18th club, whose next?

[Pippen94]

Yep, and that's the real shame - the NSW Cup is the perfect place for heritage brands like Norths, Newtown & Wentworthville (a club that was a strong contender for top tier status in the 1960s) to play in.

That kinda aspect makes the Qld Cup a cool competition. It has some of those traditional BRL brands.. with the extra dimension of some regional sides too.

Putting most of the teams as "in house" reserve teams with the same branding as NRL clubs undermines that.

Benefits clubs to have teams in own branding. Less qld teams means that competition retains different clubs. Dolphins already got team in qld cup & don't be surprised if broncos & titans do soon too..

 

[Pippen94]

The clubs are well aware that the cost of players salaries make running a NSW Cup side without an NRL affiliate financially unviable in the long term unless you, and your sponsors and supporters, are willing to accept being the comp's whipping boys.

They not going to get start anyway. NSW cup is feeder to NRL & league will do what benefits clubs

 

[Perth Red]

The clubs are well aware that the cost of players salaries make running a NSW Cup side without an NRL affiliate financially unviable in the long term unless you, and your sponsors and supporters, are willing to accept being the comp's whipping boys.

Yeh that’s my point as more and more nrl clubs ditch the LC affiliates and have their own reserve grade side. Why Newtown and bears are desperate for a link up, they can see the future and they won’t be in it at all unless they can secure that direct nrl club support.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

8972 what? Seagulls?

Cigarette butts.

Not much, though wa did have a Pirate and a buccaneer. Bit like dolphins for me though, it’s an nfl brand and that’s what people think of when they hear the name, not a rugby league club.

When I hear "Dolphins" I think of Redcliffe because that's what the club's been called for decades. When the Queensland Cup began in 1996 the biggest club in the league was the Redcliffe Dolphins. It remained that way for at least the first 10 to 15 years.

 

[Wb1234]

Mounties, Wentworthville, Wyong. All big LC’s who used to be in nsw cup. As the cup has increasingly become just a reserve grade for nrl clubs the ones not aligned have fallen by the wayside.

Sure buddy

 

[Wb1234]

Yeh that’s my point as more and more nrl clubs ditch the LC affiliates and have their own reserve grade side. Why Newtown and bears are desperate for a link up, they can see the future and they won’t be in it at all unless they can secure that direct nrl club support.

Yeh they are so desperate that’s why Perth approached Newtown to make their bid stronger

 

[Brutus]

This is interesting as an ex Newtown junior.
Unfortunately the Jets don’t have much to offer except goodwill and blue jerseys.
There are no juniors as they were redistributed at the time of demise.

Hey Newtown under 18's played at Waverley Oval just last Sunday. They had to forfeit at half-time, but at least they showed up for half the game.

 

[Canard]

Benefits clubs to have teams in own branding. Less qld teams means that competition retains different clubs. Dolphins already got team in qld cup & don't be surprised if broncos & titans do soon too..

The Titans and Cowboys will have there own clubs in the QCup next year, that was announced weeks ago.

The Broncos aren't sold on the idea.

It's a terrible idea, that will lead to the death of top level regional football and the Cup itself.

 

[Pippen94]

The Titans and Cowboys will have there own clubs in the QCup next year, that was announced weeks ago.

The Broncos aren't sold on the idea.

It's a terrible idea, that will lead to the death of top level regional football and the Cup itself.

I don't like it but that's what's happening. It's why Manchester City etc buys teams in leagues around the world - to push their brand

 

[Pippen94]

Yeh they are so desperate that’s why Perth approached Newtown to make their bid stronger

Yep, Perth clearly trying to link with established club

 

[Pneuma]

Hey Newtown under 18's played at Waverley Oval just last Sunday. They had to forfeit at half-time, but at least they showed up for half the game.

Club: Newtown Junior Jets

Newtown Junior Jets's Teams and Competitions

www.playrugbyleague.com

7 junior teams.

 

[Canard]

I don't like it but that's what's happening. It's why Manchester City etc buys teams in leagues around the world - to push their brand

I don't think this is a major factor in the decision .

Firstly, because it appears that both the Titans and Cowboys QRL teams will have a different name (previously the Cowboys QRL side was called the Young Guns, for example).

Secondly, every fan of QRL knows the brand of every NRL club, so there is no exposure to a new fan base.

Lastly, both the aforementioned clubs have publicly stated they are doing it so as to have full control over the development of the NRL squad players (and have copied the Penrith model), its also no doubt to save costs.

 

[The Great Dane]

They not going to get start anyway. NSW cup is feeder to NRL & league will do what benefits clubs

The NRL is supposed to represent the interests of the sport as a whole, not just the clubs that are members of the Telstra Premiership.

Having functional lower tier competitions of a high standard is in the sport's interest, and losing them will have long term impacts on the popularity of the sport outside of the NRL side's catchments going into the future. Just look at the state of the sport in country Qld as opposed to country NSW were RL's largely on it's knees if you need evidence of that. Or the 'affiliated states' as opposed to NSW and Qld as another example, though there's admittedly a bit more going on in that example.

Most towns and regions have local problems that need local solutions, and limiting the potential and exposure of their local clubs and RL institutions isn't helping them.

I don't like it but that's what's happening. It's why Manchester City etc buys teams in leagues around the world - to push their brand

City Group and other large soccer conglomerations invest in clubs all over the world as a means to hoard talent in their system and to game the international transfer market, not because it's good for their brand.
Owning NYCFC, Melbourne City, etc has had negligible impact on support for Manchester City or vice versa. In other words very few Man City fans could give the faintest f**k about any of the other teams around the world and vice versa. If anything having unified branding has hurt some of their teams as being directly linked to Man City turns some fans off, namely supporters of other EPL sides.

The NRL clubs have similar motivations for wanting control of the state leagues as well BTW, and blokes like Gould have even said as much publicly in the past. They want as much of a monopoly on the talent pool as possible, to reduce the options available to players, and to not have to worry about negotiating with third party clubs outside of the NRL.

It's an anti-competition and anti-consumer move that's great for the 17, soon to be 18, NRL sides, but terrible for everybody else, and it's a travesty that the NRL has so far supported the clubs in this move instead of fighting them every inch of the way.

 

[Pippen94]

The NRL is supposed to represent the interests of the sport as a whole, not just the clubs that are members of the Telstra Premiership.

Having functional lower tier competitions of a high standard is in the sport's interest, and losing them will have long term impacts on the popularity of the sport outside of the NRL side's catchments going into the future. Just look at the state of the sport in country Qld as opposed to country NSW were RL's largely on it's knees if you need evidence of that. Or the 'affiliated states' as opposed to NSW and Qld as another example, though that's a bit more complex example.

Most towns and regions have local problems that need local solutions, and limiting the potential and exposure of their local clubs and RL institutions isn't helping them.

City Group and other large soccer conglomerations invest in clubs all over the world as a means to hoard talent in their system and to game the international transfer market, not because it's good for their brand.
Owning NYCFC, Melbourne City, etc has had negligible impact on support for Manchester City or vice versa. In other words very few Man City fans could give the faintest f**k about any of the other teams around the world and vice versa. If anything having unified branding has hurt some of their teams as being directly linked to Man City turns some fans off, namely supporters of other EPL sides.

The NRL clubs have similar motivations for wanting control of the state leagues as well BTW, and blokes like Gould have even said as much publicly in the past. They want as much of a monopoly on the talent pool as possible, to reduce the options available to players, and to not have to worry about negotiating with third party clubs outside of the NRL.

It's an anti-competition and anti-consumer move that's great for the 17, soon to be 18, NRL sides, but terrible for everybody else, and it's a travesty that NRL has so far supported the clubs in this move instead of fighting them every inch of the way.

..said like somebody who doesn't know soccer. Why did city group rebrand heart Melbourne city?! Most of supporters for EPL teams are international & actually crowds have huge tourist element..but anyway u stuck in 90's

 

[Pippen94]

I don't think this is a major factor in the decision .

Firstly, because it appears that both the Titans and Cowboys QRL teams will have a different name (previously the Cowboys QRL side was called the Young Guns, for example).

Secondly, every fan of QRL knows the brand of every NRL club, so there is no exposure to a new fan base.

Lastly, both the aforementioned clubs have publicly stated they are doing it so as to have full control over the development of the NRL squad players (and have copied the Penrith model), its also no doubt to save costs.

Wrong. Why use outside club when u can keep things in house & guarantee team is truly feeder, run for interest of NRL club, along with pushing existing branding?!

Like I said, I don't like it. I love the smaller old clubs. I liked CBA over the NBA g league, but that's how world is going..

 

[The Great Dane]

..said like somebody who doesn't know soccer. Why did city group rebrand heart Melbourne city?! Most of supporters for EPL teams are international & actually crowds have huge tourist element..but anyway u stuck in 90's

Why hasn't Melbourne City/Heart seen significant growth in support since the rebrand if unified branding is so powerful? Even by A-league standards Melbourne City have absolutely embarrassing support for a team that's been so successful recently.

I can't be bothered explaining the transfer market to you and you wouldn't understand anyway.

 

[The Great Dane]

Wrong. Why use outside club when u can keep things in house & guarantee team is truly feeder, run for interest of NRL club, along with pushing existing branding?!

Like I said, I don't like it. I love the smaller old clubs. I liked CBA over the NBA g league, but that's how world is going..

We all understand why the NRL clubs want things that way FFS.

The point is that they shouldn't be allowed to make things that way because of the broader impact it'll have on the sport. Now can we move on or are you going to bog this thread down is BS like you do every other one?

 

[Canard]

Wrong. Why use outside club when u can keep things in house & guarantee team is truly feeder, run for interest of NRL club, along with pushing existing branding?!

And that will be the death of any non-NRL aligned footy club, which will ultimately be a disaster for the game.

The branding part is a total furphy and irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[RedVee_8]

Club: Newtown Junior Jets

Newtown Junior Jets's Teams and Competitions

www.playrugbyleague.com

7 junior teams.

As opposed to the old days of Tempe, St Peters, Lewisham etc making up a competition in each grade, rather than one team. But you are correct then, I was incorrect to say no juniors.
From dim memory, the junior clubs were redirected generally to Souths and St George when Newtown left the main stage. Perhaps a club or two may have gone to Canterbury or Balmain.

 

[Pippen94]

Why hasn't Melbourne City/Heart seen significant growth in support since the rebrand if unified branding is so powerful? Even by A-league standards Melbourne City have absolutely embarrassing support for a team that's been so successful recently.

I can't be bothered explaining the transfer market to you and you wouldn't understand anyway.

..then why rebrand all the teams they take over?!