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18th club, whose next?

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Maybe you could look at a wa pathway lmao


indeed unless Perth can demonstrate a huge ongoing investment in its own juniors then they shouldn’t get a team until the storm start producing nrl players regularly from Victoria
that goes without saying to all but the most stupid

Theres some crazy sht thinking, 'Perth shouldnt get a team unless Storm produce jnrs' lol. Nice one.
 

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And they apparently need $600m just to be able to produce some juniors. I'm sure Vic could produce a lot more juniors with $600m of govt money to spend.
They've only just started Jnr pathways due to a $5.5mill hand out from Aus Govt. The whole PNG thing is built on a pack of cards.
 

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that goes without saying to all but the most stupid

Theres some crazy sht thinking, 'Perth shouldnt get a team unless Storm produce jnrs' lol. Nice one.
It’s what’s best for rugby league

if the storm can’t produce juniors after 30 years why double down on our mistake

we’ve shown how Perth has no value for broadcasters

they won’t be producing juniors for a decade or more

What’s the point when we have far better options
 

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It’s what’s best for rugby league

if the storm can’t produce juniors after 30 years why double down on our mistake

we’ve shown how Perth has no value for broadcasters

they won’t be producing juniors for a decade or more

What’s the point when we have far better options
It would seem the ARLC has learnt something and is insisting on jnr pathways being a key part of any new club proposal business case. Which is why it goes without saying Perth will have a plan for how it works with the NRLWA to strengthen the local game and I have no doubt will have an SG Ball and JF Perth teams (and possibly a ladies feeder side for NRLW team) in those comps from day 1.

The point is if you dont start the journey you will never reach the destination.
 

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It would seem the ARLC has learnt something and is insisting on jnr pathways being a key part of any new club proposal business case. Which is why it goes without saying Perth will have a plan for how it works with the NRLWA to strengthen the local game and I have no doubt will have an SG Ball and JF Perth teams (and possibly a ladies feeder side for NRLW team) in those comps from day 1.

The point is if you dont start the journey you will never reach the destination.
It’s kind of selfish wanting a team before brisbane easts when they beat you on every metric

but you aren’t the only one on the expansion forum argue out of selfishness

putting Perth ahead of nz2 or Brisbane 3 is stupid

a mistake pvl is going to make
 

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It’s kind of selfish wanting a team before brisbane easts when they beat you on every metric

but you aren’t the only one on the expansion forum argue out of selfishness

putting Perth ahead of nz2 or Brisbane 3 is stupid

a mistake pvl is going to make
Whats selfish is fans in Brisbane demanding a third club because they dont like the two options they've got. The epitome of greed.
 

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50 years down the track maybe

over the next 20 years kind of irrelevant

Brisbane 3 nz2 and png will all be paying off decades sooner
maybe, maybe not, but highly doubtful all those three are in before Perth.
Businesses grow attracting new customers in new markets. You think Apple would be what it is if it had stuck to making PC's?
 

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Dollphins shows brisbane coverage wasn’t close to optimal

and still isn’t
Maybe, but NRL isnt bringing in another Brisbane club so soon and News ltd wont allow it. Its taken 25 years to get them to agree to an outer suburb club called 'The' admission lol
 
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Which is why adding Perth is dumb

we will have storm and Perth bumming off others juniors and both will end up weak

unless the Perth bud guarantees something like 3 to 5 million in junior funding from day one so they can be productive

I'm interested in seeing how the Storm fare when Bellamy retires. Whoever succeeds him will have a tough time replicating everything he's done.

There's been plenty of coaching assistants who've served under Bellamy. None of them have replicated what he's done at the Storm when they became head coaches at other clubs.

Rubbish, theres plenty of young kids out there looking for a chance. The game has just been pretty poor at linking them up into pathways and ARLC has been generally really shite at propagating grass roots participation Storm have done an excellent job of this and no reason why Perth cant do same. I hope we'll look to the UK for a new pathway opportunity, theres a ton of great young english talent that could make it in NRL if brought across.

Much of this is just your opinion.

Storm have a once in a generation coach who is able to identify 4 gifted young footballers and mould them into halfbacks, five eights, dummy halves and fullbacks. He then picks up average juniors to fill the rest of his squad.

Much of the Storm's success was on the back of Smih, Cronk and Slater. They were plucked out of Queensland when there were just two NRL clubs in the state. Since then he's plucked Munster from the Capras and poached Hughes and Brandon Smith from the Cowboys. He picked up a handy dummyhalf in Harry Grant.

Let's not forget he's raided the shit out of New Zealand for forwards who can serve a role. He's not alone in that regard. Plenty of other clubs have matched him on that front.

Great Britain hasn't won a major competition since 1974. England lost to Samoa at a World Cup they hosted. The 2017 English team couldn't score a point against a weak Australian team in the final.

Maybe you could look at a wa pathway lmao

a weakened storm wouldn’t be a good result for rugby league

indeed unless Perth can demonstrate a huge ongoing investment in its own juniors then they shouldn’t get a team until the storm start producing nrl players regularly from Victoria

I wouldn't think about entering a Perth-based team until Storm have had a few years to rebuild after Bellamy's retirement. Munster will retire within the next few years. They're not anywhere as dominant as they were when Smith, Cronk and Slater were in their spine. Take Munster away and they'll struggle to make the top four.

And they apparently need $600m just to be able to produce some juniors. I'm sure Vic could produce a lot more juniors with $600m of govt money to spend.

The Aus Gov spent $8m on an academy for juniors. That's not too bad considering how much funding is spent on high performance training centres and stadia for Australian clubs.
 

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that goes without saying to all but the most stupid

Theres some crazy sht thinking, 'Perth shouldnt get a team unless Storm produce jnrs' lol. Nice one.

The NRL doesn't have a draft to ensure all clubs have access to talented juniors. The Melbourne Storm model is based on raiding talented juniors from heartland regions that aren't serviced properly by the NRL. Gosford. Sunshine Coast. Rockhampton. SEQ, with a big emphasis on southern Brisbane. NZ. PNG.

We've now got the Dolphins covering Rockhampton and muscling in on Sunshine Coast.

PNG is set to get the 18th licence.

Brisbane Tigers will cover southern Brisbane.

New Zealand 2 and the Warriors' improving professionalism will limit the Storm's ability to raid talent from that country.

So where's the talent going to come from?

Heartland clubs have been poor at identifying talent under their noses in the past, but they're starting to wake up. The extra funding they're getting from the ARLC is helping them narrow the gap between them and the Storm in this department.

Look at what the Broncos have done with Luke Walsh and Ezra Mam!

Walters' son has blossomed under his father's coaching. Broncos are back to being a force to be reckoned with.

What makes you think Perth will be able to do what the Storm have done?

The only advantage Perth will have over Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney is lower cost of living. A $500k contract in Perth will go further than one on the east coast. The tyranny of distance still might deter players from making the move.

They've only just started Jnr pathways due to a $5.5mill hand out from Aus Govt. The whole PNG thing is built on a pack of cards.

How is that any different to Australian NRL and AwFuL clubs receiving funding to build high performance training centres and stadia?

Broncos were given a considerable sum by the Abbott Gov to upgrade their facilities at Red Hill.

It’s what’s best for rugby league

if the storm can’t produce juniors after 30 years why double down on our mistake

we’ve shown how Perth has no value for broadcasters

they won’t be producing juniors for a decade or more

What’s the point when we have far better options

Perth will provide little to no value for the broadcasters. AwFuL games average 56k viewers in Perth. Their timezone would have an impact as the Thursday and Friday night games are running against the 6pm news. That makes Adelaide a better option for the broadcasters.


It would seem the ARLC has learnt something and is insisting on jnr pathways being a key part of any new club proposal business case. Which is why it goes without saying Perth will have a plan for how it works with the NRLWA to strengthen the local game and I have no doubt will have an SG Ball and JF Perth teams (and possibly a ladies feeder side for NRLW team) in those comps from day 1.

The point is if you dont start the journey you will never reach the destination.

This is all conjectural and smells of delusion. You're trying to cope with the harsh reality that Perth is the least appealing option with the most hurdles in front of it.

Where's the money going to come from to field teams these lower competitions?

Compared to the Storm, it'll cost Perth a lot more to fly them across the country.

It’s kind of selfish wanting a team before brisbane easts when they beat you on every metric

but you aren’t the only one on the expansion forum argue out of selfishness

putting Perth ahead of nz2 or Brisbane 3 is stupid

a mistake pvl is going to make

He has an entitlement complex. He believes thr rugby league community in Brisbane don't matter and exist to prop up teams in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth. At the same time he berates them for preferring Origin over Test matches.

Whats selfish is fans in Brisbane demanding a third club because they dont like the two options they've got. The epitome of greed.

Brisbane RL fans have earnt the right to have a third team due to our love for the game since 1908. Without Brisbane's contribution to the sport then the NRL wouldn't be the largest "rugby" competition in the world. Brisbane RL fans have been under served for decades, yet our commitment to the game has remained strong. Strong crowds and participating rates in Brisbane and across Queensland have benefited every club in the NSWRL and NRL. Take away the strong viewing numbers in Queensland and broadcast rights drop significantly. Take away Origin and the game never reaches Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth.

Perth hasn't provided anything of value to the game and never will because it's a rusted on fumbleball state.

I’m not from Brisbane

Brisbane 3 beats Perth on every metric

the nrl isn’t a charity

Brisbane and Sydney and the Mecca and Medina of the rugby league world.

Except the most important for the games future

More bullshit.

AwFuL games in Perth average 56k in a market that is crazy about fumbleball. The broadcasters won't pay anything for an NRL team from Perth.

50 years down the track maybe

over the next 20 years kind of irrelevant

Brisbane 3 nz2 and png will all be paying off decades sooner

Correct. Perth will be a parasite leeching off everyone else.

maybe, maybe not, but highly doubtful all those three are in before Perth.
Businesses grow attracting new customers in new markets. You think Apple would be what it is if it had stuck to making PC's?

More bullshit.

You're really scraping the barrel trying to cope with Perth's perilous predicament.

Dollphins shows brisbane coverage wasn’t close to optimal

and still isn’t

More can be gained by increasing the amount of Brisbane vs Sydney games. No one will care for Perth.

Maybe, but NRL isnt bringing in another Brisbane club so soon and News ltd wont allow it. Its taken 25 years to get them to agree to an outer suburb club called 'The' admission lol

More bullshit from a bloke not coping with reality.
 

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