18th club, whose next?

[Wb1234]

All due respect Donkey but it’s very apparent that you are just as biased for any proof to get another Brisbane team in. Lots of cherry picking data and opinion to justify that Bris3 is the only choice. If the Westie mob do the same as you, that’s their prerogative. You all are entitled to your opinions, just don’t pretend that you’re not in the same ballpark too.

At the end of the day, one can only hope the powers to be can make the right decision, without having to listen to pundits that think they have all the answers, or at least balance everything up in full. If they decide to go to Perth, great- at least we can pretend that it is actually a national league. If they give it to a Qld team, well then it means they feel that the game isn’t strong enough to really expand and need more out of the heartland to build future growth. If they choose elsewhere- again I’m sure they will choose there for hopefully the right reasons.

Everyone does that for their favourite expansion bid then flips the switch on the rest

 

[MugaB]

Because the game in Adelaide is virtually non existent so you either spend 15 years building it or parachute the bears in.

Of which you mentioned needs to happen with Perth, or parachute blacktwon, mounties or newtown

 

[Bukowski]

This is an emotional post,

I think you are a flog who needs to get out of your small circle and actually experience life.
Have a drink, put a pineapple through the pokies and grab a hooker.

You cant talk sense to him. No one here will disagree with that.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Nothing emotional in my posts but plenty of denial in yours.
You’re making shit up to suit yourself, your bringing in other posters to try make your argument.
None of what I said has anything to do with Perth Red or Bukowski. I’ve made my argument, so debate that.
Although you aren’t going to because you believe everything you say is right.
mid you honestly think that a Perth side wouldn’t develop players and wouldn’t have a good following, I can’t help you. Plenty of people do, so you are entitled to your thoughts. However wrong I think they are.

I've addressed all of your points.

You said Western Australians are parochial and support allof their teams. I provided evidence that they don't support the Glory and Force to a great extent.

One of your mates jumped in to dismiss the poor support for the Glory and Force because they're A-League and Super Rugby. I exposed the idiot's fallacy by proving there was more active support for the A-League than NRL in Melbourne during the time frame that was being discussed.

It's a classic case of shifting the goal posts because you and the other Perth advocates don't want to accept reality.

When I brought up the Reds' poor attendances you blamed it on them playing at a cricket ground. The very same cricket ground managed to draw 21k to NSWRL games a few years earlier. It makes a mockery of your argument.

Then I was told it was all due to Super League. Cowboys averaged 21,600 in 1995. They managed it in a small regional town with a team that won just 2 games.

I explained why the Wildcats and Scorchers get good crowds. They are successful like the Storm. Their level of support still pales in comparison to the Eagles and Dockers. I'll add that the Wildcats and Scorchers don't compete with the Eagles and Dockers during the same time of year. An NRL team will be up against the Eagles and Dockers.

I've made it clear that a Perth-based NRL team that is successful like the Storm will draw 16k crowds. I'm not totally against a Perth-based team entering the NRL. I'm just not convinced it'll be the slam dunk success that some have deluded themselves into thinking it will be.

 

[Centy Coast]

I'm not against Perth getting a team at some stage. I don't think anyone is against it, TBH.

I just don't like the arrogance, wilful ignorance and delusions of grandeur that are on display by some of Perth's advocates.

I'm biased and want the Tigers to get the next licence. I've laid out my reasons for giving them the 18th licence. However, I can accept that the ARLC might choose to go down a different path. At this stage it looks like they're going with PNG. The political instabilityqnd corruption in PNG makes me question this decision, but I will cheer on the Hunters and be happy for RL fans up north. They love their football up there and will appreciate a team of their own more than Western Australians will ever care for a Perth-based team.

It's a pity the sooks from Perth cannot do the same.

It will be interesting who they admit next, I don’t think it’ll Brisbane Tigers only because of the Dolphins being in their infancy.
I agree with you on PNG.
Perth Bears I hope but I won’t hold my breath.
Looking forward to watching the State League Final on Sunday, South Sydney Rabbitohs v Brisbane Easts Tigers, I love these matches, I was hoping for North Sydney Bears v Burleigh Bears but both minor premiers were defeated by identical scores 22-18.
After watching Shaq Mitchell play in Sundays NSW Cup Grand Final anybody with size and can breath could play NRL, how Bears prop Kurt De Luis hasn’t got an NRL contract amazes me as he totally outplayed our Bears props with NRL contracts Terrell May (Roosters), Fletcher Baker (Roosters/Broncos) and Ben Thomas (Roosters)

 

[MugaB]

Everyone does that for their favourite expansion bid then flips the switch on the rest

Yeah i don't, but you have to be reasonable with each bid... brisbane 3 or SEQ4 aint happening for the next 5 years minimum, not whilst the dolphins are just beginning, perth well you know my stance on perth, they have everything set up to prosper, but their not competing at junior level,
Nz2 doesnt exist, and the govt is gun hoe for PNG to hold a pasifika licence (nrl wants the pasifika angle)
So there's the gist... my prediction is PNG gets in first, NZ2 will follow as there will be interest, or one of the fated lost clubs or east tigers will port over there, and perth will get no.20, when there's enough mercs to spread around to fill thier roster, till they produce their own.

 

[Centy Coast]

I've addressed all of your points.

You said Western Australians are parochial and support allof their teams. I provided evidence that they don't support the Glory and Force to a great extent.

One of your mates jumped in to dismiss the poor support for the Glory and Force because they're A-League and Super Rugby. I exposed the idiot's fallacy by proving there was more active support for the A-League than NRL in Melbourne during the time frame that was being discussed.

It's a classic case of shifting the goal posts because you and the other Perth advocates don't want to accept reality.

When I brought up the Reds' poor attendances you blamed it on them playing at a cricket ground. The very same cricket ground managed to draw 21k to NSWRL games a few years earlier. It makes a mockery of your argument.

Then I was told it was all due to Super League. Cowboys averaged 21,600 in 1995. They managed it in a small regional town with a team that won just 2 games.

I explained why the Wildcats and Scorchers get good crowds. They are successful like the Storm. Their level of support still pales in comparison to the Eagles and Dockers. I'll add that the Wildcats and Scorchers don't compete with the Eagles and Dockers during the same time of year. An NRL team will be up against the Eagles and Dockers.

I've made it clear that a Perth-based NRL team that is successful like the Storm will draw 16k crowds. I'm not totally against a Perth-based team entering the NRL. I'm just not convinced it'll be the slam dunk success that some have deluded themselves into thinking it will be.

Ii don’t think a Perth based NRL team will be an instant success like the Dolphins straight up (hell even the Dolphins diehard supporters were shocked) but I certainly don’t think they will be wooden spooners either.

 

[MugaB]

Ii don’t think a Perth based NRL team will be an instant success like the Dolphins straight up (hell even the Dolphins were shocked) but I certainly don’t think they will be wooden spooners either.

I do, thats the only thing holding them back, that they run last, and any support theyll have will wither

 

[Bukowski]

Ii don’t think a Perth based NRL team will be an instant success like the Dolphins straight up (hell even the Dolphins were shocked) but I certainly don’t think they will be wooden spooners either.

They could be, starting up is tough. The Dolphins didn't end up too good on the ladder.

 

[Centy Coast]

I do, thats the only thing holding them back, that they run last, and any support theyll have will wither

Even if they struggled and did come last I think you will be surprised by the support of a new fanbase, supporters of new teams don’t expect instant success, so any success is a bonus.
Look at the Dolphins, their supporters were in shock with their start, that support did not decline even though they lost game after game as the season progressed and came to its conclusion.

 

[Bukowski]

I do, thats the only thing holding them back, that they run last, and any support theyll have will wither

Like any club though. Wests and saints crowds were low. Sub 10k wasn't unusual.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

All due respect Donkey but it’s very apparent that you are just as biased for any proof to get another Brisbane team in. Lots of cherry picking data and opinion to justify that Bris3 is the only choice. If the Westie mob do the same as you, that’s their prerogative. You all are entitled to your opinions, just don’t pretend that you’re not in the same ballpark too.

At the end of the day, one can only hope the powers to be can make the right decision, without having to listen to pundits that think they have all the answers, or at least balance everything up in full. If they decide to go to Perth, great- at least we can pretend that it is actually a national league. If they give it to a Qld team, well then it means they feel that the game isn’t strong enough to really expand and need more out of the heartland to build future growth. If they choose elsewhere- again I’m sure they will choose there for hopefully the right reasons.

I am biased in favour of a third Brisbane team. I've never denied it.

I've cited my case for awarding the licence to the Brisbane Tigers ahead of the other contenders. I think the Ipswich Jets bid should be dismissed because it will only appeal to a small base in Ipswich and doesn't have the financial clout to be a success like the Broncos and Dolphins.

My problem with the Perth mob is they're incredibly selfish and have an entitlement complex. A Perth-based team will rely on the QRL and NSWRL for players. The annual grant it receives from the ARLC will be based on revenue generated by the RL community in Queensland and NSW. Despite their reliance on Queensland and NSW for a team, they show no gratitude towards the game's heartland.

All they do is demand the ARLC give them a team, money and players.

The more they go on the more I hope anyone but Perth gets the licence. I'm at the stage of preferring the North Sydney Bears over a Perth-based team just to teach these f**kers a lesson.

 

[MugaB]

I am biased in favour of a third Brisbane team. I've never denied it.

I've cited my case for awarding the licence to the Brisbane Tigers ahead of the other contenders. I think the Ipswich Jets bid should be dismissed because it will only appeal to a small base in Ipswich and doesn't have the financial clout to be a success like the Broncos and Dolphins.

My problem with the Perth mob is they're incredibly selfish and have an entitlement complex. A Perth-based team will rely on the QRL and NSWRL for players. The annual grant it receives from the ARLC will be based on revenue generated by the RL community in Queensland and NSW. Despite their reliance on Queensland and NSW for a team, they show no gratitude towards the game's heartland.

All they do is demand the ARLC give them a team, money and players.

The more they go on the more I hope anyone but Perth gets the licence. I'm at the stage of preferring the North Sydney Bears over a Perth-based team just to teach these f**kers a lesson.

Wow this is a welcomed turn around, sounds like pippen took over the account

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Ii don’t think a Perth based NRL team will be an instant success like the Dolphins straight up (hell even the Dolphins diehard supporters were shocked) but I certainly don’t think they will be wooden spooners either.

I don't think they'll be wooden spooners. My concern is how much support they'll have when they're not winning. We see it in Brisbane when the Lions aren't going well. We also see it in Perth when the Glory and Force struggle.

 

[Bukowski]

We saw it with Wests and saints this year.

 

[Perth Red]

Ain't that the truth. It doesn't matter how many facts are thrown at @Bukowski, @Jimmy Wiggle and @Perth Red. They want to believe RL in Perth is bigger than it actually is and more worthy of an NRL licence than anywhere else. All sorts of bullshit excuses are used to dismiss any fact that doesn't line up with their biases.

Lol
perth has no jnrs, yep we have 3500 of them
perth has no bid consortium, yep we do
Perth has no mOney, except a multi millionaire consortium waiting to own the club and a wa govt rich with cash
perth can’t produce nrl players, except the ones we do produce
perth has no fans, except the 43k who turned out last month

keep dribbling as much as you like.

 

[Perth Red]

Of which you mentioned needs to happen with Perth, or parachute blacktwon, mounties or newtown

You think rugby league in perth and Adelaide are the same? please.

 

[reanimate]

The anti-Perth argument has circled back to talent? There is a lot of rugby talent out there in the world, what we don’t do is scout outside of our own backyard for it very well.

The Raiders showed in 2019 you can have a side with a lot of imported talent and have a solid crack at a premiership. Take that approach and start looking for talent in even more places; European RL, cheap players from lower grade South African RU, French RU, Ireland etc, you can make a competitive side without drawing heavily on NSW and QLD.

 

[Perth Red]

Wow this is a welcomed turn around, sounds like pippen took over the account

Haha he’s so triggered that brisbane isn’t gett8ng another club anytime soon!

like I’ve said before expansion falls into two camps, those who want to see the game grow into new markets and thinks the returns are worth the risk, and those who want it contained to its traditional areas and would rather play it safe.

I’ll always be the former, be it perth, Adelaide, nz2 or png I’ll be ok with , anyone but another nsw or qlnd club will do me.

 

[Perth Red]

The anti-Perth argument has circled back to talent? There is a lot of rugby talent out there in the world, what we don’t do is scout outside of our own backyard for it very well.

The Raiders showed in 2019 you can have a side with a lot of imported talent and have a solid crack at a premiership. Take that approach and start looking for talent in even more places; European RL, cheap players from lower grade South African RU, French RU, Ireland etc, you can make a competitive side without drawing heavily on NSW and QLD.

For the first time ever the nrl has mentioned possible salary cap exceptions for signing usa players, they just need to extend that to anyone outside nrl squads and we’ll see us scouting the world of sport for talent