18th club, whose next?

[Perth Red]

It’ll more likely be
perth 2028
firehawks 2033
nz2 2038

if at all for 19&20

 

[Wb1234]

The next 3 teams will be WA first, followed by Brisbane3/NZ2. Give time for the Phins to become stablished. By 2032, we could have a 20 team competition

Yes yes yes

and that would blow afl off the park

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Yes yes yes

and that would blow afl off the park

But wait, don't they have a better geographical spread than us?

Wait, no they don't. Out of the top 10 population centres in Aus & NZL, RL is dominant over AFL in more of them.

Sydney - RL dominant
Melbourne - AFL dominant
Brisbane - RL dominant
Perth - AFL dominant
Auckland - RL dominant
Adelaide - AFL dominant
Gold Coast - RL dominant
Newcastle - RL dominant
Canberra - RL dominant
Sunshine Coast - RL dominant

As the world increasingly moves to streaming (be it FTA streaming or paid services) and you can more accurately measure views, it will be eyeballs on screens that count, not archaic guestimating based on 5 capital city models. AFL don't dominate the major population centres outside of Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide which is why they are desperately pissing money against the wall in NSW & QLD to try and get a foothold. While we can expand without having to break the bank.

 

[Wb1234]

But wait, don't they have a better geographical spread than us?

Wait, no they don't. Out of the top 10 population centres in Aus & NZL, RL is dominant over AFL in more of them.

Sydney - RL dominant
Melbourne - AFL dominant
Brisbane - RL dominant
Perth - AFL dominant
Auckland - RL dominant
Adelaide - AFL dominant
Gold Coast - RL dominant
Newcastle - RL dominant
Canberra - RL dominant
Sunshine Coast - RL dominant

As the world increasingly moves to streaming (be it FTA streaming or paid services) and you can more accurately measure views, it will be eyeballs on screens that count, not archaic guestimating based on 5 capital city models. AFL don't dominate the major population centres outside of Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide which is why they are desperately pissing money against the wall in NSW & QLD to try and get a foothold. While we can expand without having to break the bank.

Png plus 19 million

 

[mongoose]

But wait, don't they have a better geographical spread than us?

Wait, no they don't. Out of the top 10 population centres in Aus & NZL, RL is dominant over AFL in more of them.

Sydney - RL dominant
Melbourne - AFL dominant
Brisbane - RL dominant
Perth - AFL dominant
Auckland - RL dominant
Adelaide - AFL dominant
Gold Coast - RL dominant
Newcastle - RL dominant
Canberra - RL dominant
Sunshine Coast - RL dominant

As the world increasingly moves to streaming (be it FTA streaming or paid services) and you can more accurately measure views, it will be eyeballs on screens that count, not archaic guestimating based on 5 capital city models. AFL don't dominate the major population centres outside of Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide which is why they are desperately pissing money against the wall in NSW & QLD to try and get a foothold. While we can expand without having to break the bank.

this is a little disingenuous and simplistic. RL is not dominant in Auckland...i'm not sure if I would even call it dominant in Canberra....

Sydney - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Melbourne - AFL extremely dominant, RL small presence
Brisbane - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Perth - AFL dominant, RL no presence
Auckland - RL decent presence, AFL no presence
Adelaide - AFL dominant, RL no presence
Gold Coast - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Newcastle - RL dominant, AFL no presence
Canberra - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Sunshine Coast - RL dominant, AFL no presence

 

[Pneuma]

This article may hint at where Nein might want a new team

What the Dolphins mean for Nine's NRL strategy in 2023

Mediaweek spoke to Nine’s director of 9Now and programming, Hamish Turner, about making the most of the newest NRL team.

www.mediaweek.com.au

 

[wain]

this is a little disingenuous and simplistic. RL is not dominant in Auckland...i'm not sure if I would even call it dominant in Canberra....

Sydney - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Melbourne - AFL extremely dominant, RL small presence
Brisbane - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Perth - AFL dominant, RL no presence
Auckland - RL decent presence, AFL no presence
Adelaide - AFL dominant, RL no presence
Gold Coast - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Newcastle - RL dominant, AFL no presence
Canberra - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Sunshine Coast - RL dominant, AFL no presence

pretty accurate, although Id argue that melb has decent presence of RL if you are saying that Canberra and Brisbane have decent AFL presence

 

[SouthsCountry]

this is a little disingenuous and simplistic. RL is not dominant in Auckland...i'm not sure if I would even call it dominant in Canberra....

Sydney - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Melbourne - AFL extremely dominant, RL small presence
Brisbane - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Perth - AFL dominant, RL no presence
Auckland - RL decent presence, AFL no presence
Adelaide - AFL dominant, RL no presence
Gold Coast - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Newcastle - RL dominant, AFL no presence
Canberra - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Sunshine Coast - RL dominant, AFL no presence

AFL presence in Sydney is legit in two suburbs...Pyrmont and Newtown

 

[SouthsCountry]

I say next club should be the Perth Bears. Love the idea of bringing back Norths.

Then Adelaide Jets (bring back Newtown's identity too)
Finally the South Pacific Cyclones, who play all around the Pacific (4 games and finals in Christchurch, 2 games in Wellington, 2 in PNG, 2 in Fiji, 1 in Tonga and 1 in Samoa)

20 teams, been there, done that, and there's far more talent now.

Storm franchise includes Tasmania
Adelaide includes NT

Then everyone has a team.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

this is a little disingenuous and simplistic. RL is not dominant in Auckland...i'm not sure if I would even call it dominant in Canberra....

Sydney - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Melbourne - AFL extremely dominant, RL small presence
Brisbane - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Perth - AFL dominant, RL no presence
Auckland - RL decent presence, AFL no presence
Adelaide - AFL dominant, RL no presence
Gold Coast - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Newcastle - RL dominant, AFL no presence
Canberra - RL dominant, AFL decent presence
Sunshine Coast - RL dominant, AFL no presence

It's not really simplistic, the major population areas in Australia are RL dominant areas. NSW and QLD not only have large capital cities but he rural populations of both states are huge and us having Auckland more than offsets a city like Adelaide.

And if you read my original post correctly, the term dominant referred to one code being dominant over the other in that city, not it being the dominant sport (Auckland being a prime example where RU is king)

 

[Wb1234]

Tl

It's not really simplistic, the major population areas in Australia are RL dominant areas. NSW and QLD not only have large capital cities but he rural populations of both states are huge and us having Auckland more than offsets a city like Adelaide.

Rl areas plus Auckland and bits of nz > afl

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Tl

Rl areas plus Auckland and bits of nz > afl

Yep, we absolutely need to get our shit together better than we have in the past, which currently seems to be happening. But once we fully leverage our heartlands properly and put in a Perth team the giant would have awoken. AFL have never really had a full-strength RL comp to compete with apart from a brief period in the early 90's.

We'll see how good they are when we are actually taking the fight property to them.

 

[Wb1234]

B

Yep, we absolutely need to get our shit together better than we have in the past, which currently seems to be happening. But once we fully leverage our heartlands properly and put in a Perth team the giant would have awoken. AFL have never really had a full-strength RL comp to compete with apart from a brief period in the early 90's.

We'll see how good they are when we are actually taking the fight property to them.

absolutely

 

[mongoose]

It's not really simplistic, the major population areas in Australia are RL dominant areas. NSW and QLD not only have large capital cities but he rural populations of both states are huge and us having Auckland more than offsets a city like Adelaide.

And if you read my original post correctly, the term dominant referred to one code being dominant over the other in that city, not it being the dominant sport (Auckland being a prime example where RU is king)

the perception is they have every major metro area covered by 2 or more teams - Melb, Syd, SEQLD, Perth, Adelaide... Us having teams in NQLD, Newcastle, Canberra and Auckland is wonderful but sadly broadcasters and sponsors don't see as much value in these areas.

 

[Perth Red]

Yep, we absolutely need to get our shit together better than we have in the past, which currently seems to be happening. But once we fully leverage our heartlands properly and put in a Perth team the giant would have awoken. AFL have never really had a full-strength RL comp to compete with apart from a brief period in the early 90's.

We'll see how good they are when we are actually taking the fight property to them.

It’s 28 years since that time and afl grows bigger than us every year In terms of revenue (Biggest revenue gap last year in a decade and that’s before the next tv deals widen it even more).

How long realistically till we close that gap and overtake them? Probably 20 years plus at least, and that’s if every goes our way and they somehow screw some of their business up.

getting a succesful perth club in next is the next step But then we’ll probably still be ten years plus away from game ten becoming a reality.

 

[SouthsCountry]

It’s 28 years since that time and afl grows bigger than us every year In terms of revenue (Biggest revenue gap last year in a decade and that’s before the next tv deals widen it even more).

How long realistically till we close that gap and overtake them? Probably 20 years plus at least, and that’s if every goes our way and they somehow screw some of their business up.

getting a succesful perth club in next is the next step But then we’ll probably still be ten years plus away from game ten becoming a reality.

they have more revenue, we make higher profits

 

[SouthsCountry]

Why does the NRL sell out in the AFL states though? Because we're a flashy and better product.

It's like taking the NFL over Baseball, you watch the Perth double header in rd21 sell out

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I say next club should be the Perth Bears. Love the idea of bringing back Norths.

Then Adelaide Jets (bring back Newtown's identity too)
Finally the South Pacific Cyclones, who play all around the Pacific (4 games and finals in Christchurch, 2 games in Wellington, 2 in PNG, 2 in Fiji, 1 in Tonga and 1 in Samoa)

20 teams, been there, done that, and there's far more talent now.

Storm franchise includes Tasmania
Adelaide includes NT

Then everyone has a team.

I take it you're from Sydney?

What makes you think Western Australians and South Australians want to be represented by Sydney clubs that haven't been in the top flight for decades?

What do the Bears and Jets bring to the table?

Perth has numerous businessmen willing to fund a team of its own. Its population are notoriously parochial and have a distrust of "east coasters". The Bears have a list of crazy "non-negotiablea" that make them a Sydney club that will play a few games in Perth. That arrangement will not entice Western Australians to support the team.

The North Sydney Bears aren't flush with money, either.

The Jets have no money.

A race-based team playing out of numerous countries would struggle to attract players. The extra travel it would perform would put it on the back foot.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

the perception is they have every major metro area covered by 2 or more teams - Melb, Syd, SEQLD, Perth, Adelaide... Us having teams in NQLD, Newcastle, Canberra and Auckland is wonderful but sadly broadcasters and sponsors don't see as much value in these areas.

The Cowboys are the outlier here as the revenue they generate from sponsorship has been among the highest in the competition since they were formed.

The problem is we have a few so-called "heartland" teams in Sydney generating f**k-all revenue from sponsorship. There's not enough active rugby league fans in the market to support nine clubs.

AwFuL has more than enough active supporters in Melbourne to prop up most of its teams. The only one that's really struggling right now is North Melbourne, yet it is probably not much weaker than the strongest NRL clubs in Sydney.

 

[Pippen94]

The Cowboys are the outlier here as the revenue they generate from sponsorship has been among the highest in the competition since they were formed.

The problem is we have a few so-called "heartland" teams in Sydney generating f**k-all revenue from sponsorship. There's not enough active rugby league fans in the market to support nine clubs.

AwFuL has more than enough active supporters in Melbourne to prop up most of its teams. The only one that's really struggling right now is North Melbourne, yet it is probably not much weaker than the strongest NRL clubs in Sydney.

Ever heard expression broken record??