18th club, whose next?

[Wb1234]

Soccer is a big sport everywhere, sadly for them the Aleague has fallen into a big hole and appointing gallop didnt help!

Over the next decade or so there will be a huge rationalisation in the number of football clubs in australia

only rugby league has all its clubs on a solid basis to avoid the shake out

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yet you believe becuase an Aleague club is struggling in perth this has a relevance to the viability of a possible perth nrl club?

The only way that would make sense is if you believe the interest in Aleague and the interest in NRL in WA is at the same level, and that an nrl club would be as badly run s the glory have been for the last 15 years. And also that corporates would view being on board as a sponsor of an nrl club is the same value as being a sponsor of an Aleague club.

Do you honestly believe that?

Don't be so stupid and delusional.

The Perth Glory were drawing bigger crowds in the NSL while the Reds were pulling half as many fans to their games and losing more money than they made. This is during the so called golden age of RL in Perth when there were 10k players.

The fact is the Glory drew an average of 14,979 fans to their home games in the 1997-98 NSL season. The NSL was less popular around the country than the A-League is today. Reds drew just 13,390 in their debut season. In 96 and 97 the Reds attendances were just 8,262 and 8,776. These facts refute the bullshit narrative you're trying to spin about rugby league being more popular than soccer in Perth.

Neither you, Colk, Butthurtski nor Maxipad have proved that a Perth-based NRL club will generate enough revenue from sponsorship and corporate hospitality to compete in the NRL. You know that the mid-sized clubs run on a budget of $30-35m. The larger clubs run on a budget of $40-45m. With just $17m coming from the annual grant that leaves a lot of money for Perth to gemerate if it wishes to compete with the mid-sized clubs. The irony is Perth will struggle to be aa strong as Cronulla or Wests. That's a death sentence for a Perth-based club because it won't have pokies or a nursery to rely on.

 

[TheEroticGamer]

Western United
Newcastle
Wanderers
Macarthur

All gone soon

 

[Perth Red]

It’s not my fault you can’t work it out

png you are full of doubts

then when it comes to Perth no doubts

when it comes to juniors with Perth it’s a case of give us 10 to 50 years we will get there

with regard to growing tv audiences same give us 50 years and we will

In terms of the clubs viability it’s ignore what happened last time it will be different

>>> Perth bid = trust me bro

I’m not alone
I have doubts oerth will ever get a team, not because it couldn’t be successful but because this is rugba league, I have doubts about our ability to build a competitive squad in early years, I have doubts about level of govt support as we do t know what that looks like. not being involved with tehbcurrent interested parties i have no idea what ten busines case looks like, hopefully it stacks up and provides a compelling case to the arlc and they are open and brave enough to make our game a national comp.

png the issues and concerns are very real and very obvious. it’s a developing nation ffs, what professional domestic sports competition in the world has a developing nation joining a developed nation comp?

 

[Wb1234]

I’m not alone
I have doubts oerth will ever get a team, not because it couldn’t be successful but because this is rugba league, I have doubts about our ability to build a competitive squad in early years, I have doubts about level of govt support as we do t know what that looks like. not being involved with tehbcurrent interested parties i have no idea what ten busines case looks like, hopefully it stacks up and provides a compelling case to the arlc and they are open and brave enough to make our game a national comp.

png the issues and concerns are very real and very obvious. it’s a developing nation ffs, what professional domestic sports completion in the world has a developing nation joining a developed nation comp?

600 million bucks

you’re going to argue a new stand at hbf is enough govt help for a Perth nrl team

every bid team has questions over it

if the png bid evolves as discussed the reality is it’s a compelling bid

and that’s without seeing their business plan

 

[Centy Coast]

How many guys would move to say Perth by themselves for say $150k?

It doesn't matter where the side is, player availabilty will be the biggest issue

You could easily fill a Perth side, many players I have spoken to would move there in a heart beat.

 

[Colk]

I never said that at all. You're putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5.

I argued that the Glory's failure doesn't do the Perth NRL bid any favours. I never said it applies to every market in the country.

In the Perth market, soccer has a long history of being more viable than rugby league at the professional level. We know this because the Glory were drawing bigger crowds than the Reds in the NSL during the 1990s.

It's not my fault that you and your mates know nothing about the Perth market.

You know as well as I do that the A-League’s problems are completely seperate to the NRL/AFL and to try and rather ineptly conjure a correlation between these leagues is ridiculous to the extreme.

If you want to use fumbleball as a yardstick that’s fair enough. But the A-League? Seriously?

The A-League is a poorly run competition which can’t compete globally in terms of talent, coaching and administration. That is the problem that the A-League faces. These are problems that Rugby League and fumbleball don’t face. Also, with regards to crowds (bringing up from 1990’s) you might want to reflect on the indisputable fact that soccer and union crowds have essentially fallen off a cliff everywhere. Not just in Perth but everywhere.

If you really want to use context have a look at the crowds that the Glory or the Roar or Jets or anybody else had and then compare it to now. You can do the same with Union. Their crowds have dropped what 50-60% over the last 20 years. Their competitions are bordering on irrelevance now.

I bet you also twenty years ago, outside of say the Broncos or the Cowboys and maybe the Knights that every league team had s*** crowds. For example average crowds during Super League and ARL and before that even were less on average that what Super Rugby were getting. Probably even less than what the A-League were getting initially. Did you factor in this or does that not help your argument?

 

[Perth Red]

Don't be so stupid and delusional.

The Perth Glory were drawing bigger crowds in the NSL while the Reds were pulling half as many fans to their games and losing more money than they made. This is during the so called golden age of RL in Perth when there were 10k players.

The fact is the Glory drew an average of 14,979 fans to their home games in the 1997-98 NSL season. The NSL was less popular around the country than the A-League is today. Reds drew just 13,390 in their debut season. In 96 and 97 the Reds attendances were just 8,262 and 8,776. These facts refute the bullshit narrative you're trying to spin about rugby league being more popular than soccer in Perth.

Neither you, Colk, Butthurtski nor Maxipad have proved that a Perth-based NRL club will generate enough revenue from sponsorship and corporate hospitality to compete in the NRL. You know that the mid-sized clubs run on a budget of $30-35m. The larger clubs run on a budget of $40-45m. With just $17m coming from the annual grant that leaves a lot of money for Perth to gemerate if it wishes to compete with the mid-sized clubs. The irony is Perth will struggle to be aa strong as Cronulla or Wests. That's a death sentence for a Perth-based club because it won't have pokies or a nursery to rely on.

Oh joy we’re on a back to the for future trip again!

do you understand the concept of context? You’re comparing the glory days of perth glory, new to the comp, quality team heading for top of table and premierships with a club in the middle of a war that had split the fans, clubs and whole game and turned many away,

youre sling for the unprovable. What we know for fact is oerth is wealthy city with a lot of rich corporates based here, we also know there’s a number of rich company owners who like rugby league here. Does that mean we’ll have big sponsorship portfolio? I dont know, but there is no real reason it should be anymore an issue than for any other club,

I’ve shown you the figures, 15k crowd avg, 20k members and $7-10mill in corporate support and the club will be fine. That’s very achievable for a club in a major sports comp in australias 4th largest city by population and richest city by disposable income.

 

[Colk]

And the jets struggled to maintain their crowds against the dominant football code in Newcastle

people lost interest

Firstly, they play in seperate seasons. You keep refusing to acknowledge this pretty obvious fact. Of most importance is the standard is poor. If the standard was say equivalent to a European league then the interest would have been maintained. It’s not that hard to work out.

 

[Wb1234]

Firstly, they play in seperate seasons. You keep refusing to acknowledge this pretty obvious fact. Of most importance is the standard is poor. If the standard was say equivalent to a European league then the interest would have been maintained. It’s not that hard to work out.

Crowds fell off so it’s not about a bad standard

 

[Wb1234]

Oh joy we’re on a back to the for future trip again!

do you understand the concept of context? You’re comparing the glory days of perth glory, new to the comp, quality team heading for top of table and premierships with a club in the middle of a war that had split the fans, clubs and whole game and turned many away,

youre sling for the unprovable. What we know for fact is oerth is wealthy city with a lot of rich corporates based here, we also know there’s a number of rich company owners who like rugby league here. Does that mean we’ll have big sponsorship portfolio? I dont know, but there is no real reason it should be anymore an issue than for any other club,

I’ve shown you the figures, 15k crowd avg, 20k members and $7-10mill in corporate support and the club will be fine. That’s very achievable for a club in a major sports comp in australias 4th largest city by population and richest city by disposable income.

Trust
Me
Bro

 

[Colk]

Crowds fell off so it’s not about a bad standard

Huh? Your retort makes no sense at all

 

[Perth Red]

You could easily fill a Perth side, many players I have spoken to would move there in a heart beat.

Attracting the established stars will be challenging without concessions. personally if I was setting the club up I’d go to SL and try and sign the best 5 established English SL stars, the best 5 u20 English players to reserve grade and 3 or 4 ex nrl players over there who can still offer something in nrl. Then try and build a competent squad from other nrl players and invest heavily in WA development and partner with a nsw cup or qrl cup club, or both, so in 5 years or so we have jnrs coming through committed to the club,

 

[Wb1234]

Huh? Your retort makes no sense at all

Jets crowds were much higher then fell

if poor standard is valid they never would’ve had good crowds like they did for ages

 

[Colk]

Over the next decade or so there will be a huge rationalisation in the number of football clubs in australia

only rugby league has all its clubs on a solid basis to avoid the shake out

Yeah right.

 

[Wb1234]

Attracting the established stars will be challenging without concessions. personally if I was setting the club up I’d go to SL and try and sign the best 5 established English SL stars, the best 5 u20 English players to reserve grade and 3 or 4 ex nrl players over there who can still offer something in nrl. Then try and build a competent squad from other nrl players and invest heavily in WA development and partner with a nsw cup or qrl cup club, or both, so in 5 years or so we have jnrs coming through committed to the club,

Might as well just relocate Wigan

 

[Colk]

Jets crowds were much higher then fell

if poor standard is valid they never would’ve had good crowds like they did for ages

Think it through mate.

 

[Perth Red]

Trust
Me
Bro

hmm for someone who thinks a) govt funding will last forever, and b) png will be flooded with corporate sponsors, this is a somewhat ironic post!

 

[Perth Red]

Might as well just relocate Wigan

I’d take their squad anyday! They’d be pretty competitive in nrl with just a handful of additions.

 

[Wb1234]

hmm for someone who thinks a) govt funding will last forever, and b) png will be flooded with corporate sponsors, this is a somewhat ironic post!

The irony is that when it comes to any bid other than Perth you make it sound impossible

but for Perth any potential doubts are just stupid

see ?