18th club, whose next?

[Perth Red]

That would be if the SkyNZ increase is determinant on club 18 being in NZ. They just increased it significantly without that being a consideration. It would also be on if the Australian Tv companies, who pay by far the most of the deal, want another low drawing NZ team or would prefer an Australian team that at least has a chance of increasing audiences for them.

Then it will come down to two things. Financial sustainability and Jnr development. I would suggest Perth is likely to be strong in the former and NZ2 in the latter. Which is the biggest priority for the ARLC is anyone's guess.

 

[Perth Red]

Pretty much agree with everything.

The idea that each team has to have a reserve grade team is the embodiment of a solution looking for a problem. It is also, as you said, so incapable of seeing the effect that it will cause to the game outside of Sydney, it is to the point of wilful ignorance.

We should be looking at a national second tier competition and base it broadly around the NSW and QLD Cups. You can include a team each from WA, SA and Vic as well as from country NSW regions like the Riverina, or Northern NSW etc and even PNG, Fiji and some NZ teams. You can split it into conferences and then they can play in an overall final series. I would also remove any monikers/brands/regions from the NRL so no Dolphins in the QLD Cup and no Rabbitohs, Raiders etc in the NSW Cup.

So where do NRL squad players 19-33 play? How iwll other clubs in this second tier compete with clubs that are aligned and full of NRL contracted players? How will non aligned clubs keep their best players when they want to go play for a NRl aligned club as its best chance of an NRL contract? That's the big problem of running a second tier that also doubles up as a reserve grade.

 

[Colk]

So where do NRL squad players 19-33 play? How iwll other clubs in this second tier compete with clubs that are aligned and full of NRL contracted players? How will non aligned clubs keep their best players when they want to go play for a NRl aligned club as its best chance of an NRL contract? That's the big problem of running a second tier that also doubles up as a reserve grade.

A minor league set up if you will probably would only work if we had a national competition.

Broadly speaking, it could essentially work as the QLD Cup does now, so players 19-33 would be split amongst the affiliate teams. The NSW Cup would essentially just have the Bears, Magpies, Newtown and Illawarra plus other regions in NSW like Riverina, Central West, Northern NSW etc. You could also put teams in WA, SA and Vic into the NSW Cup. Maybe even the Silktails and a couple of NZ teams.

These conferences would essentially just run like their own competitions until a top 4 is selected for the finals between the two conferences and a Super Bowl style final.

 

[Wb1234]

That would be if the SkyNZ increase is determinant on club 18 being in NZ. They just increased it significantly without that being a consideration. It would also be on if the Australian Tv companies, who pay by far the most of the deal, want another low drawing NZ team or would prefer an Australian team that at least has a chance of increasing audiences for them.

Then it will come down to two things. Financial sustainability and Jnr development. I would suggest Perth is likely to be strong in the former and NZ2 in the latter. Which is the biggest priority for the ARLC is anyone's guess.

The warriors aren’t a low drawing team in Australia.

Aussie tv are getting a 9th game regardless.

sky nz aren’t paying more if they expand to Perth lol

on financial sustainability the arlc has to move to giving expansion teams a higher grant is say 1 million pa to help level the playing field

 

[Pippen94]

Did you read my post - see the following extract- I have PNG as number 2- Politics will come into this decision and I don't mean NRL politics either

My ranking of the candidates would be

1. Perth
2. PNG
3. NZ2
4. 5TH QLD Team
5. North Sydney Bears

North Sydney is probably the most lucrative market there

 

[Perth Red]

The warriors aren’t a low drawing team in Australia.

Aussie tv are getting a 9th game regardless.

sky nz aren’t paying more if they expand to Perth lol

on financial sustainability the arlc has to move to giving expansion teams a higher grant is say 1 million pa to help level the playing field

They clearly are. Last place in combined viewing and in foxtel viewing.

2020 NRL TV Ratings - Sports Industry AU

The 2020 NRL season totaled 70.2 million viewers across the Nine Network and Foxleague, up 0.35% on the first 20 rounds of 2019, but down 20.4% on the 2019 total. More matches were played compared to the first 20 rounds of last year, leading to an average of 439,000, down 4.6% on the first 20...

www.footyindustry.com

skynz only increased due to competition from streaming, theres nothing to say they’ll increase again for another nz club.

I agree, no business in its right mind has start up areas that don’t have extra investment to get them functioning well. All well and good if there’s a pokie den to cover that, but if not then who? Maybe rich owners or maybe we have another titans.

 

[Perth Red]

North Sydney is probably the most lucrative market there

what do you mean by “lucrative”?

 

[Colk]

what do you mean by “lucrative”?

The lucrative Sydney market that needs ten teams apparently

 

[Pippen94]

what do you mean by “lucrative”?

Money

 

[Colk]

Money

As an area, yes there is plenty of money but when you have nine other sides in the vicinity, it is no longer lucrative. Simple supply and demand

 

[reanimate]

North Sydney is probably the most lucrative market there

Very lucrative, but doesn’t need another team to cover it. It needs reorganisation of the governing bodies in the area and existing NRL resources directed to cover it.

 

[Wb1234]

They clearly are. Last place in combined viewing and in foxtel viewing.

2020 NRL TV Ratings - Sports Industry AU

The 2020 NRL season totaled 70.2 million viewers across the Nine Network and Foxleague, up 0.35% on the first 20 rounds of 2019, but down 20.4% on the 2019 total. More matches were played compared to the first 20 rounds of last year, leading to an average of 439,000, down 4.6% on the first 20...

www.footyindustry.com

skynz only increased due to competition from streaming, theres nothing to say they’ll increase again for another nz club.

I agree, no business in its right mind has start up areas that don’t have extra investment to get them functioning well. All well and good if there’s a pokie den to cover that, but if not then who? Maybe rich owners or maybe we have another titans.Very lucrative, but doesn’t need another team to cover it. It needs reorganisation of the governing bodies in the area and existing NRL resources directed to cover it.

Before you worry about taking their area how about manly cover more of the northern beaches first ?

 

[reanimate]

Before you worry about taking their area how about manly cover more of the northern beaches first ?

We cover the whole area?

 

[Pippen94]

As an area, yes there is plenty of money but when you have nine other sides in the vicinity, it is no longer lucrative. Simple supply and demand

More ppl in north Sydney would get behind nrl team than ppl would in perth

 

[Pippen94]

Very lucrative, but doesn’t need another team to cover it. It needs reorganisation of the governing bodies in the area and existing NRL resources directed to cover it.

Best thing for manly would to have their main rival back. Look what parra & Penrith do each time they play.

 

[Perth Red]

Money

You think there’s more money in north Sydney than in WA? Lol
we are the dubai of the southern hemisphere

 

[Perth Red]

More ppl in north Sydney would get behind nrl team than ppl would in perth

How do you know?

 

[Wb1234]

We cover the whole area?

let’s see with the new stadium if manly can ave

Best thing for manly would to have their main rival back. Look what parra & Penrith do each time they play.

central coast bears brings back not only the manly rivalry it was also be massive vs Newcastle

central coast will end up with a team it’s a matter of when. The population just keeps growing.

it’s easy for fans to travel on the train from Sydney or Newcastle and has a picturesque and amazing ground

 

[Perth Red]

Best thing for manly would to have their main rival back. Look what parra & Penrith do each time they play.

2019. penrith v parra 12,600.
2018 parra v panther 14,000
Yep massive lol

 

[Wb1234]

2019. penrith v parra 12,600.
2018 parra v panther 14,000
Yep massive lol

Cherry picking seems to be your expertise