18th club, whose next?

[Wb1234]

Think it through mate.

You should

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Those guys really are thick

we’re talking about minor sports struggling against the major sport in each city

I knew @Perth Red would take the bait and try to deflect attention away from this fact. I'm surprised @Colk fell for butthurtski's irrelevant comparison with genuine rugby league cities. Everyone knows butthurtski responds to inconvenient facts by creating a strawman. An example is butthurtski referring to WWOS Head of Strategy Simon Fordham as the "local weatherman". Maxipad is too hormonal to think properly.

 

[Perth Red]

The irony is that when it comes to any bid other than Perth you make it sound impossible

but for Perth any potential doubts are just stupid

see ?

False eloquence, I just don’t see the same levels of issues.

christchurch I see its issues being financial viability for an nrl club in small city where union is god. And there is no serious backers at this time.

perth I see player recruitment and retention as being the biggest issue and dependant on what govt is offering to sweeten deal

easts I see an issue in new market demand and strategic Importance for the game long term

png, that’s just got issues everywhere you look and if it wasn’t for our govt’s largesse with our money wouldn’t be considered in a month of sundays

most options issues are solve able except png, imo.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Your entire argument was that if football club has financial struggles, it shouldn't have a NRL licence. You only backtracked because it then got pointed out that half of the NRL clubs therefore shouldn't have licences. Your argument was dumb

That wasn't my argument. That was your idiotic interpretation of it. I never said an NRL club's viable in any given market is dependent upon how much support there is for A-League. I specifically said a Perth-based NRL team has no chance if the Glory are broke. I've shown you the strong support the Glory had back in the 1990s when they were competing head to head with the Reds. Just accept you added up 2 and 2 and came up with 5.

 

[Perth Red]

I knew @Perth Red would take the bait

hmmm this self confessed trolling sounds very familiar to someone whose just left us?

 

[Wb1234]

False eloquence, I just don’t see the same levels of issues.

christchurch I see its issues being financial viability for an nrl club in small city where union is god. And there is no serious backers at this time.

perth I see player recruitment and retention as being the biggest issue and dependant on what govt is offering to sweeten deal

easts I see an issue in new market demand and strategic Importance for the game long term

png, that’s just got issues everywhere you look and if it wasn’t for our govt’s largesse with our money wouldn’t be considered in a month of sundays

most options issues are solve able except png, imo.

You said the nz tv deal is going down

you said there was no bid from nz

you said brisbane isn’t expansion

png you make it sound impossible

that’s why I point out all the issues about Perth which you never mention

 

[Perth Red]

That wasn't my argument. That was your idiotic interpretation of it. I never said an NRL club's viable in any given market is dependent upon how much support there is for A-League. I specifically said a Perth-based NRL team has no chance if the Glory are broke. I've shown you the strong support the Glory had back in the 1990s when they were competing head to head with the Reds. Just accept you added up 2 and 2 and came up with 5.

Haha so it’s relevant in perth because of 27 years ago when the two clubs and sports were facing very different situations, but it’s not relevant anywhere else? You do know that most nrl clubs drew less than glory those years don’t you?

 

[Centy Coast]

If Perth cannot financially support an A-League team then it certainly isn't in a position to hold an NRL licence.

The Mariners are the poorest club in the A League yet we are the defending Champions and the Central Coast should definately have had a NRL side.

 

[Perth Red]

You said the nz tv deal is going down

you said there was no bid from nz

you said brisbane isn’t expansion

png you make it sound impossible

that’s why I point out all the issues about Perth which you never mention

I said it’s quite possible it will go down, it only went up due to spark and spark doesn’t exist anymore

there isn’t yet, there’s an interested group led by a teacher and some other club men

it isn’t, it’s consolidation

it probably is long term

ive mentioned them many times, youre just too self obsessed to listen.

 

[Wb1234]

I said it’s quite possible it will go down, it only went up due to spark and spark doesn’t exist anymore

there isn’t yet, there’s an interested group led by a teacher and some other club men

it isn’t, it’s consolidation

it probably is long term

ive mentioned them many times, youre just too self obsessed to listen.

And Perth has no value for broadcasters and will take decades to produce juniors

 

[Colk]

Don't be so stupid and delusional.

The Perth Glory were drawing bigger crowds in the NSL while the Reds were pulling half as many fans to their games and losing more money than they made. This is during the so called golden age of RL in Perth when there were 10k players.

The fact is the Glory drew an average of 14,979 fans to their home games in the 1997-98 NSL season. The NSL was less popular around the country than the A-League is today. Reds drew just 13,390 in their debut season. In 96 and 97 the Reds attendances were just 8,262 and 8,776. These facts refute the bullshit narrative you're trying to spin about rugby league being more popular than soccer in Perth.

Neither you, Colk, Butthurtski nor Maxipad have proved that a Perth-based NRL club will generate enough revenue from sponsorship and corporate hospitality to compete in the NRL. You know that the mid-sized clubs run on a budget of $30-35m. The larger clubs run on a budget of $40-45m. With just $17m coming from the annual grant that leaves a lot of money for Perth to gemerate if it wishes to compete with the mid-sized clubs. The irony is Perth will struggle to be aa strong as Cronulla or Wests. That's a death sentence for a Perth-based club because it won't have pokies or a nursery to rely on.

Of course you can’t categorically prove that until it actually exists. It is analogous to the uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics: you can’t predict with absolute certainty what will happen (the theory essentially states that it is impossible to predict a measurement of a particles position while also at the same time predict a measurement of its momentum). Essentially you can only argue probabilities of a future event, not a certainty of a future event.

You want to argue negatively on a Perth side based on your evidence (which I don’t see the relevance of seeing the data is nearly thirty years old and the current context has completely changed) whereas you argue favourably for a PNG side (where I see problems that you don’t see or reject)

All of this in this forum is an opinion. That is all that is.

 

[Wb1234]

Of course you can’t categorically prove that until it actually exists. It is analogous to the uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics: you can’t predict with absolute certainty what will happen (the theory essentially states that it is impossible to predict a measurement of a particles position while also at the same time predict a measurement of its momentum). Essentially you can only argue probabilities of a future event, not a certainty of a future event.

You want to argue negatively on a Perth side based on your evidence (which I don’t see the relevance of seeing the data is nearly thirty years old and the current context has completely changed) whereas you argue favourably for a PNG side (where I see problems that you don’t see or reject)

All of this in this forum is an opinion. That is all that is.

Dane would be proud of a post like that

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I’d say it’s middling, at a professional interest level. You dont get 45k turning out for neutral nrl games if it’s minor.

in WA:
Super rugby used to be upper middling but has now slipped to minor due to their issues for the comp, Aleague became minor and keeps slipping after the national league days, afl is obviously major, big bash and basketball are upper middling.

Success in profesional sport is a combination of the profile of the league (no surprise rugby league was doing really well here on the back of the increased hype of the late 80’s and early 90’s) along with how well run the club in question is. When force and super rugby were going we’ll force was a player in Perths sports scene,same for national league and glory. Nrl is doing well at moment and a well run perth club can capitalise on that to have a healthy fanbase and a viable corporate backing.

You keep on repeating this bullshit claim, despite the fact it's been debunked on numerous occasions.

The Reds best ever season saw them draw an average of 13,390 to their home games. Their other two seasons drew just 8,262 and 8,776. If this is what a Perth-based RL team drew when it had 10k registered players then it has f**k all chance in 2024. There was just 4.1k registered players in WA a couple of years ago.

Ignore it all you want, but the Glory drew 14,979 in 1997-98. The NSL was less popular than the A-League is today.

Force were drawing 27k to their games in their debut season. Reds drew just 13,390 in their debut season.

The facts don't support the bullshit you're trying to spin.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The Jets have had quite good crowds. Much like the Glory had good crowds and the Roar had good crowds at one stage. The argument doesn’t make any sense at all: they are in contrasting seasons for one.

The biggest problem is essentially the A-League is a substandard league. It would be like if hypothetically the NRL became a development league for the English Super League and the NRL became the standard of say the NSW Cup. People would essentially stop watching it after a while and follow the better league. It is the same reason why the NBL doesn’t get much traction.

Stop talking about things you don't understand.

The Perth Wildcats routinely draw 13k+ sell out crowds to their home games. Perth Glory drew 14,979 in the NSL when soccer was considered a joke in this country.

 

[Colk]

I knew @Perth Red would take the bait and try to deflect attention away from this fact. I'm surprised [B]@Colk fell for butthurtski's irrelevant comparison with genuine rugby league cities.[/B] Everyone knows butthurtski responds to inconvenient facts by creating a strawman. An example is butthurtski referring to WWOS Head of Strategy Simon Fordham as the "local weatherman". Maxipad is too hormonal to think properly.

Because your argument was a complete false equivalence that’s why. The A-League is a) not competing directly with either fumbleball or rugby league and b) is struggling everywhere now. Not just in Perth but in Brisbane, Sydney. Adelaide et al.

 

[Colk]

Stop talking about things you don't understand.

The Perth Wildcats routinely draw 13k+ sell out crowds to their home games. Perth Glory drew 14,979 in the NSL when soccer was considered a joke in this country.

What are their crowds now? What were A-League’s crowds like 20 years ago compared to now? What are Rugby League crowds in 2023 compared to 1995-1997.

You’ll eventually see that there is no relevance to any of this.

 

[Iamback]

You could easily fill a Perth side, many players I have spoken to would move there in a heart beat.

On a single year minimum deal?

I have no doubt give them a 3-4 year deal on decent money some would go.

Dolphins showed how hard it is to fill out a squad. Cows, Warriors even Canberra have very few if any single year recruits

As I said, You aren't going to sell your house on a one year deal. Stuff like that particularly with school aged kids.

 

[Colk]

Dane would be proud of a post like that

You’d have to ask him mate. Not that I see any relevance to your response in any case

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Soccer is a big sport everywhere, sadly for them the Aleague has fallen into a big hole and appointing gallop didnt help! And for glory not only has the comp fallen apart but they’ve been run by a muppet for years who’s alienated the fanbase. There’s a big soccer following in australia, they just don’t have the comp or the clubs to get them interested in following them.

Soccer was a joke in this country in 1997-98. The NSL made the A-League look like a major league. Didn't stop the Perth Glory from drawing 14,979 to their home games in 1997-98.

super rugby isnt as big as nrl in perth. Used to be but they’ve not only shot themselves in foot they’ve blown their toes off!

The Force are drawing similar attendances to the Western Reds in 1996 and 1997.

NRL TV ratings for Perth are just 8k FTA and 5k PTV.

oh look we’re back to 27 years ago!

Aren't you always pointing to participation numbers from the mid-90s as a reason to add a Perth-based NRL team?

So participation numbers from 27 years ago are relevant, but attendances aren't?

basketball and cricket have also grown

Making it a tougher market today than it was in 1995.

afl will always be the dominant sport here, eagles will always be one of the biggest sports clubs in the country. Non of that is relevant to how an nrl club would fair,

It is relevant as the NRL and AwFuL run their competitions at the same time.

as donkey has continually shown us with lions in brisbane.

I've never shown anything of the sort. In fact, I've shown that the Brisbane Lions rely on a winning team to not end up in the red. A decade ago they were mired in a crushing level of debt that still hangs around its neck.

The Brisbane Lions, who have the competition’s largest debt, will retain a similar level of funding to 2022, a total of more than $18 million, and will rank third on the funding table, narrowly ahead of North Melbourne.

AFL 2023: Funding for every AFL club revealed

amp.theage.com.au

 

[Perth Red]

And Perth has no value for broadcasters and will take decades to produce juniors

I do t believe media partners will dictate where club 18 is, possibly not club 19-20 either. The value for them in next expansion is content increase, the real value increase for nrl will be in competition for the rights.