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Colk

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Foxsports america promotion of Vegas

F****** lol seriously. That backs up my point more than yours. That’s them telling us we’re not giving you anymore money domestically.

Btw that’s the only positive thing coming out of this. We have been forced outside of our nominal national broadcasting arrangements to find other sources of revenue.
 

Wb1234

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F****** lol seriously. That backs up my point more than yours. That’s them telling us we’re not giving you anymore money domestically.

Btw that’s the only positive thing coming out of this. We have been forced outside of our nominal national broadcasting arrangements to find other sources of revenue.
So there are positives

trying to go against foxsports set us back five years under Dave smith why would we repeat it ?
 

Colk

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Ch10/Paramount put in strong bids for AwFuL and Cricket. Both sports bodies rejected them because they were worried about the backlash from News Ltd.

We can take a punt and sign with Ch10/Paramount or Ch9/STAN, but if it backfires then we'll be at News Ltd's mercy when the rights after that are up for grabs.

And getting them to bid would have pushed them (Foxtel) to pony up more money. You don’t have to go with Paramount per se you just need multiple parties to bid for it - supply and demand are pretty basic tenants of capitalism.

Essentially you can’t whinge about Foxtel giving us c*** deals if you don’t get other parties involved.
 

Colk

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So there are positives

trying to go against foxsports set us back five years under Dave smith why would we repeat it ?

Well it is essentially you not understanding that there is a middle ground.

You don’t have to go with somebody other than Foxtel you just need to have another option - to give them the reality that if they lose the rights there potentially goes a lot of subscribers.

It is honestly been obvious that we have been under the thumb of Pay TV since the Dave Smith thing that in turn we have been absolutely screwed by Channel Nine/Foxtel no matter how we have conceded to them. There is enough evidence out there to suggest we shouldn’t continue to do that.
 

Wb1234

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Well it is essentially you not understanding that there is a middle ground.

You don’t have to go with somebody other than Foxtel you just need to have another option - to give them the reality that if they lose the rights there potentially goes a lot of subscribers.

It is honestly been obvious that we have been under the thumb of Pay TV since the Dave Smith thing that in turn we have been absolutely screwed by Channel Nine/Foxtel no matter how we have conceded to them. There is enough evidence out there to suggest we shouldn’t continue to do that.
The two likely bidders for the pay tv rights have both said they want another Brisbane team in the nrl
 
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And getting them to bid would have pushed them (Foxtel) to pony up more money. You don’t have to go with Paramount per se you just need multiple parties to bid for it - supply and demand are pretty basic tenants of capitalism.

Essentially you can’t whinge about Foxtel giving us c*** deals if you don’t get other parties involved.
I agree we should have let other parties bid.

Paramount bid did force Foxtel to increase its offer. Interestingly, Paramount offered to do some of the things that @Perth Red whinges about Ch9 not doing for rugby league in the wasteland states. I don't see him ridiculing AwFuL for taking money over greater exposure in Queensland and NSW.

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Foxtel and Seven were forced to pay significantly more than anyone imagined due to Channel Ten and Paramount’s bid of $6 billion over 10 years. Channel Ten and its owner Paramount forced Foxtel and Seven’s hand by upping the ante with Ten’s 10-year $6 billion bid – which Ten insiders believe was only beaten on the buzzer by a late top-up by News Corp/Foxtel.

Nine made a last-minute offer for the entirety of the rights around the $500 million mark, which was ultimately unsuccessful. Participants say Nine’s bid came in the lowest, between $500 million and $520 million in cash over five years.

Ten/Paramount’s pitch – about $100m a year ahead of Nine – wasn’t simply financial. The final offer from Paramount/Channel 10 came in about $570 million over 10 years, sources say. The American-owned network (which has a streaming arm Paramount +) also offered to put footy on free to air, on the primary channel, every Saturday night, in Queensland and NSW; obviously, their pitch had to exceed the incumbents. Eventually, they were beaten on dollars.

The combined pitch by Seven West Media and Foxtel is understood to be worth $550 million a year – cash and contra totalling $3.85 billion over seven years according to News Limited and Roy Masters – with additional revenue from Telstra for their AFL Live app taking the deal past $4 billion in cash. According to the Financial Review, excluding the free advertising attached to broadcast deals known as contra, the Seven-Foxtel bid came to roughly $600 million in cash each year over seven years, according to several participants.

 

Wb1234

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I agree we should have let other parties bid.

Paramount bid did force Foxtel to increase its offer. Interestingly, Paramount offered to do some of the things that @Perth Red whinges about Ch9 not doing for rugby league in the wasteland states. I don't see him ridiculing AwFuL for taking money over greater exposure in Queensland and NSW.

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Foxtel and Seven were forced to pay significantly more than anyone imagined due to Channel Ten and Paramount’s bid of $6 billion over 10 years. Channel Ten and its owner Paramount forced Foxtel and Seven’s hand by upping the ante with Ten’s 10-year $6 billion bid – which Ten insiders believe was only beaten on the buzzer by a late top-up by News Corp/Foxtel.​
Nine made a last-minute offer for the entirety of the rights around the $500 million mark, which was ultimately unsuccessful. Participants say Nine’s bid came in the lowest, between $500 million and $520 million in cash over five years.​
Ten/Paramount’s pitch – about $100m a year ahead of Nine – wasn’t simply financial. The final offer from Paramount/Channel 10 came in about $570 million over 10 years, sources say. The American-owned network (which has a streaming arm Paramount +) also offered to put footy on free to air, on the primary channel, every Saturday night, in Queensland and NSW; obviously, their pitch had to exceed the incumbents. Eventually, they were beaten on dollars.
The combined pitch by Seven West Media and Foxtel is understood to be worth $550 million a year – cash and contra totalling $3.85 billion over seven years according to News Limited and Roy Masters – with additional revenue from Telstra for their AFL Live app taking the deal past $4 billion in cash. According to the Financial Review, excluding the free advertising attached to broadcast deals known as contra, the Seven-Foxtel bid came to roughly $600 million in cash each year over seven years, according to several participants.​
I don’t think ten / paramount are keen for the nrl

Stan and nein are
 

Colk

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I agree we should have let other parties bid.

Paramount bid did force Foxtel to increase its offer. Interestingly, Paramount offered to do some of the things that @Perth Red whinges about Ch9 not doing for rugby league in the wasteland states. I don't see him ridiculing AwFuL for taking money over greater exposure in Queensland and NSW.

Media
Foxtel and Seven were forced to pay significantly more than anyone imagined due to Channel Ten and Paramount’s bid of $6 billion over 10 years. Channel Ten and its owner Paramount forced Foxtel and Seven’s hand by upping the ante with Ten’s 10-year $6 billion bid – which Ten insiders believe was only beaten on the buzzer by a late top-up by News Corp/Foxtel.​
Nine made a last-minute offer for the entirety of the rights around the $500 million mark, which was ultimately unsuccessful. Participants say Nine’s bid came in the lowest, between $500 million and $520 million in cash over five years.​
Ten/Paramount’s pitch – about $100m a year ahead of Nine – wasn’t simply financial. The final offer from Paramount/Channel 10 came in about $570 million over 10 years, sources say. The American-owned network (which has a streaming arm Paramount +) also offered to put footy on free to air, on the primary channel, every Saturday night, in Queensland and NSW; obviously, their pitch had to exceed the incumbents. Eventually, they were beaten on dollars.
The combined pitch by Seven West Media and Foxtel is understood to be worth $550 million a year – cash and contra totalling $3.85 billion over seven years according to News Limited and Roy Masters – with additional revenue from Telstra for their AFL Live app taking the deal past $4 billion in cash. According to the Financial Review, excluding the free advertising attached to broadcast deals known as contra, the Seven-Foxtel bid came to roughly $600 million in cash each year over seven years, according to several participants.​

Sure and fumbleball had the opportunity to have a decision to accept this in lieu of more money or not.

I would get them involved whether we truly want to go with them or not. You are never going to force Foxtel/Channel Nine to go in with greater money and better conditions without at least some competitions,

To be fair we need some better competition and we need better coverage than what we are getting
 

Colk

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The two likely bidders for the pay tv rights have both said they want another Brisbane team in the nrl

That’s fine if that’s the case. The point I’m trying I’m trying to make (which I thought was pretty simple) is that it is more dependent on competition.

The increases the fumbleball, basketball, gridiron and American soccer weren’t given because they blindly accepted locations, they got that because they got rival broadcasters to bid against each other.
 

Iamback

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There are like multiple stations that could bid for it. Ch 9/Stan, Seven/7 mate, Paramount/Ten, Fox and Amazon Prime just off the top of my head.

You think ch7 can afford the rights after getting cricket and AFL?

Amazon Prime has yet to show a want in taking on local sports. Particularly one that has a high cost and high rights price.

Channel 10 won't bid alone.

That leaves you with

10/Paramount
Fox/9
Stan/9

As the only options.

10 has Regional FTA issues.

Not sure Stan will go very high when they can partner up with fox and get the best of the NRL and pay $150m as opposed to $700 or so you'd need for it all
 

Wb1234

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You think ch7 can afford the rights after getting cricket and AFL?

Amazon Prime has yet to show a want in taking on local sports. Particularly one that has a high cost and high rights price.

Channel 10 won't bid alone.

That leaves you with

10/Paramount
Fox/9
Stan/9

As the only options.

10 has Regional FTA issues.

Not sure Stan will go very high when they can partner up with fox and get the best of the NRL and pay $150m as opposed to $700 or so you'd need for it all
Seven might throw a bid just to keep nine honest


what they offered for origin was peanuts
 

Iamback

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Ch10/Paramount put in strong bids for AwFuL and Cricket. Both sports bodies rejected them because they were worried about the backlash from News Ltd.

We can take a punt and sign with Ch10/Paramount or Ch9/STAN, but if it backfires then we'll be at News Ltd's mercy when the rights after that are up for grabs.

Not entirely.

Ch10 had the issue with their regional FTA network.

Paramount plus is a dread ful service in the Regions.

They be left expanding to Tas with no guarantee those down there would get a reception

Same issues would be a concern for NRL with regional QLD and most of WA. Should Perth come in.
 

Iamback

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They’ve said they are bidding for the lot

can’t see them outbidding fox

Atleast in the US. Fox is aligned with Disney...

They also have pubs/clubs set up to broadcast the game and more subscribers.

They won't lose because it is great for both parties
 

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