18th club, whose next?

[AlwaysGreen]

No history after 94 either

so basically five good years then nothing

You're a club whore. That's a history to be proud of.

 

[Vee]

For me the jets are better than the bears because there should be no requirements for sydney home games but we also don't need another blue side tbh.

Best case is for perth to get their own team, own brand but also the pirates just aint it either. Has to be something different to that.

Western Reds perhaps?

 

[Iamback]

I doubt the vast majority of targeted audience of the Perth Bears will even be aware of the Sydney links at first.

The ones that already know about it aren’t the target audience.

Correct. It has been 25 years since they have been in the top grade

 

[BuffaloRules]

is the nrl getting genuinely cold feet about png now ? Or is this a bargaining ploy to get more money out of the feds

This article refers to the Commission meeting in Melbourne on the 26th June as deciding on a “bidding process” whilst the Telegraph article about the Perth Jets is a bit more bullish suggesting that they will “finalise their plans for the future “…

Im going to suggest the Telegraph article might have a lot of the Journalist presenting his gut feels as facts …

 

[Matt_CBY]

Thanks for your concerns, Manly’s in the NRL, we’re not going anywhere.

What is a concern is WA being done right, not having the Bears bail on it for QLD if they feel the going get tough there.

Outside of some comment on a LU forum, what comment from an official makes you think the Bears are looking to move to QLD after WA?

omg, it’s gone from “they just want Perth to agitate to love back to Sydney” now to move to QLD.

Such shit talk

 

[Wb1234]

This article refers to the Commission meeting in Melbourne on the 26th June as deciding on a “bidding process” whilst the Telegraph article about the Perth Jets is a bit more bullish suggesting that they will “finalise their plans for the future “…

Im going to suggest the Telegraph article might have a lot of the Journalist presenting his gut feels as facts …

Can you post the Perth jets article I can’t find it

pvl leaks to news ltd so these things ususally have some legs

 

[Iamback]

Instantly the talent pool for SG Ball will double with decreased loses to Union and players moving interstate.

The inclusion of a HM team will improve their skill development and S&C.

SG Ball will have no issue being competitive in 3-5 years.

Fiji have been garbage in Flegg. That is after several years of been in higher grades

There is no way a competitive team will come from WA players alone. The playing numbers just aren't there.

Say we have a 2027 start date.

You are looking at players 15-17 as being targets.

Not sure there are 60 of them lying around, Need to get into schools and build slowly

 

[Pj,Rj,Hj]

I doubt the vast majority of targeted audience of the Perth Bears will even be aware of the Sydney links at first.

The ones that already know about it aren’t the target audience.

They certainly will when they notice and ask why their new team is playing 2 "home games" in Sydney

 

[BuffaloRules]

Can you post the Perth jets article I can’t find it

pvl leaks to news ltd so these things ususally have some legs

The Perth Jets article is quoted in full a page or two back … there is no quotes from PVL

 

[Matt_CBY]

Lets just say, for this example, it takes 10 years for WA pathways to start producing enough quality players in Perth for the bears...

If I was the NRL, I'd let the bears have the Perth licence with the following conditions attached...

- North Sydney premiership history recognised (i.e. swans)

- colours & logo

- They keep their Sydney junior district, but for only 10 years after their readmission. Gives enough time for the Perth pipeline to kick in, then the North Sydney district is divided up by say Manly & Roosters

- They keep their NSO games for 10 years after their readmission. After that, it's 12 games in Perth.

Sounds like a stupid compromise mindset

 

[yakstorm]

So when are Annadale & Glebe expected to be join the Perth bid? Or is the bid team settling with the name North New Perth-town Red Jet Bears?

 

[Matt_CBY]

I would prefer them not to be called the Bears ..but can’t all those things be sorted out in advance ?

It’s not a joint venture if the Bears have zero ownership of the Perth team ..just make sure that is the case and thus there is no reason for the Bears to “white ant “ them .. PVL could even set it in stone that if the team fails they won’t be able to be relocated anywhere in NSW and the Bears nickname will no longer proceed further in the NRL …this could be a condition of the agreement to allow them in… even for the Bears themselves to agree to this …give them an incentive to make this second chance an all or nothing for them ..

The WA government needs to enter into contractual agreements with the NRL that in return for say money to fund their C of E and ground improvements that the NRL agrees to like a 20 year guarantee that they remain in Perth subject to some financial penalty otherwise ..in 20 years time we will know whether the team has worked or not ..

I doubt the potential Perth fans over there would really be resentful about the Bears nickname about a team that hasnt been around for 25 years … a lot wouldnt in fact know anything about their prior history about being a “failed Sydney team”…. It would have no negative meaning to the overwhelming majority of the potential fan base ..

If you think this could be an issue that derails the Perth team‘s future it doesnt say much about the strength of the bid … but ultimately I suspect you are jumping at shadows ..

They wouldn’t be allowed to just get and move without ARLC approval anyway so all this is a moot.

 

[Bukowski]

Fiji have been garbage in Flegg. That is after several years of been in higher grades

There is no way a competitive team will come from WA players alone. The playing numbers just aren't there.

Say we have a 2027 start date.

You are looking at players 15-17 as being targets.

Not sure there are 60 of them lying around, Need to get into schools and build slowly

And slapping a Bears sticker on the club won't change that.

 

[Iamback]

This article refers to the Commission meeting in Melbourne on the 26th June as deciding on a “bidding process” whilst the Telegraph article about the Perth Jets is a bit more bullish suggesting that they will “finalise their plans for the future “…

Im going to suggest the Telegraph article might have a lot of the Journalist presenting his gut feels as facts …

Yeah there were no quotes or anything of substance in it

 

[Matt_CBY]

Five Victorians have played for Melbourne in 27 years and you expect WA to be able to field a whole team or fill a squad in a decade? If there are even two or three West Australians in their NRL team come 2037, they will be doing well.

The difference is that the Storm wasn’t invested in building the Victorian pathways from the beginning. Hopefully Perth will be different.

 

[Dragonwest]

Fiji have been garbage in Flegg. That is after several years of been in higher grades

There is no way a competitive team will come from WA players alone. The playing numbers just aren't there.

Say we have a 2027 start date.

You are looking at players 15-17 as being targets.

Not sure there are 60 of them lying around, Need to get into schools and build slowly

Do Fiji have a EoC and coaching available to the best talent at 15?

If Perth get the right setup sorted I've got no doubt they be more than competitive once the first crop go through the full system.

Our junior reps were already were competitive back in the 90s under the Reds.

 

[Pj,Rj,Hj]

That's a big part of the excitement of starting a new club. Engaging with the community (Perth, not Sydney) in choosing the badge, colours etc.

I do like the pirates though.

Exactly, that process is important in a new club endearing itself with its potential fans base.

I never warmed to the "West Coast Pirates" name, I much prefer "The Reds". I get the logic behind the Pirates name. Kids love them, kids also love Bears and Jets.
If it's the Pirates than wins through, then best they emphasize William Dampier, and not the Batavia Mutineers. The latter don't need trivializing.

All that being said, I'll accept the Jets or the Bears. Just like many I have my apprehensions about the Bears, coming from the rhetoric of V'Landys and the media. This top down imposition, the focus on North Sydney rather than welcoming Perth, and home games in Sydney is not getting this relationship off to a good start.

 

[Matt_CBY]

what the people want!View attachment 89478

Doesn’t matter what people want in polls. How many times did the Central Coast Bears win fan polls.

 

[Iamback]

And slapping a Bears sticker on the club won't change that.

I have already told you this

The Bears have a junior development program though.

What you would do is have the Perth juniors teams running along side that and are getting somewhere.

Doesn't have to be the Bears but an East Coast side as a partnership so Perth NRL side has a say in coaches etc.

Then you double the potential player pool and attract better fringe guys

 

[Centy Coast]

Instantly the talent pool for SG Ball will double with decreased loses to Union and players moving interstate.

The inclusion of a HM team will improve their skill development and S&C.

SG Ball will have no issue being competitive in 3-5 years.

Not really, there is a lot more involved than that, the Sydney Roosters have been involved on the Central Coast since 2014, in that time only one Central Coast player has made his NRL debut through the Roosters system, Sandon Smith, Prop Fletcher Baker is another Central Coast local who made his NRL debut with the Roosters but he came through the Bears NSW Cup as he was older, he is now at the Brisbane Broncos.
The Central Coasts junior nursery is the 3rd largest in NSW, it has produced current players like Nicho Hynes, Daniel & Jacob Saifiti Saifiti, Connor Watson, Jacob Liddle, Scotty Drinkwater, Jack Cogger, Adam Keighran, Tom Starling, Bradman Best, Phoenix Crossland, Ethan Strange, Jesse Ramien played juniors locally from 14/1’s, Latrell Mitchell chose the Coasts rep system before being picked up by the Roosters.
What has happened since a multi million dollar club like the Roosters have gotten their hands on the area, SFA.