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What's the go Webcke?

Loudstrat

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He didn't come clean at the time, did he. And an idiot doctor? Pu-leez!

Starting to sound more and more like a typical Qld hypocrite.
 

Pierced Soul

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fairly certain dean pay tested positive to something in flu medicine whilst on a kangaroo tour which was inadvertantly prescribed by a doctor, doesnt make him a cheat....

as for the joey thing, everyones got an opinion and getting prescribed the wrong drug versus going out of your way to get off your head is a different thing entirely.

Johns drug taking seems to be well known amongst those in the league fraternity as evident by his run in with meninga and walter regarding his behaviour many years earlier. i think even roy masters said it was well known. joey came clean cos he got caught. he coudl have said 'it's my first' but then perhaps the whispers form those in the know would have become deafening.


i'm always in two minds about whetehr a pleyrs behaviour should be taken into account with their standing in the game. i think webcke said several years ago he felt a legend has to be more than just what they do on the field.

didnt a AFL player not go into their hall of fame becuaase of drugs use and his g/f or hooker dying of an od whilst with him? (ablett?)

lets put it this way, lets say player X is a great player and a chance to be an immortal. lets say after his career he kills his wife and kids and gets jailed. despite his skill on the field, would you want him as an immortal?
 

Johns Magic

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lets put it this way, lets say player X is a great player and a chance to be an immortal. lets say after his career he kills his wife and kids and gets jailed. despite his skill on the field, would you want him as an immortal?

That's a pretty big stretch from doing some recreational drugs at parties.
 
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Yes but, hmmmm.

If the broncos players involved can't handle an opinion, then they are wimps too.

I say let the book come out, and seriously, does webke really get on your nerves so much because of what he said?

I would never let 2 of my hormone-raging buddies near any girl i was chatting up/feeling up in a dirty public toilet, irrespective of whether she wanted them there or not....boyz when you have 'power' over a women in this situation, use it wisely, and demand isolation (and not in a dirty public toilet). But just goes to show, she actually had the 'power' over you. The power of attraction.

The whole incident reeked of lameness to me.

Let the book roll.

I am sure all Shane needs to do is have a discussion with the players involved. Its a book, its meant to sell, dont shed a tear, you did what you did, I felt what I felt....I care about winning/losing now, I am on the staff after all...etc, etc

Get over it!!!


 

Pierced Soul

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That's a pretty big stretch from doing some recreational drugs at parties.

it's a long bow alright, the principle and the question remains the same, how much should off field activites affect a players (past/present)standing in the game? where's the line? people say carney should never be re-registered others think he hasnt done anything major. what if he had hit someone whislt he was driving drunk/suspended?
 

Johns Magic

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it's a long bow alright, the principle and the question remains the same, how much should off field activites affect a players (past/present)standing in the game? where's the line? people say carney should never be re-registered others think he hasnt done anything major. what if he had hit someone whislt he was driving drunk/suspended?

I'd consider drunk driving worse than taking recreational drugs even if no one was hurt.

Really, what Johns did wasn't hurting society or putting anyone but himself at risk. That's why I don't have a big issue with it.
 

sharko

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This has been a cynical marketing ploy by Webcke, nothing more.
He can jam his holier than thou attitude up his big tail..he got caught taking a banned substance, it could well been habit for him in his playing days.
What these former players will do to stay in news nowadays!
 

Shorty

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Really, what Johns did wasn't hurting society or putting anyone but himself at risk. That's why I don't have a big issue with it.
So one of rugby league's best players ever and I'd say a large amount of kids' hero validating drug use isn't hurting society?
 

Johns Magic

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So one of rugby league's best players ever and I'd say a large amount of kids' hero validating drug use isn't hurting society?

Do you really think teenagers are gonna run out and pop eccies because of what Johns did?

Recreational drugs are huge and that's the way society is. What Johns did has no impact on that. Kids look to sportstars as role models on the field, they don't try and emulate what they do in their free time.

Do you really think all the dealers out there were thinking "great, Andrew Johns just got caught with a pinga, sales are gonna go through the roof!"?
 

Shorty

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How do you know this?
You're naive if you honestly think his drug taking hasn't impacted.
 

Johns Magic

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How do you know this?

How do I know what?

You're naive if you honestly think his drug taking hasn't impacted.

No, you're naive if you think people wouldn't do drugs if it wasn't for Andrew Johns. A teenager on a night out isn't even going to think of him when they're offered a pill. Drugs were huge well before Andrew Johns was caught, he hasn't turned a generation of kids onto them.
 

Shorty

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Do you really think teenagers are gonna run out and pop eccies because of what Johns did?

Recreational drugs are huge and that's the way society is. What Johns did has no impact on that. Kids look to sportstars as role models on the field, they don't try and emulate what they do in their free time.

Do you really think all the dealers out there were thinking "great, Andrew Johns just got caught with a pinga, sales are gonna go through the roof!"?

How do I know what?
Well, you appear to be ruling out any possibility of Joey having an influence.
No, you're naive if you think people wouldn't do drugs if it wasn't for Andrew Johns. A teenager on a night out isn't even going to think of him when they're offered a pill. Drugs were huge well before Andrew Johns was caught, he hasn't turned a generation of kids onto them.
I'm pretty sure I never said any of the above.

But you said that Joey didn't hurt society - Which isn't really appropriate for you to say, since you really don't know that.
For some kids, on national television Joey coming clean about drugs will be instilled on their minds and will hear people talk about it.
You can't possibly tell me it had no impact.

Obviously, I realise that drugs are a huge problem in society but one of Rugby League's biggest representatives and heros admitting to taking illicit substances certainly isn't going to not have an impact.
 

Johns Magic

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Well, you appear to be ruling out any possibility of Joey having an influence.

Joey got absolutely slammed for it in the media. He spoke about how it wrecked his life, and how much he regretted it. I think kids that were always against drugs would have been even more scared off them.

Kids that took drugs after the Johns thing were always going to take drugs regardless of what Johns did. A teenager who would take drugs because Johns did it is going to do drugs first because his mates do it.

If you're suggesting that kids might see drugs as safe because he used them, then I really don't think you're aware of the extent to which drugs are used already. A teenager will know dozens of other teenagers who've used them multiple times with no ill-effects besides the come-down.

But you said that Joey didn't hurt society - Which isn't really appropriate for you to say, since you really don't know that.

For some kids, on national television Joey coming clean about drugs will be instilled on their minds and will hear people talk about it.
You can't possibly tell me it had no impact.

I know I obviously can't speak for the whole of Australia, but as a sporty 19 year old male myself, I think I and the people I go out with would be considered part of the demographic that one would think would be affected most.

I can tell you, my friends and my opinion on drugs didn't change after Johns came clean. No one has ever said "Joey did pingas so I wanna try one." Everyone had forgotten about the whole saga a week later. The people that already did drugs kept doing them, and those who didn't do them didn't.

There aren't suddenly more drugs out on the street because of Johns. It's not as if they're now more readily available. And the reasons kids take drugs(the effect, peer pressure) haven't changed either.

Obviously, I realise that drugs are a huge problem in society but one of Rugby League's biggest representatives and heros admitting to taking illicit substances certainly isn't going to not have an impact.

I'm sure it wouldn't help, but Johns isn't the first and won't be the last sportstar to be caught doing recreational drugs. Thousands of people would be on them in Kings Cross every weekend. The drugs epidemic is much bigger than a football player.
 

Ghoulies

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Tangled Webcke halts pulping of book

Glenn Jackson | March 26, 2009

SO THE pulp is fiction. Back-tracking like he never did in 254 matches in the front row for Brisbane, retired international Shane Webcke yesterday admitted he had performed a remarkable about-face by overturning his decision to pulp his controversial book, and then apologised to the public - as well as the three players he singled out for criticism in its pages - for doing so.
After the storm that was created yesterday over his plans to buy out the copyright for his book, Hard Road: Tough Thoughts on a Tough Game, potentially forking out more than $150,000 to do so, Webcke opted yesterday to have the full version released as originally planned. Before that, he will apologise personally to two players - Karmichael Hunt and Sam Thaiday - on the training paddock, and to former Bronco Darius Boyd, now at the Dragons, by phone for "dredging up" an incident in which they were allegedly involving last year.
"I left a message with Sam Thaiday and I will speak with all of them," Webcke said. "I'm a man, I'm going to go straight to them. I do owe them an apology. What more could I have done though? I was busy trying to stop it, and I've made it a lot worse - I've got to live with that.
"Looking at it now, I made a mistake, but it was a mistake made for the right reasons."
Webcke vehemently denied the pulping of the pulping was a publicity stunt, saying he only had second thoughts about publication of the book on Monday afternoon, and "panicked" after seeing it in hard copy for the first time. Webcke finished the manuscript last year, but is now employed by the Broncos as an assistant coach and feared a backlash for criticising the club's handling of the scandal involving the players.
Webcke said he did not sleep at all on Monday night before phoning the publishers the next day. "I just didn't want to bring all that up again," he said. "The players have paid their dues on this. They'll be filthy on me, and I don't blame them. If they want to tell me to go and get stuffed and never want to talk to me again … I'll deal with it.
"The club weathered that storm. I'm not worried about what I said. They know I thought that. It's just that it's being dredged up again."
Webcke told the Herald last night he had spoken to his former coach Wayne Bennett about his fears about the book's publication, and showed Brisbane chief executive Bruno Cullen the finished product on Tuesday. Cullen later phoned to tell him not to have the book pulped.


Webcke, a former Queensland and Australian representative who retired following a grand final win in 2006, conceded he was also concerned about chapters detailing why former Newcastle halfback Andrew Johns should not have been chosen in last year's Team of the Century.
He said he had told Johns - through the former Blues star's biographer Neil Cadigan - to phone him should he have any issue with what he wrote. "He's a mate of mine," Webcke said. "He's my sort of bloke. He enjoys a drink … and I never set out to actually put sh*t on anybody."
He added that he was no "paragon of virtue" and that, "I didn't want to put myself in some exultant position in running judgments on people."
Webcke said he simply thought he could "ring up, flick a book and everyone would respect that", but admitted he was "naive".
He maintained he was prepared to pay for the pulping of the book, but reversed the decision after newspapers published excerpts of it, saying he had "lost control of my work".
"I had the money organised," he said. "I still would have gone ahead with it had the material not made the paper. People will think I've just gone, 'Bugger this, I'll save some money,' but that's just sh*t.
"People will see it as a backflip, and it is. I'll take the medicine. I thought it was for the right reasons. Anyone who knows me knows my life doesn't hinge on whether I sell 10 million copies of of this book. I'm still feeling crook in the guts about this, what I've put them through. I'm a member of the coaching staff now. Put yourself in my shoes.
"As for a publicity stunt, I defy anyone to live with what I've been through. It isn't worth it, and I really think a lot of people will be turned off buying it."
http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news/webcke-in-a-tangle/2009/03/25/1237656994273.html?page=2
 

Loudstrat

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lets put it this way, lets say player X is a great player and a chance to be an immortal. lets say after his career he kills his wife and kids and gets jailed. despite his skill on the field, would you want him as an immortal?

So taking an E is akin to killing your wife and kids now?

FFS the Johns haters will argue anything!

If Webcke is so adamant that Joey should not be in the TOTC, then can he explain how he condones a man who walked through Leeds naked, while representing Australia? Or condones a man who got sent off so many times that it became folklore - including twice on one test match? Not to mentioned the drunken nights and boozy days that half of 'em had. Or a bloke who stated that he got nothing from the game.

If Johns was a queenslander, the likes of Webcke should hero worship him.

webke=pussy

then not one.

He's not.

And that's after an edit????????????????

What was it like before you edited it???????????????
 

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