18th club, whose next?

[Pippen94]

There is a bit to unpack there.

1. That depends on a lot of things. It depends on Channel Nine retaining the rights and it also depends on what framework they have if they retain the rights. If it is the same arrangement as it is now, they probably won’t be paying much more than they are now; even more so if there is no competitive tension. They have shown no inclination to pay more regardless of who is in the competition.

2. Why would Foxtel care who hosts the 6pm game? That is the same thing as somebody saying that they need Perth to host the Sunday 6pm game (which by the way you have rejected as unimportant). They’ll want those time slots for whomever is in the competition. The argument is that it is better for the clubs to not have to host those games because it impacts on their attendances.

A couple of additional things on this: how does a Kiwi side help Australian advertisers and secondly what are the current ratings for the Warriors on PayTV. Those things are more important.

Lastly, being two hours ahead of the east coast doesn’t really help with ratings in NZ either.

An additional Kiwi side would have massive benefits for the competition (take on RU, build the sport in NZ and development of players etc) but I struggle to see how it would be a TV decision

3. Corporates and sponsorship is more than just corporate facilities at a ground.

Calm down, nobody watches NRL in Perth. Nine said they wanted more se Qld teams & fox footed bill for Redcliffe expansion. Nobody in tv has indicated they want Perth..

 

[Pippen94]

Do they? Any evidence for that position?

Yes I do. Average raiders fan height is 170cm: smallest fanbase in NRL..

 

[Pippen94]

Thanks for confirming nrl crowds are increasing in Perth. Bodes well for the game.

2019 state of origin: 59,721
2022 state of origin: 59,358
2023 double header: 42,042

(Do U need me to plot this as chart?!)

 

[mongoose]

There might not even be a Friday 6pm game next round of negotiations.

 

[Pippen94]

There might not even be a Friday 6pm game next round of negotiations.

Source?!

 

[Bukowski]

2019 state of origin: 59,721
2022 state of origin: 59,358
2023 double header: 42,042

(Do U need me to plot this as chart?!)

Oh, so your now comparing State of Origin crowds to NRL games. Lol
Looks like crowds in the NRL are going down all over then.
BTW has QLD ever topped the 59k origin crowds that Perth gets every time? I guess Perth loves league more than QLD.
you're getting into donkey category of stupid fella.

 

[Canard]

How many Perth-based companies are interested in promoting their product to rugby league fans in Queensland and NSW?

This is a ridiculous arguement. Of course companies wont exposure on the East Coast you numbat.

For example, Peet and Satterley are two of the biggest land developers in Australia, with projects all over SEQ, Sydney and Melbourne. Guess where they are based?

Frankly this is such a poorly thought out argument that I suspect you are just shit stirring now, or completely devoid of any critical thinking.

 

[Bukowski]

This is a ridiculous arguement. Of course companies wont exposure on the East Coast you numbat.

For example, Peet and Satterley are two of the biggest land developers in Australia, with projects all over SEQ, Sydney and Melbourne. Guess where they are based?

Frankly this is such a poorly thought out argument that I suspect you are just shit stirring now, or completely devoid of any critical thinking.

I wonder if he has heard of Wesfarmers.
He's not shit stirring though, the other 2 knobs do that. He's just a simpleton.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There's nothing stopping a Perth-based company from sponsoring an existing NRL club from the east coast. We don't need an NRL club in Perth to lure in sponsorship from companies that are based in Western Australia.

How many Perth-based companies are currently sponsoring NRL clubs?

 

[Colk]

Calm down, nobody watches NRL in Perth. Nine said they wanted more se Qld teams & fox footed bill for Redcliffe expansion. Nobody in tv has indicated they want Perth..

False statements don’t serve you well.

 

[Colk]

2019 state of origin: 59,721
2022 state of origin: 59,358
2023 double header: 42,042

(Do U need me to plot this as chart?!)

Wow that’s the dumbest argument I have ever seen.

 

[Colk]

Source?!

They are reducing the amount of 6pm games

NRL set to scrap early Friday night games under new proposal

A plan to reduce the number of matches played in the 6pm Friday timeslot will be a win for fans. But what other space does the NRL want to creep into?

amp.smh.com.au

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I'm still waiting for an answer regarding Perth-based companies sponsoring NRL clubs?

If a Perth-based company wants to promote their business to rugby league fans in Queensland and NSW then they’ve got 14 clubs to work with.

 

[Colk]

The Perth market is almost as useless to the Australian FTA networks as the NZ market is to them.



Foxtel don't care who hosts the game, but benefit from airing a match in this timeslot. The clubs don't want to host it. The only clubs that benefit from hosting it are Warriors and NZ2.

The 6pm Sun AEST game isn't as much of a crowd killer as 6pm Fri AEST or 7.30pm Thurs AEST.



The Warriors don't rate too well on Australian PTV.

NZ2 offers little to the Australian broadcasters, but they double the amount of local content for NZ TV.

Perth offers nothing to the Australian and NZ broadcasters.

I'm yet to see any evidence that the broadcasters and sponsors are holding back the amount of money they're willing to pay to the current clubs because Perth lacks a team.



6pm Fri AEST is 8pm NZST. Prime time for the NZ market and ideal for Foxtel in Australia.

6pm Sun AEST is 4pm AWST. Not prime time for Perth.



NZ TV benefits from NZ2.



How does a Perth-based team increase the amount of revenue the Cowboys, Broncos and Roosters generate from their sponsors and corporate hospitality?

The argument from Perth Red and mongoose is our clubs receive less revenue from corporate hospitality and sponsorship due to not having teams in Adelaide and Perth. I haven't seen any evidence to back up their argument.

I don't see any evidence of a Perth-based team generating much revenue from sponsorship and corporate hospitality. The reality is only a dozen or less of their games will be broadcast on FTA. Of the ones that are broadcast on FTA, all will be televised into Perth on 9Gem or 9Go.

How many Perth-based companies are interested in promoting their product to rugby league fans in Queensland and NSW?

For a start, they would need to have stores in Queensland and NSW. Cash Converters is the only company from Perth that comes to mind. Retravision used to have stores in Queensland, but they have retreated back to Perth.

1. So it is better than yes?
2. Is it? They are both not particularly great timeslots.
3. It does but there is a monopoly in NZ. It has been addressed multiple times over the years. Unless there is competition it is unrealistic to expect much of an increase.
4. You do realise that your original example was the Thursday and Friday night prime time games. Those games are starting at 10pm in NZ That’s not particularly family friendly.
5. I agree it is not that simplistic but the fumblers have pushed the national elements of their competition very well. We could learn a lot from them regards to how they promote their competition.
6. You are kidding yeah? Why wouldn’t they? Simple economic picture is this. You have a state of nearly 3million with a nominal GDP per capita of about 140k compared to let’s say the South Island which has a population of 1.2 million and a GDP per capita of $61k NZD (refer below). Now who is more likely to have more corporate dollars?

New Zealand GDP per Capita: South Island | Economic Indicators | CEIC

New Zealand GDP per Capita: South Island data was reported at 70,973.000 NZD in Mar 2023. This records an increase from the previous number of 65,976.000 NZD for Mar 2022. New Zealand GDP per Capita: South Island data is updated yearly, averaging 45,564.000 NZD (Median) from Mar 2000 to 2023...

www.ceicdata.com

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

1. So it is better than yes?
2. Is it? They are both not particularly great timeslots.
3. It does but there is a monopoly in NZ. It has been addressed multiple times over the years. Unless there is competition it is unrealistic to expect much of an increase.
4. You do realise that your original example was the Thursday and Friday night prime time games. Those games are starting at 10pm in NZ That’s not particularly family friendly.
5. I agree it is not that simplistic but the fumblers have pushed the national elements of their competition very well. We could learn a lot from them regards to how they promote their competition.
6. You are kidding yeah? Why wouldn’t they? Simple economic picture is this. You have a state of nearly 3million with a nominal GDP per capita of about 140k compared to let’s say the South Island which has a population of 1.2 million and a GDP per capita of $61k NZD (refer below). Now who is more likely to have more corporate dollars?

New Zealand GDP per Capita: South Island | Economic Indicators | CEIC

New Zealand GDP per Capita: South Island data was reported at 70,973.000 NZD in Mar 2023. This records an increase from the previous number of 65,976.000 NZD for Mar 2022. New Zealand GDP per Capita: South Island data is updated yearly, averaging 45,564.000 NZD (Median) from Mar 2000 to 2023...

www.ceicdata.com

If Sky holds a monopoly over New Zealand then Foxtel holds a monopoly over Australia. No one is going to outbid Foxtel. Ch7 doesn't have the money to out bid Ch9.

It doesn't matter how much money the mining sector in Western Australia generates. All that matters is how many Western Australian companies are willing to invest in rugby league.

Rugby league is a minority sport in Western Australia.

 

[Iamback]

I wonder if he has heard of Wesfarmers.
He's not shit stirring though, the other 2 knobs do that. He's just a simpleton.

The Panthers major sponsor is a Perth based company. It isn't like we are only getting East Coast companies in the game now

Westpac who were the last sponsorship the game announced. Are also big in NZ. I am sure they'd love NZ 2 just as much as Perth.

Literally the next team in no matter where it is will bring something to the existing sponsors, TV

 

[Perth Red]

I think donkey needs to tell us again why he thinks perth shouldn’t have team, I don’t think he’s explained it enough yet!

 

[Bukowski]

The Panthers major sponsor is a Perth based company. It isn't like we are only getting East Coast companies in the game now

Westpac who were the last sponsorship the game announced. Are also big in NZ. I am sure they'd love NZ 2 just as much as Perth.

Literally the next team in no matter where it is will bring something to the existing sponsors, TV

Yup. There's only one dickhead here who otherwise.

 

[MugaB]

I think donkey needs to tell us again why he thinks perth shouldn’t have team, I don’t think he’s explained it enough yet!

Wow that's pretty hypocritical... wheres the cmon NRL banner PR, u know yadda yadda yadda

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The Panthers major sponsor is a Perth based company. It isn't like we are only getting East Coast companies in the game now

Westpac who were the last sponsorship the game announced. Are also big in NZ. I am sure they'd love NZ 2 just as much as Perth.

Literally the next team in no matter where it is will bring something to the existing sponsors, TV

The expansionists argue the game needs teams in Adelaide and Perth to generate more revenue from sponsorship. The fact we've got a Western Australian company sponsoring Penrith suggests their claim is bullshit.