18th club, whose next?

[Omott91]

Can anyone copy the comments from Abdo on Nz2 from the Sydney Morning Herald please?

 

[Wb1234]

Can anyone copy the comments from Abdo on Nz2 from the Sydney Morning Herald please?

You can get the article by trying fairfax in other states

Brisbanestimes
The age
Wa today

I rotate these sites when I max out on smh

 

[Omott91]

Meanwhile back in the real world

‘An enormous market’: Abdo backs New Zealand for 18th NRL team

While the NRL boss insists that the Dolphins becoming competitive when they join in 2023 is paramount, there is a growing need to broaden the game’s talent pool.

www.smh.com.au

Nevermind

 

[marshall stalin]

"We shouldn't expand to X city/region because X sport is more popular" is the best way to make sure that X sport remains more popular in said city/region and that RL always has stunted growth there. In the modern landscape you need pro-clubs to push interest in your sport, it just is what it is.

Also the idea that PNG is a better option of any of those 5 is laughable. At least the others would have a chance, not matter how small, of being sustainable.

Did you read my post - see the following extract- I have PNG as number 2- Politics will come into this decision and I don't mean NRL politics either

My ranking of the candidates would be

1. Perth
2. PNG
3. NZ2
4. 5TH QLD Team
5. North Sydney Bears

 

[marshall stalin]

Nevermind

When did Abdo become the decision maker on what teams come in though . Bit like a few weeks back when he thought he was the ref/bunker.

 

[Perth Red]

The important bits, and why Masters has totally missed the point in the headline are:

Abdo:
“In particular, the commission is focused on innovative measures to enhance the pathways systems and it’s something our clubs are focused on as well. we’re certainly committed to investing in the region and seeing more talent unlocked and emerge through pathways systems.'

Suggesting he was talking about participation and pathways, not another NZ club.

then:
“In terms of expansion, our priority is ensuring the Dolphins enter the competition successfully and a successful 17-team competition,” he said. “Beyond that, the commission is open to looking at 18 teams down the track and open-minded about the location of potential new markets.” Suggesting no decisions are being made yet.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You literally said, and I quote:

If that's not advocating for Brisbane3 to combat the Lions then what is it? lol

I think we will have to have Brisbane3 at some point sadly as the NRL has screwed the decision on Brisbane2. UNLESS Dolphins surprise us all and can become a genuine second Brisbane club. But the signs are not good on that one. But not because of AFL. but because we need clubs to represent the whole region, and it would appear Broncos are having limited success doing that and Dolphins simply wont fill the gap in the South.

I agree the obvious choice for a genuine Brisbane2 was the Firehawks, but I suspect the Broncos had a massive say in the choice of the dolphins over them.

If we're lucky then maybe the Dolphins and Tigers can work together to create a super club that extends from Sunshine Coast down to Gold Coast. I'd imagine a team called Brisbane Dolphins or Moreton Bay Dolphins, with Leagues Clubs in Redcliffe. Coorparoo and Springwood would be able to create a larger fanbase than the mess we're getting with "The Dolphins". Add Wynnum Manly into the fold and it would be a mighty club.

Let's hope they go with the Pirates as the next team. It's embarassing to not have a team in Australia's fourth largest city and it doesn't do us any favours in the commercial sector to be limited to the east coast.

 

[Perth Red]

If we're lucky then maybe the Dolphins and Tigers can work together to create a super club that extends from Sunshine Coast down to Gold Coast. I'd imagine a team called Brisbane Dolphins or Moreton Bay Dolphins, with Leagues Clubs in Redcliffe. Coorparoo and Springwood would be able to create a larger fanbase than the mess we're getting with "The Dolphins". Add Wynnum Manly into the fold and it would be a mighty club.

Let's hope they go with the Pirates as the next team. It's embarassing to not have a team in Australia's fourth largest city and it doesn't do us any favours in the commercial sector to be limited to the east coast.

Tigers wouldn't work with Ipswich so I doubt they'll want to get in bed with Dolphins! Reality is they've been left dangling a carrot that one day they may get in, bit like the Bears, so wont do anything that might jeopardies that, and cant blame them.

I just hope, if they arent 100% sure which market they strategically want, that they have an open bid process and then choose the best bid. TBH Pirates only work, because the NRL refuses to invest in expansion, if there are big money backers behind them to kick start them and we wont know that for sure unless there is an opportunity for a consortium to put in a bid. For all the talk of the PNG 'bid' it isnt, as there is no process or bid opportunity at the moment.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Tigers wouldn't work with Ipswich so I doubt they'll want to get in bed with Dolphins! Reality is they've been left dangling a carrot that one day they may get in, bit like the Bears, so wont do anything that might jeopardies that, and cant blame them.

Broncos would be wise to let them buy a stake in the club so they can control all of Brisbane and Logan. Maybe even rebrand from Broncos to Tigers. If anyone could convince the ARLC to drop the Wests Tigers brand so it can revert to Western Sydney Magpies it's News Ltd. Brisbane Tigers is a better brand than Brisbane Broncos and can represent all of Brisbane. Maybe even bring back the Wests Panthers at Queensland Cup level as a feeder club.

 

[Perth Red]

Broncos would be wise to let them buy a stake in the club so they can control all of Brisbane and Logan. Maybe even rebrand from Broncos to Tigers. If anyone could convince the ARLC to drop the Wests Tigers brand so it can revert to Western Sydney Magpies it's News Ltd. Brisbane Tigers is a better brand than Brisbane Broncos and can represent all of Brisbane. Maybe even bring back the Wests Panthers at Queensland Cup level as a feeder club.

Broncos is a very profitable business, News aren't changing anything lol. I do think Broncos may need to have a rethink on their target audience areas now, looking more South, and maybe look to different feeder club arrangements. Starting with Tigers. Not that I want to see our only expansion club weakened!

Broncos are already affiliated with Wynnum and Souths Logan so maybe adding Tigers and Jets to the fold gives them a stronger footprint in Southern Brisbane region?

 

[The Great Dane]

Why do NRL clubs continue to dump the model you propose?

Short answer; self interest.

Longer answer; the Sydney-centric nature of the leadership of this sport whom seem incapable of considering, or frankly caring, about the broader impact on the sport outside of Sydney, unless it directly benefits their clubs, have pressured for things to move in the direction of a reserve grade because they believe it's in their best interests.

Besides, the most successful clubs of the NRL era haven't. Both the Storm and Roosters are doing just fine with their affiliates like they always have.

Because it doesnt work for a professional group of 30+6 players

It's amazing that it's so easy for you to lie yourself like that.

I honestly can't imagine being so intellectually dishonest.

Dont quote USA formats as they dont apply in Australia. But to quote you NFL has 50 plus players and those that dont play on a weekend dont go back and play in feeder clubs

LOL, WTF are you talking about... The only person talking about the NFL, or 'feeder systems' in general in America, is you.

Spring leagues are attempts to create professional football leagues in the NFL's offseason, where there's a giant dead space where such a product should be highly successful in the football mad US, but so far have failed for a handful of reasons. The main reason they fail (the original USFL and XFL 2020, being the only exceptions) is because the standard of play and player has been too low to hold the average pro football fan's interest.

BTW, NFL clubs don't have 'feeder clubs'. It's the nature of the platoon system and the hyper specialisation of most positions that they don't need them. However MLB, NHL, and the NBA all have minor leagues, and their players do move between the main roster and their various affiliate teams regularly.

Even your Canberra team runs all grades U17 U19 U21 RG through to NRL as one professional group

Only because PVL forced them.

The Raiders were all set to find an affiliate in the local region (probably Goulburn or Wagga) to launch a new NSW Cup side, until V'landy's begged and pleaded for them to launch their own NSW Cup side so he could 'give the fans what they want' by having three games on gameday. In the end they only agreed because he gives them an extra grant to cover the difference in cost.

So instead of the Southern Tablelands or Riverina having their own team that could have been used to help promoted the sport in the region, and probably would have been a reasonable draw in it's own right, Canberra has another team that plays in front of empty grandstands...

What a great outcome for the game when this is happening in the region. You realise that the policies you're supporting are partly responsible for that decline right?

 

[Perth Red]

Such a shame the World League never took off for NFL. I used to go to London Monarchs games at Wembley and it was awesome and the best opportunity of American football to become a globally played sport rather than just a TV product. They should have stuck with it!

 

[The Great Dane]

Did you read my post - see the following extract- I have PNG as number 2- Politics will come into this decision and I don't mean NRL politics either

My ranking of the candidates would be

1. Perth
2. PNG
3. NZ2
4. 5TH QLD Team
5. North Sydney Bears

Did you read mine?

I never said that you said that PNG was a better option than all of those, I said that it's laughable to suggest that they are a better option than any of those.

In other words you're 'ranking' is delusional and any serious person would have PNG in 5th, with or without political influence.

 

[Perth Red]

Did you read mine?

I never said that you said that PNG was a better option than all of those, I said that it's laughable to suggest that they are a better option than any of those.

In other words you're 'ranking' is delusional and any serious person would have PNG in 5th, with or without political influence.

Many people let heart rule head lol. Its impossible t rank bids as there are no bids to rank as there is no call for bids! We can only rank where we might like to see the next club.

Mine would be:
Perth
NZ2
PNG
Adelaide
Brisbane3
NSW region Bears

of the areas that seemingly might be on the table

 

[The Great Dane]

Such a shame the World League never took off for NFL. I used to go to London Monarchs games at Wembley and it was awesome and the best opportunity of American football to become a globally played sport rather than just a TV product. They should have stuck with it!

It was before it's time and way too expensive to maintain.

If they tried it now it'd be much more successful, but they seem to be more interested in taking the cheaper route of eventually including British and European teams in the NFL, which makes sense to be honest.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a European conference in the long term, but to be clear that'd be decades away.

I wouldn't be surprised to see other NFL affiliated pro American football leagues pop-up around the world in the future either. They're already investing heavily in certain target markets, including Australia BTW.

 

[Perth Red]

It was before it's time and way too expensive to maintain.

If they tried it now it'd be much more successful, but they seem to be more interested in taking the cheaper route of eventually including British and European teams in the NFL, which makes sense to be honest.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a European conference in the long term, but to be clear that'd be decades away.

I wouldn't be surprised to see other NFL affiliated pro American football leagues pop-up around the world in the future either. They're already investing heavily in certain target markets, including Australia BTW.

Yeh, it worked well in Europe but the American teams didn't work so well and the TV didn't want to buy it which was a real shame. It was hugely ambitious!

I remember when the news came out Ellery Hanley was going to play running back for the Monarchs!, never happened though. One of my fondest sports memories was going to London for my 21st birthday and going to the world bowl to watch the Monarchs beat Barcelona Dragons 21-0! Was over 60k at the game!
I've still got my Monarchs cap and jersey somewhere lol.

 

[Wb1234]

Many people let heart rule head lol. Its impossible t rank bids as there are no bids to rank as there is no call for bids! We can only rank where we might like to see the next club.

Mine would be:
Perth
NZ2
PNG
Adelaide
Brisbane3
NSW region Bears

of the areas that seemingly might be on the table

Hahhha

talks about not letting the heart rule the head then puts Perth first

good to see you had png so high on the list !

 

[Perth Red]

Hahhha

talks about not letting the heart rule the head then puts Perth first

I didn't say you shouldn't, I said many do lol

Like I said there are no bids so you cant rank on merit, only on location you'd like to see club 18 placed. All the possible real expansion spots carry different pros and cons, on balance I'd say Perth still offers more for the long term future of the game and chance of sustainability than the others, but yes I am totally biased!

 

[Wb1234]

It all comes down to sky nz. If they increase their tv rights even by ten million pa then nz2 is next

if for whatever reason sky don’t increase at all and Perth come up with a killer bid then there’s a chance they take their spot. But it’s nz2 to lose they are strong favourites

but for the arlc it’s all about Looking at risk vs reward

nz2 will most likely be next (riksier option) but paid for by sky nz and a strong dolphins coming before them

then they will play it safe and go western Brisbane (Ipswich etc) as by then the dolphins will be well established and the population of Around Logan Springfield Ipswich will have grown a lot

then again this will open up the way for Perth given they would be the rikisest team out of all of those mentioned but the arlc would’ve added many stronger clubs to support this risk

anything over 20 the risks vs reward isn’t as good as the above.

obviously png Adelaide and central coast are possibilities

 

[Colk]

Short answer; self interest.

Longer answer; the Sydney-centric nature of the leadership of this sport whom seem incapable of considering, or frankly caring, about the broader impact on the sport outside of Sydney, unless it directly benefits their clubs, have pressured for things to move in the direction of a reserve grade because they believe it's in their best interests.

Besides, the most successful clubs of the NRL era haven't. Both the Storm and Roosters are doing just fine with their affiliates like they always have.

It's amazing that it's so easy for you to lie yourself like that.

I honestly can't imagine being so intellectually dishonest.

LOL, WTF are you talking about... The only person talking about the NFL, or 'feeder systems' in general in America, is you.

Spring leagues are attempts to create professional football leagues in the NFL's offseason, where there's a giant dead space where such a product should be highly successful in the football mad US, but so far have failed for a handful of reasons. The main reason they fail (the original USFL and XFL 2020, being the only exceptions) is because the standard of play and player has been too low to hold the average pro football fan's interest.

BTW, NFL clubs don't have 'feeder clubs'. It's the nature of the platoon system and the hyper specialisation of most positions that they don't need them. However MLB, NHL, and the NBA all have minor leagues, and their players do move between the main roster and their various affiliate teams regularly.

Only because PVL forced them.

The Raiders were all set to find an affiliate in the local region (probably Goulburn or Wagga) to launch a new NSW Cup side, until V'landy's begged and pleaded for them to launch their own NSW Cup side so he could 'give the fans what they want' by having three games on gameday. In the end they only agreed because he gives them an extra grant to cover the difference in cost.

So instead of the Southern Tablelands or Riverina having their own team that could have been used to help promoted the sport in the region, and probably would have been a reasonable draw in it's own right, Canberra has another team that plays in front of empty grandstands...

What a great outcome for the game when this is happening in the region. You realise that the policies you're supporting are partly responsible for that decline right?

Pretty much agree with everything.

The idea that each team has to have a reserve grade team is the embodiment of a solution looking for a problem. It is also, as you said, so incapable of seeing the effect that it will cause to the game outside of Sydney, it is to the point of wilful ignorance.

We should be looking at a national second tier competition and base it broadly around the NSW and QLD Cups. You can include a team each from WA, SA and Vic as well as from country NSW regions like the Riverina, or Northern NSW etc and even PNG, Fiji and some NZ teams. You can split it into conferences and then they can play in an overall final series. I would also remove any monikers/brands/regions from the NRL so no Dolphins in the QLD Cup and no Rabbitohs, Raiders etc in the NSW Cup.