18th club, whose next?

[Dragonwest]

The likelihood of FIFO NRL players getting attacked in Port Moresby is extremely low, although security will need to be tightened to guarantee their safety. A barrier might need to be built around the field to prevent fans from swarming onto the field.

Didn't Lloyd Robson Oval have a security barrier around the field before it was replaced with the National Football Stadium?

If the players were living in Port Moresby then it might be too risky. FIFO shouldn't cause any problems.

So working FIFO and players traveling to PNG to play is fine, but players living in Perth and opposition travelling to Perth is a massive issue ....

 

[Canard]

Loads of nrl players have said they want a swansong there

I mean in all the bullshit in the world, this is by far the most bullshit.

Even the minimum NRL wage is huge in PNG money, There will be no problem filling a squad. Like everyone getting quality halves will be

A squad filled with minimum wage locals is going to be thrashed week in-week out. That's a very bad thing for the NRL.

 

[Iamback]

I mean in all the bullshit in the world, this is by far the most bullshit.

A squad filled with minimum wage locals is going to be thrashed week in-week out. That's a very bad thing for the NRL.

How many guys would move to say Perth by themselves for say $150k?

It doesn't matter where the side is, player availabilty will be the biggest issue

 

[Iamback]

So working FIFO and players traveling to PNG to play is fine, but players living in Perth and opposition travelling to Perth is a massive issue ....

Well you want to be on a 5 day turnaround after playing in Perth... one of the many new problems that comes from expansion

 

[Canard]

How many guys would move to say Perth by themselves for say $150k?

Considering thats about $60k higher than the average salary, I would say "a shitload".

 

[Bukowski]

f**k, I moved here without even having a job lined up.

Considering thats about $60k higher than the average salary, I would say "a shitload".

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[Iamback]

Considering thats about $60k higher than the average salary, I would say "a shitload".

Except NRL players pay 47% tax. Not nearly enough for all the shit they will miss with family on the other side of the country

 

[Canard]

Except NRL players pay 47% tax. Not nearly enough for all the shit they will miss with family on the other side of the country

NRL players pay the same amount of tax as anyone else, which is taxed on a sliding scale.

Hundreds of thousands of Aussies work FIFO jobs where they are away for 4,5,6 weeks at a time.




This is a nothing burger.

 

[Wb1234]

Except NRL players pay 47% tax. Not nearly enough for all the shit they will miss with family on the other side of the country

Hmm that’s an interesting point

I wonder what the tax treatment would be of png players

if the png govt gives them concessional tax rates like France does for union players then that could be a huge advantage

 

[Iamback]

NRL players pay the same amount of tax as anyone else, which is taxed on a sliding scale.

Hundreds of thousands of Aussies work FIFO jobs where they are away for 4,5,6 weeks at a time.


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This is a nothing burger.

FIFO don't move their family across with them and accomodation covered. So costs to the worker are way lower

You are either getting someone to move their wives, kids etc across. Which involves other people leaving their job, kids out of school for a 12 month contract in most cases.

Or leaving them behind and missing out on milestones.

There is no simple location, RL is moving into the harder locations and each has their own different problems.

The reason we have this shit transfer system now is players want time to sort shit out, The nature of these contracts mean 9/10 times when they have options they will stay local

 

[Iamback]

Hmm that’s an interesting point

I wonder what the tax treatment would be of png players

if the png govt gives them concessional tax rates like France does for union players then that could be a huge advantage

Top players will get 4-5 years and a shit load of money. It will be easier in those cases. Mid- lower tier are where all the mentioned locations will have problems.

1-2 years makes it hard when you can stay local. Wife/GF can keep working, stay in your house etc

 

[Brian potter]

The security thing has been done to death

that’s literally why it’s being based in cairns

private jets to and from games and I’m sure the best hotels and training facilities will be provided

this team isn’t going to want for anything financially

Totally unsustainable in the long-term when government handouts end.

 

[Canard]

FIFO don't move their family across with them and accomodation covered. So costs to the worker are way lower

You are either getting someone to move their wives, kids etc across. Which involves other people leaving their job, kids out of school for a 12 month contract in most cases.

Or leaving them behind and missing out on milestones.

There is no simple location, RL is moving into the harder locations and each has their own different problems.

The reason we have this shit transfer system now is players want time to sort shit out, The nature of these contracts mean 9/10 times when they have options they will stay local

This is the same minor issues that face every club located outside of Sydney now though.

 

[Bukowski]

FIFO don't move their family across with them and accomodation covered. So costs to the worker are way lower

You are either getting someone to move their wives, kids etc across. Which involves other people leaving their job, kids out of school for a 12 month contract in most cases.

Or leaving them behind and missing out on milestones.

There is no simple location, RL is moving into the harder locations and each has their own different problems.

The reason we have this shit transfer system now is players want time to sort shit out, The nature of these contracts mean 9/10 times when they have options they will stay local

So moving to Perth will be no harder than moving to png.

 

[jim_57]

Except NRL players pay 47% tax. Not nearly enough for all the shit they will miss with family on the other side of the country

Nobody with any sense plans their life around their pre-tax income figure and If they did they’d run in to the same issues whether they’re in Sydney, Perth or Darwin. Also the gummint aren’t taking 47% of their income.

That’s also a pretty huge generalisation, not everyone wants to live in their parent’s pockets their whole life. Clubs like Warriors, Cowboys and Storm manage it let alone all the players who’ve done stints on the other side of the Earth in England/France.

 

[Canard]

Top players will get 4-5 years and a shit load of money. It will be easier in those cases. Mid- lower tier are where all the mentioned locations will have problems.

1-2 years makes it hard when you can stay local. Wife/GF can keep working, stay in your house etc

Hmm that’s an interesting point

I wonder what the tax treatment would be of png players

if the png govt gives them concessional tax rates like France does for union players then that could be a huge advantage

NRL players don't pay anymore tax then anyone else, and you certainly dont pay a total 47% on $150k salary.

PNG tax rate is actually a flat 42%, so a much worse deal for anyone earning $180k or less.

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[Canard]

Nobody with any sense plans their life around their pre-tax income figure and If they did they’d run in to the same issues whether they’re in Sydney, Perth or Darwin. Also the gummint aren’t taking 47% of their income.

That’s also a pretty huge generalisation, not everyone wants to live in their parent’s pockets their whole life. Clubs like Warriors, Cowboys and Storm manage it let alone all the players who’ve done stints on the other side of the Earth in England/France.

The Storm players, in particular, talk often about how refreshing it is to be able go about your life in public largely unrecognised, and away from the pressures of the extended family.

 

[Brian potter]

But $600 million.

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[Iamback]

Nobody with any sense plans their life around their pre-tax income figure and If they did they’d run in to the same issues whether they’re in Sydney, Perth or Darwin. Also the gummint aren’t taking 47% of their income.

That’s also a pretty huge generalisation, not everyone wants to live in their parent’s pockets their whole life. Clubs like Warriors, Cowboys and Storm manage it let alone all the players who’ve done stints on the other side of the Earth in England/France.

Funny you mention those clubs, How many recruits are they signing on single year deals from say Brisbane and Sydney?

No one is saying in their parents pockets but wives in particular need family given the life of an NRL player.

As for the player themselves, Of course they want to leave the nest but they aren't going to leave halfway through courses or whatever they are doing off field.

Your England example as you used also very few young ones go over. Certainly not without a multi year deal, Same applies for NZ, Cairns, Perth and anywhere wanting a team. Players and coaches are the biggest issue with expanison.

As for the tax rate, isn't 47% what Kiwi, poms and anyone not an Australian citizen pays?

 

[Iamback]

So moving to Perth will be no harder than moving to png.

well no. A PNG side will live in Cairns

As we have seen for sides like Cowboys, Warriors and the like, recruiting is hard particularly for the cheaper/shorter deals