just isn't good coaching young halves for some reason... anyway, going way off topic...

 

[Perth Red]

Mate, I live a few hundred metres from Lions@Springwood Social Club. I've been here for over 20 years. Logan is a dyed in the wool RL city that hates fumbleball. Everywhere I go in Logan I see people walking around in RL jerseys.

The only reason the Lions put their social club here is because Logan has more gamblers than anywhere else in Queensland. It is so desperate for members that it provides life membership for just $1. Massive Leagues Clubs like Easts at Coorparoo and Seagulls at Manly West charge $1 for one year's worth of membership and still have way more members. RL would be crazy to not follow suit and put an NRL club's Leagues Club here and run Lions@Springwood into the ground.

Who do you think would do better business on the weekend?

a) the Lions@Springwood Social Club screening AwFuL or

b) a Firehawks Leagues Club in Springwood screening live NRL matches on a big TV?

Funds from a Firehawks Leagues Club in Springwood could be invested into the Rochedale Tigers, Springwood Tigers, Flagstone Tigers and Yarrabilba Tigers.

You seem to be suggesting if Easts got a NRL club they would build a LC there. There has been zero indication that would happen, and if it was a good business decision to do so why wouldn't they already have done it? Why would they need an NRL club to build a LC?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You seem to be suggesting if Easts got a NRL club they would build a LC there. There has been zero indication that would happen, and if it was a good business decision to do so why wouldn't they already have done it? Why would they need an NRL club to build a LC?

I'm not suggesting they will build a Leagues Club here. I'm suggesting they should build one here. Brisbane Lions have been raking in about $5m a year for well over a decade from the Lions@Springwood Social Club. That's money Easts Tigers could be bringing in and using to further their NRL bid funding Rochedale Tigers and Springwood Tigers, but they've been very insular and just focused on their business at Coorparoo. Broncos could have added one years ago. Our clubs are very insular and never think outside the box.

I've been saying for years that a Queensland Cup team should be based at Cronulla Park. The useless bastards from the QRL never listened to me. Now AwFuL have secured the land for the Springwood Pumas fumbleball club, who receive a nice handout each year from the Lions@Springwood Social Club.

So to sum it up, AwFuL is becoming rich from their licenced venue in Springwood and using it to fund grassroots development in Logan because the lazy wankers who run our game have neglected this city for 20 years. AwFuL saw an opportunity and pounced. Our game's governing bodies are marred by incompetent low brow hicks who have no vision running it into the ground and our largest competitor is reaping the rewards.

 

[Perth Red]

I'm not suggesting they will build a Leagues Club here. I'm suggesting they should build one here. Brisbane Lions have been raking in about $5m a year for well over a decade from the Lions@Springwood Social Club. That's money Easts Tigers could be bringing in and using to further their NRL bid funding Rochedale Tigers and Springwood Tigers, but they've been very insular and just focused on their business at Coorparoo. Broncos could have added one years ago. Our clubs are very insular and never think outside the box.

I've been saying for years that a Queensland Cup team should be based at Cronulla Park. The useless bastards from the QRL never listened to me. Now AwFuL have secured the land for the Springwood Pumas fumbleball club, who receive a nice handout each year from the Lions@Springwood Social Club.

So to sum it up, AwFuL is becoming rich from their licenced venue in Springwood and using it to fund grassroots development in Logan because the lazy wankers who run our game have neglected this city for 20 years. AwFuL saw an opportunity and pounced. Our game's governing bodies are marred by incompetent low brow hicks who have no vision running it into the ground and our largest competitor is reaping the rewards.

That still doesn't answer why Tigers need an NRL license to build a LC there lol. Clubs dont invest in things to harm AFL, they do it to make money. If there's money to be had there why aren't Broncos or Titans building a club there? Or are you suggesting NRL should start funding LC constructions where ever AFL clubs have them?

 

[Wb1234]

That still doesn't answer why Tigers need an NRL license to build a LC there lol. Clubs dont invest in things to harm AFL, they do it to make money. If there's money to be had there why aren't Broncos or Titans building a club there? Or are you suggesting NRL should start funding LC constructions where ever AFL clubs have them?

That’s not a bad idea. It would actually be great assets for the league to invest in. The return is much higher than traditional property investments

 

[Perth Red]

That’s not a bad idea. It would actually be great assets for the league to invest in. The return is much higher than traditional property investments

haha, maybe they should buy some brothels and seedy nightclubs as well, I've heard they can be pretty lucrative.

 

[Wb1234]

haha, maybe they should buy some brothels and seedy nightclubs as well, I've heard they can be pretty lucrative.

Stilettos is for sale now. It makes 7 million pa on the books (plus who knows how much cash) and it’s selling for around 32 million.

plus you can knock it down and put 90 units which makes it worth 50 million.

nightclubs are only profitable if you sell drugs in them so they should pass on that

plus if the arlc owned a legal brothel they could probably get back a good chunk of the players wages they pay out

 

[Perth Red]

Stilettos is for sale now. It makes 7 million pa on the books (plus who knows how much cash) and it’s selling for around 32 million.

plus you can knock it down and put 90 units which makes it worth 50 million.

nightclubs are only profitable if you sell drugs in them so they should pass on that

plus if the arlc owned a legal brothel they could probably get back a good chunk of the players wages they pay out

I reckon there's some players who would have good contacts for the drugs sideline

 

[siv]

'Sorry' but that is utter f**king nonsense. The most successful clubs in the NRL era (Storm and Roosters) have done it with affiliate clubs, not reserve grades.

Besides developing the best quality talent for a handful of NRL clubs isn't, nor should it be, the sole goal of grassroots and junior footy. Nor should that goal ever come at the expense of what is in the best interests of the health and growth of the sport as a whole.

These sorts of "the NRL is all that matters" attitudes is why RL is dying on it's arse everywhere south of roughly Goulburn, and that creeping death is spreading yearly.

Strawman, and a really lame one at that considering that pseudo reserve grade teams get about that to their games before the NRL anyway.

No their isn't and you damn well know it.

The lower the standard of the talent the harder it is to sell the product, just look at spring leagues in America. Take the best talent outside of the NRL and drop it into a reserve grade and you've just killed the Qld cup, Bears, Jets, etc, and killed any hope for more clubs like them in the future, and you've done it all for absolutely nothing.

You've also killed your best hope of promoting bush footy, which desperately needs it.

I don't care about your anecdotes, and could give you just as many of kids who hated having to leave their teams, clubs, towns, etc, to go and play for an NRL side because it was their only shot.

Anecdotes are meaningless.

You'd absolutely notice it if you took the top 3-4 best players out of any team, and to pretend otherwise is a joke.

Do that, and with the exception of a handful of clubs with rich and willing leagues clubs, the only teams left in the comp would be Sydney based within a decade. In other words the exact opposite of your stated goal.

It's almost as if your stated goal isn't actually your goal and you're just another in a long line Sydney-centric cancers who's ignorance and myopia have f**ked this game for generations...

Why do NRL clubs continue to dump the model you propose?

Because it doesnt work for a professional group of 30+6 players

Dont quote USA formats as they dont apply in Australia. But to quote you NFL has 50 plus players and those that dont play on a weekend dont go back and play in feeder clubs

Even your Canberra team runs all grades U17 U19 U21 RG through to NRL as one professional group

 

[Wb1234]

I reckon there's some players who would have good contacts for the drugs sideline

Way back in 2002 I was in a cubicle at the lizard lounge in Sydney. Many bulldogs players were piling into the next cubicle next to me. We were both there doing the same thing lol

and when the cross was happening the best part of the night was wondering the streets at 3 am seeing people off their faces and working out which drug they were on

saw quite a few league players off their chops lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That still doesn't answer why Tigers need an NRL license to build a LC there lol. Clubs dont invest in things to harm AFL, they do it to make money. If there's money to be had there why aren't Broncos or Titans building a club there? Or are you suggesting NRL should start funding LC constructions where ever AFL clubs have them?

They don't need an NRL team to build a Leagues Club here and I never said they did, but it would help them build a fanbase extending into Logan if they did have one before entering the big league.

I know there's money to be made here because the Brisbane Lions are making $5m a year, despite there being a pokies den less than 100 metres away near Arndale Springwood Shopping Centre. Logan is regarded as the gambling capital of Queensland. The Greater Springwood Masterplan is converting this area into Logan's CBD. It would be smart to build a large business here now before the masterplan is completed. Lions obviously saw the writing on the wall over a decade ago and built the Lions@Springwood Social Club in the area.

Why do you think the Brisbane Lions built the Lions@Springwood Social Club?

 

[Perth Red]

They don't need an NRL team to build a Leagues Club here and I never said they did, but it would help them build a fanbase extending into Logan if they did have one before entering the big league.

I know there's money to be made here because the Brisbane Lions are making $5m a year, despite there being a pokies den less than 100 metres away near Arndale Springwood Shopping Centre. Logan is regarded as the gambling capital of Queensland. The Greater Springwood Masterplan is converting this area into Logan's CBD. It would be smart to build a large business here now before the masterplan is completed. Lions obviously saw the writing on the wall over a decade ago and built the Lions@Springwood Social Club in the area.

Why do you think the Brisbane Lions built the Lions@Springwood Social Club?

Ok so we dont need Brisbane3 to damage AFL, good to hear, we can use the license to grow the game in that case.

They built it to make money. However if there was still capacity to make more money by opening another LC wouldn't someone have done it by now? Is there a pokie license limit or something, maybe that's why no-one has. Or maybe the market is now covered and someone moving in wont see a ROI that you think they will?
It seems the pokie industry is shrinking with the increased advent of online gambling and the death of the pokie generation. Maybe its no longer the future business you think it is? Most LC's are now diversifying their investment portfolios, not opening up more pokie clubs.

Lions make as much revenue from memberships, game day and corporates as they do from their leagues club, with a better profit margin Id suggest.

In '21 their total revenue came from:
LC revenue $18.2mill
Game day, memberships and corporates and sponsorships $18.7mill
AFL grant $20.3mill
Merch sales $1.7mill

and achieved a $4.8million profit

https://resources.lions.com.au/aflc-bl/document/2022/01/10/35073b75-74d1-4083-81f1-65a44de401d1/210475_2021_Financial_Report.pdf

Broncos LC brought in $16.7 mill revenue for '21 leading to a $1.7mill profit from the LC side of things.

https://broncosclub.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/BRONCOS-ANNUAL-REPORT-WEB.pdf

and Broncos other revenue was made up of:
Memberships, game day, corporate sales $12.8mill
Sponsorship $12.7mill
Merch sales $1.3mill
NRL grant $16.3mill
with a profit for '21 of $2.9mill

https://www.broncos.com.au/siteassets/about-us/pdfs/220414---2021-annual-report-brisbane-broncos-limited.pdf

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Ok so we dont need Brisbane3 to damage AFL, good to hear, we can use the license to grow the game in that case.

They built it to make money. However if there was still capacity to make more money by opening another LC wouldn't someone have done it by now? Is there a pokie license limit or something, maybe that's why no-one has. Or maybe the market is now covered and someone moving in wont see a ROI that you think they will?
It seems the pokie industry is shrinking with the increased advent of online gambling and the death of the pokie generation. Maybe its no longer the future business you think it is? Most LC's are now diversifying their investment portfolios, not opening up more pokie clubs.

Just because the Tigers and Broncos haven't built a Leagues Club here doesn't mean there's no money to be made. You know more than anyone else that our game is run by insular dickheads who don't do anything to grow their brand.

Using your logic, there's no team in Perth because there's no money there and no possibility of it ever being viable. We both know that's bullshit, but if you're going to say an absence of a Leagues Club in Springwood means there's no money here then we have to assume the NRL are avoiding Adelaide and Perth for the same reason. You cannot have it both ways.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

If I was the Easts Tigers I would look into buying up The Springwood Hotel.

Springwood Hotel, Springwood, QLD

Springwood's favourite with great food and beverages, kids area, accommodation, UBET & much more. Make a reservation now!

www.springwoodhotel.com.au

 

[Perth Red]

Just because the Tigers and Broncos haven't built a Leagues Club here doesn't mean there's no money to be made. You know more than anyone else that our game is run by insular dickheads who don't do anything to grow their brand.

Using your logic, there's no team in Perth because there's no money there and no possibility of it ever being viable. We both know that's bullshit, but if you're going to say an absence of a Leagues Club in Springwood means there's no money here then we have to assume the NRL are avoiding Adelaide and Perth for the same reason. You cannot have it both ways.

that's a great strawman argument lol.
You yourself have said there are lots of pokies in that region. Maybe the gamblers in that area are already serviced?
A better analogy would be should the NRL put another team in Sydney or is the market there already serviced?

 

[Perth Red]

If I was the Easts Tigers I would look into buying up The Springwood Hotel.

Springwood Hotel, Springwood, QLD

Springwood's favourite with great food and beverages, kids area, accommodation, UBET & much more. Make a reservation now!

www.springwoodhotel.com.au

Looks charming lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

that's a great strawman argument lol.
You yourself have said there are lots of pokies in that region. Maybe the gamblers in that area are already serviced?
A better analogy would be should the NRL put another team in Sydney or is the market there already serviced?

The only strawman argument is the one you made about Brisbane not needing three teams to combat AwFuL. No one suggested a third NRL team in Brisbane to stop Lions from growing.

I pointed out that if Brisbane 2 was about combating AwFuL, which is what all the rhetoric from ALRC was about when they brought up expansion, then they would have gone with the Tigers as they're located in the same area as the Lions and are both trying to extend their reach into Logan.

You're just paranoid about a third team because you're afraid it will keep Perth out. I agree that Perth should be next. I still think Firehawks would have been better than Dolphins if the goal was to combat AwFuL. Now that the decision has been made hopefully Redcliffe will invest in the region to establish a fanbase in Logan, as they'll need one to fill Lang Park on a Thursday and Friday night. Canberra Raiders have invested in Logan.

The Springwood Hotel does great business and has done for over 20 years.

 

[Perth Red]

No one suggested a third NRL team in Brisbane to stop Lions from growing.

You literally said, and I quote:

I'd love to see the Firehawks in the NRL. They would be more of a competitor to the Brisbane Lions than the Broncos and Titans as they're based next door to them and cover the same territory. If PVL and co want to take the fight to AwFuL in Brisbane then the Firehawks are the team to do it.

If that's not advocating for Brisbane3 to combat the Lions then what is it? lol

I think we will have to have Brisbane3 at some point sadly as the NRL has screwed the decision on Brisbane2. UNLESS Dolphins surprise us all and can become a genuine second Brisbane club. But the signs are not good on that one. But not because of AFL. but because we need clubs to represent the whole region, and it would appear Broncos are having limited success doing that and Dolphins simply wont fill the gap in the South.

I agree the obvious choice for a genuine Brisbane2 was the Firehawks, but I suspect the Broncos had a massive say in the choice of the dolphins over them.