18th club, whose next?

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There’s more RL clubs in WA than in Christchurch. What we don’t have is the investment and direct pathway to get our kids into nrl.

re time slots whoever comes in the nrl is going to have an extra time slot to sell. The obvious ones are either Monday night to fta or a Sunday 6pm or 7pm to fox. Perth is ideal for the Sunday spot as it means a family friendly ko time which will create decent crowds for the game to look good. same if you put Perth in the Saturday 7.30pm or 8pm slot.

Re nz tv the recent Increase after two stagnant deals seems to have been mainly due to the competition from streaming for the rights, not some new found love of rl from sky nz. unless that competitive tension is there for next rights another nz team doesn’t guarantee any extra $’s.

end of day we only have one bid currently and that’s from a bloke who managed to turn the second biggest rugby league club in the world into a bankrupt homeless third division amateurs. Team, do really want him in charge of an nrl club?

The biggest issue people, seem to. Be ignoring is Christchurch or Wellington are not big enough for an nrl club as a secondary sport and another club in Auckland would be a disaster for warriors. Nz2 sounds great on paper but in reality it is fraught with problems at this time.

The ARLC could create a Polynesian XIII, based in NZ, if Christchurch and Auckland cannot support NZ 2.

I think it's fair to say that NZ 2, Bris 3 and Perth have problems that will work against them.

 

[Perth Red]

Another poo poo post from the mayor of WA, please the bais is dripping off you

Everything Except the last paragraph is FACT. The last paragraph is my opinion. Care to add anything to the discussion?

 

[Perth Red]

The ARLC could create a Polynesian XIII, based in NZ, if Christchurch and Auckland cannot support NZ 2.

I think it's fair to say that NZ 2, Bris 3 and Perth have problems that will work against them.

They could but they won’t.
Yep any new bid has its pros and cons for sure. Nz2 is sustainability, perth is player development and brisbane is over saturation of a market too quickly.
I’d like To see a decision based on growing a new market and long term strategic importance for the game.

 

[The Great Dane]

They could but they won’t.

And nor should they.

Having racially exclusive sports clubs is such a diabolically stupid idea that at that point you wouldn't just be inviting trouble, you'd be creating it.

 

[The Great Dane]

end of day we only have one bid currently and that’s from a bloke who managed to turn the second biggest rugby league club in the world into a bankrupt homeless third division amateurs. Team, do really want him in charge of an nrl club?

Any bid involving Chalmers should be instantly disqualified, but to be fair to him Bradford had already turned to shit before he bought them.

His tenure as owner definitely exacerbated their situation, but it's unfair to blame him as the cause of their situation.

The biggest issue people, seem to. Be ignoring is Christchurch or Wellington are not big enough for an nrl club as a secondary sport and another club in Auckland would be a disaster for warriors. Nz2 sounds great on paper but in reality it is fraught with problems at this time.

Nah, it'd be risky (what expansion isn't), with a high chance of the club becoming another struggler, but the market is definitely there to support a second NRL club in NZ if the NRL play their cards right.

They'll need to have very solid financial backing, be capable of running at a loss for an extended period, have the support of broadcasters with strong FTA exposure, and their branding and marketing will have to be on point with a clearly defined target audience, but it's doable.
If the NRL were really smart they'd make sure (if you know what I mean) both the new club and the Warriors go on successful runs as well, as on field success would be hugely helpful to them. I doubt the NRL are ballsy enough to do that though.

I'd also argue that the only way the NRL is going to expand into most new markets is by doing it the hard way (like the AFL's growth in the north east), and that we shouldn't be afraid of taking that route if the market is worth it in the long term. However, whether or not a second club in NZ is worth doing that is very much up for debate IMO.

 

[The Great Dane]

The NBL is going to add a second NZ team to the Bay of Plenty in 2024. I'd love to see the NRL and NBL work together. The Northern Pride should team up with the Cairns Taipans NBL team. A name like Cairns Taipans is better than some generic Yankee brand like Northern Pride.

Bay of Plenty, alongside another as yet undecided team, is joining the New Zealand NBL in 2024, not the Australian NBL.

 

[MugaB]

Everything Except the last paragraph is FACT. The last paragraph is my opinion. Care to add anything to the discussion?

Nope, just love to point out how quick you are to pile excrement onto other bids before Perths.. thats all

 

[Perth Red]

Nope, just love to point out how quick you are to pile excrement onto other bids before Perths.. thats all

Troll done good.

sure I’m backing a perth bid over a nz one out of self interest but also what I believe will be better for the game long term
, and I’ll point out the potential problems with a second nz team, just as some others will point out the problems with a potential perth club. happy to have those debates respectfully, so if you've got anything to debate go for it, otherwise be a good troll and jog on.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Troll done good.

sure I’m backing a perth bid over a nz one out of self interest but also what I believe will be better for the game long term
, and I’ll point out the potential problems with a second nz team, just as some others will point out the problems with a potential perth club. happy to have those debates respectfully, so if you've got anything to debate go for it, otherwise be a good troll and jog on.

The NRL should have had teams in Perth and a second NZ team years ago.

 

[flippikat]

The NRL should have had teams in Perth and a second NZ team years ago.

If the merger of ARL & Superleague was handled well (with mergers, relocations & preservation of the Reds, Rams, Chargers & Crushers as well as a Melbourne team - new or relocated), we would have started the 21st century with teams in every mainland state capital, and NZ 2 would have been the NRL's big project for the early 2000s.

When I think about what could have been, it's downright depressing.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

If the merger of ARL & Superleague was handled well (with mergers, relocations & preservation of the Reds, Rams, Chargers & Crushers as well as a Melbourne team - new or relocated), we would have started the 21st century with teams in every mainland state capital, and NZ 2 would have been the NRL's big project for the early 2000s.

When I think about what could have been, it's downright depressing.

They sacrificed Adelaide, Bris 2, Gold Coast and Perth to keep unviable Sydney clubs alive. It's madness and only in RL.

 

[Colk]

They sacrificed Adelaide, Bris 2, Gold Coast and Perth to keep unviable Sydney clubs alive. It's madness and only in RL.

They should have relocated a few Sydney teams as that was the perfect opportunity. That would have solved two problems.

 

[Perth Red]

No one loves a missed opportunity quite like rugby league!

 

[Idris 84]

They sacrificed Adelaide, Bris 2, Gold Coast and Perth to keep unviable Sydney clubs alive. It's madness and only in RL.

Actually it goes into detail about this in the book 'code wars', which is a great read. I don't know who the halfwit was on here that said he is a Melbourne and afl mouthpiece, the guy grew up in Sydney and declares RL as his most followed sport in the first few pages ffs. He has basically written a dossier on successful sports administration, which if you listen closely to v'landy's of late, I think he has read the book closely.

Also did anyone on here know that back in I think 1915 rugby league and Australian rules heavies from across Australia and nz came together to basically combine the rules of both sports into one new sport to be played as the one football code in Australia? It was pretty much through, I think nsw, s.a, w.a, nz all voted in favour but before Victoria etc had voted (which they were going to vote in favour too) ww1 broke out. How different history would have been if the war started a year later, we would all be playing a mix of RL and Australian rules as the only main football code in Australia, I couldn't believe I hadn't heard about this before.

 

[Colk]

Actually it goes into detail about this in the book 'code wars', which is a great read. I don't know who the halfwit was on here that said he is a Melbourne and afl mouthpiece, the guy grew up in Sydney and declares RL as his most followed sport in the first few pages ffs. He has basically written a dossier on successful sports administration, which if you listen closely to v'landy's of late, I think he has read the book closely.

Also did anyone on here know that back in I think 1915 rugby league and Australian rules heavies from across Australia and nz came together to basically combine the rules of both sports into one new sport to be played as the one football code in Australia? It was pretty much through, I think nsw, s.a, w.a, nz all voted in favour but before Victoria etc had voted (which they were going to vote in favour too) ww1 broke out. How different history would have been if the war started a year later, we would all be playing a mix of RL and Australian rules as the only main football code in Australia, I couldn't believe I hadn't heard about this before.

That sounds horrible. We would be giving points for trying your best

 

[Idris 84]

Yeah, most sports have at least two forms of scoring otherwise you end up like soccer with a million draws. From memory the proposal was 3 points for a try, 2 points for a goal over the H and 1 point for a kick under the H. The scorer of the try had to kick the goal themselves. No scrums, the ball would be thrown up or thrown in to re- start. That's all I can remember but there is a 2 pager of the notes from the proposal in the book which was 90 percent approved and would have seen the end of league and Australian rules in Australia for a hybrid sport combining the two, if the war didn't start right at that exact time.

 

[Colk]

Yeah, most sports have at least two forms of scoring otherwise you end up like soccer with a million draws. From memory the proposal was 3 points for a try, 2 points for a goal over the H and 1 point for a kick under the H. The scorer of the try had to kick the goal themselves. No scrums, the ball would be thrown up or thrown in to re- start. That's all I can remember but there is a 2 pager of the notes from the proposal in the book which was 90 percent approved and would have seen the end of league and Australian rules in Australia for a hybrid sport combining the two, if the war didn't start right at that exact time.

Essentially it sounds like that horrible Irish - Fumbleball game they had to invent to play internationals.

Thank god that didn’t happen.

 

[Idris 84]

Well one advantage is at least we wouldn't have had all the whining on here about how many mistakes RL has made over the years, because there would have been no genuine competitors in the Australian market to a fully national football competition so it would have made little difference . More info here for those who were as gobsmacked as I was reading all this.

Universal football - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[The Great Dane]

Actually it goes into detail about this in the book 'code wars', which is a great read. I don't know who the halfwit was on here that said he is a Melbourne and afl mouthpiece, the guy grew up in Sydney and declares RL as his most followed sport in the first few pages ffs. He has basically written a dossier on successful sports administration, which if you listen closely to v'landy's of late, I think he has read the book closely.

I don't know whether or not V'landys has read it, but it really is an excellent book and anybody who's interested in the Australian sports industry and how the football codes interact within it, or just wants to better understand how the football market in Australia came to be, should give it a read.

It's honestly the best book on the Australian sports industry I've ever read, and probably one of the best on sport in general.

 

[The Great Dane]

Essentially it sounds like that horrible Irish - Fumbleball game they had to invent to play internationals.

Thank god that didn’t happen.

It probably would have started that way, but after some tinkering and figuring out what did and didn't work it eventually would have branched off into it's own unique sport, much like RL and American Football did once they split from Rugby.

That or it would have eventually been out competed by the other sports and gone extinct... But that's just how the market works.