18th club, whose next?

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

News Ltd propping up Melbourne with $100m extra funding is proof that News Ltd doesn't think Melbourne is worthwhile in Donkey-land.

I never said they didn't think Melbourne is worthwhile. I said they think Adelaide and Perth are worthless. Look at what they did to the Rams and Reds.

 

[Maximus]

There is actually no evidence that the broadcasters want or will pay for another Brisbane team... You and GROTD are running with this but where is the evidence of this? just some vague throwaway comment by the Nine WWOS guy? lol

The Ch9 that paid nothing for the last new Brisbane team right?

 

[mongoose]

The Ch9 that paid nothing for the last new Brisbane team right?

correct, because less Broncos games for them

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There is actually no evidence that the broadcasters want or will pay for another Brisbane team... You and GROTD are running with this but where is the evidence of this? just some vague throwaway comment by the Nine WWOS guy? lol

You label every comment from insiders that doesn't support your delusions as "a throwaway line".

It's obvious you're having trouble coping with the low prospect of Perth getting a team.

 

[Canard]

I never said they didn't think Melbourne is worthwhile. I said they think Adelaide and Perth are worthless. Look at what they did to the Rams and Reds.

Dis you?

 

[Maximus]

I never said they didn't think Melbourne is worthwhile. I said they think Adelaide and Perth are worthless. Look at what they did to the Rams and Reds.

Here's you questioning whether there is evidence that Melbourne provides any value to broadcast rights.

Do you have any evidence to support this?

It can be argued that if the Storm didn't rate well in SEQ and Sydney then the broadcast rights might be significantly less. What it took to get the Storm where they are cannot be replicated in Perth. It's delusional to think a Perth-based team will sit inside the top four over its first 25 years with the best players from Queensland. It's just as delusional to think rugby league fans in SEQ will choose a Perth-based team over the Broncos, Dolphins, Titans and Cowboys. If we go back 25 years, the Cowboys were a joke and the Broncos were on the nose due to their involvement in Super League. Things are different now and Perth won't have any of those advantages.



This is all speculative and there's no evidence to back it up. It's just as bizarre as your claim that the only reason we don't have an NRL team in Perth is because the networks don't want to devalue Origin, and; the ARL and ARU must have a secret agreement in place to give the Force "space".



News Ltd axed Perth because they don't have a big stake in the Perth print media. In Melbourne they have a strong publication.

Ch7 and their network C7Sport held the AwFuL broadcast rights in 1998. Murdoch threw the kitchen sink at getting the AwFuL broadcast rights in 2002.




A Perth-based NRL team isn't going to make a dent in the Perth market. The war was lost 26 years ago. Eagles and Dockers are too big. Just ask @Perth Red. He'll tell you how massive the Eagles and Dockers are compared to the Broncos!

What makes you think a Perth-based NRL team can do what the mighty Broncos cannot?



This is just your opinion.



You don't have any evidence to support your opinion.

And here's you stating that Melbourne is a parasite that provides zero value to broadcasters.

Funding for the QRL and NSWRL will be reduced to cover the expenses of Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth.

Didn't I mention this in my previous post?

Reserving three licences for Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth means three areas from the heartland miss out on progressing to the NRL. A club like the Brisbane Tigers has the capacity to generate more revenue from the broadcasters, provide better third party sponsorship deals for elite players and convert more juniors into NRL stars. Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth will never be anything but parasites that provide zero value to the broadcasters -- look at the cumulative ratings for NRL in these cities --- and poach talent from the heartland.

So what you are saying is that News Ltd believe they are worthwhile despite providing no value to News Ltd?

 

[Bukowski]

Here's you questioning whether there is evidence that Melbourne provides any value to broadcast rights.



And here's you stating that Melbourne is a parasite that provides zero value to broadcasters.



So what you are saying is that News Ltd believe they are worthwhile despite providing no value to News Ltd?

Head of WWOS has spoken ! No further correspondence is needed.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Here's you questioning whether there is evidence that Melbourne provides any value to broadcast rights.



And here's you stating that Melbourne is a parasite that provides zero value to broadcasters.



So what you are saying is that News Ltd believe they are worthwhile despite providing no value to News Ltd?

Reading comprehension. You need to work on it.

As long as the Storm rate well nationally then they're worth something. Their historical ties to SEQ after Super League garnered a strong following in the region. Perth won't have this luxury.

The Melbourne market ain't worth shit for regular season games. Especially ones that don't involve the Storm. Even the Storm games don't generate enough viewers to warrant a spot on the main channel in Melbourne.

 

[Iamback]

It doesn't rate though.

7 flagged they paid to much, and were threatening to pull out for a year or two.

It's in no way comparable to RL.

It is a TV right done post covid. It is an example of the market place now

 

[Colk]

the last tv deal had to be hidden behind contra spending on marvel stadium it was that good

if you are willing to accept less tv money due to Perth coming in instead of Brisbane that’s fine just be consistent

you can’t have both a massive tv deal and adding teams broadcasters don’t want

What that example is not good enough for you?

Also, if their deal is bad or not that good due to inflation (which is what people argue) than our deal is catastrophic.

However you want to twist it, they increased their deal by over 20-30% without adding any new teams

Here’s a timeline from Wookie of these deals

Timeline of VFL/AFL Broadcast Rights

Timeline of AFL Broadcast Rights 1960 – the VFL rejects an offer of 14,000 pounds to broadcast the last quarter and replays 1971 – Ch2 and Ch7 pay $200,000 a year for 5 years ($1 million) to 1975 (…

www.footyindustry.com

They have introduced two sides (very small audience) over the last what 16 years and their TV deals have gone up from $150 per year to over $600 odd million.

Let’s look at other sports

NFL finalizes blockbuster $113bn media rights deal through 2033 season | NFL | The Guardian

The NFL will nearly double its media revenue to more than $10bn a season with new rights agreements announced on Thursday

amp.theguardian.com

Didn’t add any new sides. Change to some more appealing time slots

The US$75bn media rights sale: Why all eyes are on the NBA TV deal that could change US sports broadcasting - SportsPro

SportsPro looks at the state of play for the NBA's next TV deal and explains why this is last chance saloon for anyone looking to shake up the industry.

www.sportspromedia.com

Same here. Didn’t add any new sides as yet although have indicated in other areas that maybe Seattle and Las Vegas will potentially come in. They are not arguing for a third side in New York or LA are they?

NHL moving to Turner Sports is $1 billion risk-reward for hockey

The NHL's new seven-year agreement with AT&T-owned WarnerMedia is worth over $1 billion.

www.cnbc.com

There is another two sports with massive increases without seemingly being dictated to by broadcasters

We’ve bent over backwards to broadcasters, giving in to pretty much to all their demand; yet other sports continually show that if you actually market yourselves well and actually negotiate rather then being lackeys, you get better deals.

 

[Maximus]

Reading comprehension. You need to work on it.

As long as the Storm rate well nationally then they're worth something. Their historical ties to SEQ after Super League garnered a strong following in the region. Perth won't have this luxury.

The Melbourne market ain't worth shit for regular season games. Especially ones that don't involve the Storm. Even the Storm games don't generate enough viewers to warrant a spot on the main channel in Melbourne.

"Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth will never be anything but parasites that provide zero value to the broadcasters"

Your words.

 

[Colk]

What’s this got to do with anything

you’re turning into Perth red with shifting the goal posts

I’m highlighting how bending over backwards in the past has meant that the game has been taken advantage of. You’re arguing for more of the same.

It is pretty central to the argument.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

"Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth will never be anything but parasites that provide zero value to the broadcasters"

Your words.

TV ratings back me up.

 

[Maximus]

TV ratings back me up.

News Ltd are one of those broadcasters. So therefore Melbourne provides no value to News Ltd. But News Ltd put an extra $100m in funding into them even though they provide no value.

The logic in donkey-land.

 

[Wb1234]

There is actually no evidence that the broadcasters want or will pay for another Brisbane team... You and GROTD are running with this but where is the evidence of this? just some vague throwaway comment by the Nine WWOS guy? lol

There’s quotes from fox and nein about what they want which people like you ignore

 

[Wb1234]

I’m highlighting how bending over backwards in the past has meant that the game has been taken advantage of. You’re arguing for more of the same.

It is pretty central to the argument.

Dave smith did the opposite of what fox wanted

how did that go ?

 

[Maximus]

There’s quotes from fox and nein about what they want which people like you ignore

Dave smith did the opposite of what fox wanted

how did that go ?

LU 5 years ago - "Ch9 and Fox's influence on the game is bad and results in us giving the rights away for cheap"
LU today - "We must let Ch9 and Fox run the game"

 

[Colk]

Dave smith did the opposite of what fox wanted

how did that go ?

So let me get this straight: your argument is that because Fox has got us by the balls now and in the past we should just let it continue?

You might be right in that’s probably what will happen. And we will get dudded again if that’s the case.

I’m arguing that it shouldn’t happen. We should be definitely getting the same amount from Pay or streaming companies as the fumblers do at a bare minimum (you know considering we rate a lot better than them)

However, if we go in with the attitude that you’re proposing we definitely won’t.

 

[Wb1234]

So let me get this straight: your argument is that because Fox has got us by the balls now and in the past we should just let it continue?

You might be right in that’s probably what will happen. And we will get dudded again if that’s the case.

I’m arguing that it shouldn’t happen. We should be definitely getting the same amount from Pay or streaming companies as the fumblers do at a bare minimum (you know considering we rate a lot better than them)

However, if we go in with the attitude that you’re proposing we definitely won’t.

My argument is if a broadcaster wants something then doing it helps the value of the tv deal

lol

Dave smith showed what happens when you take on foxtel

it was a disaster

 

[Colk]

My argument is if a broadcaster wants something then doing it helps the value of the tv deal

lol

Dave smith showed what happens when you take on foxtel

it was a disaster

Far out I have given you multiple examples of sports that have procured massive increases not because they slavishly followed some dictum by the current broadcasters

You do realise that you’re going to have to take on broadcasters including Foxtel by putting it out to market and introducing the possibility that they might lose it. It’s a risk yes but that’s the only way that you are going to increase the current deal substantially.

Until this code and negotiators actually become assertive then we’ll be sitting here in the future having the same argument we’re having now regardless of what the broadcasters want.