Wheres Your Loyalty?

[TigerLoyalty]

Ah the good old "I'm a supporter" throw away line. Geez it took longer than I thought.

If wanting the best for my team is "whinging" and classified as not supporting then I will whinge, whinge and whinge until I have no voice left. BTW I am a season ticket holder, just so you know.

I look forward to you defending Sheens again when we miss the semi finals YET AGAIN this year. I'm glad you find Sheens' mesmerising decisions entertaining, personally I find them frustrating, tired, outdated and pathetic, just like the man himself.

See evidence above.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

You dont give us a chance of making the 8. Why bother supporting us - our club doesnt need people like you!

"If you always do what you always did then you always get what you always got."

 

[Tiger Hawk]

I wanna know which muppet from the other forum this is....come on buddy, fess up - who are you?

 

[westie]

Not sure if it's been brought up yet. But what is the time limit on being happy with 2005.

5 years? 10? 50? How long should Sheens be able to ride that premiership?

 

[TigerLoyalty]

Loosing is part of the game champ get use to it. You win some you loose some. You make the right decisions you make the wrong decisions.

Im not perfect.

Neither is he.

Nor are the players.

Support is always there regardless of how they play or who plays. Thats my attitude. Thats my team.

 

[TigerLoyalty]

Not sure if it's been brought up yet. But what is the time limit on being happy with 2005.

5 years? 10? 50? How long should Sheens be able to ride that premiership?

Im happy to see my team go around champ.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Not sure if it's been brought up yet. But what is the time limit on being happy with 2005.

5 years? 10? 50? How long should Sheens be able to ride that premiership?

You'll never get an answer from the simpletons.

 

[Magpies Forever]

I feel very dissapointed. But thats what each of you guys feel like in Round 1.

I've stayed out of the slanging match but I would suggest that you look at this groups comments in the lead up to the season- generally we (most of us) were positive about the recruitment, looking forward to the season and hoping for the 'turnaround'.

Granted, we were disturbed by the single-mindedness of Sheens regarding Lui before the season had even started when last years efforts were not good (but Lui is a great trainer and hence no one else could get a shot until he gets himself injured). We were also wary of the signing of Cayless & Tupou from England after supposedly career ending injuries- guess what? Career ending injuries in England remain career ending injuries in Australia. Neither have been able to provide what they should have to the team. BUT, most of us were still hopeful.

Anyway, I still hope WT do well - its just I have absolutely no faith in the coaching team and, if the team does perform well, part of me thinks its in spite of Teflon not because of him. Too many of his decisions and actions are absoutely unfathonable and more a sign of pigheadedness than clear, rational considered opinion.

I support WT and the players (yes, even Fitzhenry), I do not support Sheens / Simmons. Faith in the coaching team disappeared long ago.

 

[TigerLoyalty]

See evidence above.

Sorry Magpies Forever I dont mean you when I say that comment.

This guy is so negative it cuts me to hear a supporter say that about the Tigs.

 

[Magpies Forever]

no probs- we can all disagree at times. There are strongly held opinions out there as you can see but I do think the one thing that we all agree on is we want to see WT do well. Damn lots of disagreement on how - but thats part of the fun of a forum.

 

[madunit]

TigerLoyalty, if all the idiots from all the villages were rounded up and put together in their own village.

In that village full of idiots, you would be the village idiot.

 

[matty-ducati]

Sorry Magpies Forever I dont mean you when I say that comment.

This guy is so negative it cuts me to hear a supporter say that about the Tigs.

Maybe it cuts us to have u say what happened to our loyalty? who the f**k are you to question any of us?

 

[Vic Mackey]

Tiger loyalty is obviously a pisstake, all his points and even his name are too cliche

someone has way too much tine on their hands....

 

[N.C.]

Pisstake or not, this is a pretty good thread. It's a shame that the same tired old lines have to be brought out every time a hater-hater comes into the forum, but it's good to have them all nicely summarised in this discussion.

I'm going to take it further, and summarise the problem with Sheens in a single throwaway statement: we are over-coached by a perfectionist.

All the problems that have been raised in this thread stem from this. He's coaching a team of players, not players in a team. Any player who has not regularly trained in their position with the side will struggle to fit in or fill another position. This is why he reshuffles players rather than bring in "specialists" who aren't familiar with "how the team is supposed to work". Even players who do train with the side but don't "gel" with his style will struggle - as was the case with Matty Head (did someone ask who else would play halfback when J-Mo was in the side?) And when an A-list player goes down, the whole team starts to fall apart, and it's too late to start again from scratch.

Sheens doesn't coach to a game plan. He coaches a high performance machine. When it fires, it is beautiful to watch. But when you lose one of your precision parts it can be hard to find a replacement. Moving things around tends to minimise the impact, but it wont solve your problem. Your problem is unsolveable - you are coaching a side in a 30 week competition where injuries are the norm and your depth will always be tested, but you're coaching it like you're entering an annual drag race event. Death or glory. You miss your shot, you've got another year to spend tweaking the machine, trying to toughen it up and iron out the kinks, before having another crack at it next year...

Meanwhile everyone else is running an old jalopy with a few good modifications and some high octane fuel - nothing that can't be replaced if it breaks down.

It's like that old saying - you put all your eggs in one basket and the basket breaks, you're f*cked. It's too late for Sheens to go back to the drawing board with Wests Tigers, which is what needs to happen. It's time he let someone else come in and simplify our game. Time to turn the delicate Ferrari into a robust Ford.

 

[Radical Rat]

Pisstake or not, this is a pretty good thread. It's a shame that the same tired old lines have to be brought out every time a hater-hater comes into the forum, but it's good to have them all nicely summarised in this discussion.

I'm going to take it further, and summarise the problem with Sheens in a single throwaway statement: we are over-coached by a perfectionist.

All the problems that have been raised in this thread stem from this. He's coaching a team of players, not players in a team. Any player who has not regularly trained in their position with the side will struggle to fit in or fill another position. This is why he reshuffles players rather than bring in "specialists" who aren't familiar with "how the team is supposed to work". Even players who do train with the side but don't "gel" with his style will struggle - as was the case with Matty Head (did someone ask who else would play halfback when J-Mo was in the side?) And when an A-list player goes down, the whole team starts to fall apart, and it's too late to start again from scratch.

Sheens doesn't coach to a game plan. He coaches a high performance machine. When it fires, it is beautiful to watch. But when you lose one of your precision parts it can be hard to find a replacement. Moving things around tends to minimise the impact, but it wont solve your problem. Your problem is unsolveable - you are coaching a side in a 30 week competition where injuries are the norm and your depth will always be tested, but you're coaching it like you're entering an annual drag race event. Death or glory. You miss your shot, you've got another year to spend tweaking the machine, trying to toughen it up and iron out the kinks, before having another crack at it next year...

Meanwhile everyone else is running an old jalopy with a few good modifications and some high octane fuel - nothing that can't be replaced if it breaks down.

It's like that old saying - you put all your eggs in one basket and the basket breaks, you're f*cked. It's too late for Sheens to go back to the drawing board with Wests Tigers, which is what needs to happen. It's time he let someone else come in and simplify our game. Time to turn the delicate Ferrari into a robust Ford.

I'm loving the Ferrari/Ford analogy. This sums up how I feel 100%. I just want to compete like a normal side. I'm sick of being so fragile.

With most teams (Dragons, Storm, Dogs) their fans know that if the other side doesn't turn up they will more often than not win. Us Tigers fans just don't have that luxury at all.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Pisstake or not, this is a pretty good thread. It's a shame that the same tired old lines have to be brought out every time a hater-hater comes into the forum, but it's good to have them all nicely summarised in this discussion.

I'm going to take it further, and summarise the problem with Sheens in a single throwaway statement: we are over-coached by a perfectionist.

All the problems that have been raised in this thread stem from this. He's coaching a team of players, not players in a team. Any player who has not regularly trained in their position with the side will struggle to fit in or fill another position. This is why he reshuffles players rather than bring in "specialists" who aren't familiar with "how the team is supposed to work". Even players who do train with the side but don't "gel" with his style will struggle - as was the case with Matty Head (did someone ask who else would play halfback when J-Mo was in the side?) And when an A-list player goes down, the whole team starts to fall apart, and it's too late to start again from scratch.

Sheens doesn't coach to a game plan. He coaches a high performance machine. When it fires, it is beautiful to watch. But when you lose one of your precision parts it can be hard to find a replacement. Moving things around tends to minimise the impact, but it wont solve your problem. Your problem is unsolveable - you are coaching a side in a 30 week competition where injuries are the norm and your depth will always be tested, but you're coaching it like you're entering an annual drag race event. Death or glory. You miss your shot, you've got another year to spend tweaking the machine, trying to toughen it up and iron out the kinks, before having another crack at it next year...

Meanwhile everyone else is running an old jalopy with a few good modifications and some high octane fuel - nothing that can't be replaced if it breaks down.

It's like that old saying - you put all your eggs in one basket and the basket breaks, you're f*cked. It's too late for Sheens to go back to the drawing board with Wests Tigers, which is what needs to happen. It's time he let someone else come in and simplify our game. Time to turn the delicate Ferrari into a robust Ford.

Great post. You've made some excellent points.

 

[westie]

Nice points, have to agree with all of it.

It's always been "my way, or the highway" with sheens. Even when Mat Head was laying on more trys doing his own thing than Sheens' boys were doing with years of cohesion.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Nice points, have to agree with all of it.

It's always been "my way, or the highway" with sheens. Even when Mat Head was laying on more trys doing his own thing than Sheens' boys were doing with years of cohesion.

I particularly laughed when after two games Mathew Head had more try assists than John Morris managed in two years.

My way or the highway is a fine attitude to have, but not when what you are doing is clearly not working and all you do is repeat, repeat, repeat the same mistakes over and over again - for the same results of course. Sheens is a dinosaur and his modern day record (post Raiders) is pathetic reading.

 

[Vic Mackey]

I particularly laughed when after two games Mathew Head had more try assists than John Morris managed in two years.

My way or the highway is a fine attitude to have, but not when what you are doing is clearly not working and all you do is repeat, repeat, repeat the same mistakes over and over again - for the same results of course. Sheens is a dinosaur and his modern day record (post Raiders) is pathetic reading.

its sad to say but the best we have looked since winning the comp was when benji and farah were out and matt head was completely running the show. i was stoked and couldnt wait until he could link up with farah/head.

but then when they came back head wandered round the field like a stranger and touched the ball about 5 times a game.

NC is 100% right, sheens coachs a team. he has about 20 players he likes and if 1 goes down he replaces them with 1 of those 20. it doesnt matter if a halfback gets injured and there isnt another halfback in his little group, he'll just bring a winger in and move the others around to accomodate this.

i was speaking with nick graham a few years back at the races and he said he hated his time with the tigers. he had a clash with a senior player (who has since retired) and since this player was part of sheens little group graham was outcast for the rest of his time here. Graham even tried to sort it out with said player and sheens but they weren't interested.

now im not saying nick graham should have been in first grade, however he was on over $200k with us and was wasting away in reserve grade because of one little blow up with one of sheens golden childs.

actually f*ck it, the other player was scott sattler.

 

[westie]

Re: the Canberra wins... I found it interesting that the Raiders were further over the cap in percentage terms than Melbourne are now. Take those cheating seasons out and what's his record look like?