18th club, whose next?

[Centy Coast]

Newtown and Perth have been talking. I doubt Perth will take on the Jets brand but there could be a long term pathways partnerships between a Perth NRL club and the Newtown Jets. That would support the Jets starting up all age groups again, they currently only have a NSW cup side. You can see from their financials they have little money and no asset base. There isnt much they are offering other than somewhere for a Perth team to establish an east coast pathway program.

https://www.newtownjets.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/NRLFC-Limited-2022-Financial-statements-SIGNED.pdf

Bears, depends on if NZ2 can get its act together. If they can and there's no imperative to partner with the Bears then they will go it alone in all likelihood. Leaving the Bears back where they started a feeder club for other NRL teams, at least until reserve grade comes along, then they are well screwed.

People have to realize NSFC dont just want the Bears brand back in NRl and for their old fans to have someone to follow again, they want to own, control and run an NRL club, wherever it may be. Until they shift from that position they arent going to find a partner anywhere.

I’ll let the professionals do their jobs and you can keep believing in your conspiracy theories lol.

 

[Canard]

Png will be announced after origin

then you might get an early Xmas present after the grand final

The Feds would have flagged it in their budget well before then.

So That's not happening until at least FY25

 

[Perth Red]

V’Landys wasn’t interested in WA at all until a link with the Bears was suggested.

Sure, it had nothing to do with the WA premier ringing him and telling them what they were offering lol.

 

[Perth Red]

I’ll let the professionals do their jobs and you can keep believing in your conspiracy theories lol.

Mate listen to the language being used by Dickson. Its as obvious on the nose on your face what their intention is. Why do you think PNG and Perth gave them short change in the partnership discussions?

 

[Wb1234]

Sure, it had nothing to do with the WA premier ringing him and telling them what they were offering lol.

He literally said speak to the bears

 

[Wb1234]

Mate listen to the language being used by Dickson. It’s as obvious on the nose on your face what their intention is. Why do you think PNG and Perth gave them short change in the partnership discussions?

Png don’t need them

Perth do

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Sure, it had nothing to do with the WA premier ringing him and telling them what they were offering lol.

What is the WA Gov offering?

You can see from their financials they have little money and no asset base. There isnt much they are offering other than somewhere for a Perth team to establish an east coast pathway program.

https://www.newtownjets.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/NRLFC-Limited-2022-Financial-statements-SIGNED.pdf

So they're just like the Perth bid?

 

[MugaB]

Png don’t need them

Perth do

This is correct, but they dont need them specifically just someone like them= east tigers, Newtown jets etc

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Nope, place on the board and cast iron agreements around pathways and brand forever more. The club should be 100% owned by the Perth consortium.

Why would North Sydney agree to that?

They're propping up a club on the the other side of the country and getting nothing in return. They would be better off in the NSW Cup.

No its not. the NSFC chair or CEO should be on the board of the new club but thats all. Ownership should sit 100% with the new club in the new city. If they only have their 3 non-negotaiables re brand and games at NSO they are easily protected in legal agreements, theres no needs for NSFC to own any part of the new club. And thats what it should be, a new club.

Or the other alternative is they buy a share of the club. Say 20% for $20million if they want to be part owners. But always a minority share.

North Sydney don't gain anything from owning one-fifth of a Perth-based club.

 

[Centy Coast]

Sure, it had nothing to do with the WA premier ringing him and telling them what they were offering lol.

And what was the WA Premier offering ?, crickets ?, because the only thing I have heard mentioned from the WA Premiers was possibly linking with the Bears. I’m sure you can find the link in one of the earlier posts on this thread.

 

[Centy Coast]

Mate listen to the language being used by Dickson. Its as obvious on the nose on your face what their intention is. Why do you think PNG and Perth gave them short change in the partnership discussions?

Yes but those were the initial discussions, have you heard of the word negotiating ?, PNG always wanted to go it alone once the Govt $$$ came into the equation but even that sounds doubtful atm, to my knowledge the Bears haven’t even officially spoken to PNG, I know the Easts Tigers reached out to them.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

And what was the WA Premier offering ?, crickets ?, because the only thing I have heard mentioned from the WA Premiers was possibly linking with the Bears. I’m sure you can find the link in one of the earlier posts on this thread.

The WA Gov has offered sweet f**k all. A Venueswest statement said a Perth-based team will be great for the WA economy because a) it'll entice Queenslanders and New South Welshmen to travel to Perth to see their team play and b) it will provide Western Australian businesses with more exposure to people from Brisbane and Sydney.

No mention of what they're willing to do for the other 17 clubs and rugby league in general.

If I was V'landys I'd tell them to "get f**ked" until they have something to offer the NRL.

 

[Perth Red]

He literally said speak to the bears

And they did, and they walked away

 

[Perth Red]

The WA Gov has offered sweet f**k all. A Venueswest statement said a Perth-based team will be great for the WA economy because a) it'll entice Queenslanders and New South Welshmen to travel to Perth to see their team play and b) it will provide Western Australian businesses with more exposure to people from Brisbane and Sydney.

No mention of what they're willing to do for the other 17 clubs and rugby league in general.

If I was V'landys I'd tell them to "get f**ked" until they have something to offer the NRL.

Time will tell, I’m pretty sure our new premier didn’t ring Vlandys in his first week in office just to get some horse tips lol

 

[Colk]

Maybe a three way club partnership? Perth Jets incorporating Ipswich, Newtown and WA. Strong pathways in Qlnd and NSW with growing pathways in WA.
WA branded and owned with Ipswich and Newtown on the board . Incorporates colours to get away from yet another blue and white brand in NRL.

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What the game needs because joint ventures have worked so brilliantly: a three way partnership

 

[Colk]

I'm saying Meninga provided the x-factor that got the Raiders over the line. The only ball running outside backs I can think of that have as much impact on the game are Latrell Mitchell and Greg Inglis.



Ken Nagas would have played more Origin games if he wasn't poached by NSW to sit on the bench in 1994.



It costs more to run a club now than it did back then. If a Perth-based teams wants to be run like the Melbourne Storm then it'll need a lot of money over its first 20 years. Storm got their money from News Ltd.

Where will Perth get its money from?



Springborg amalgamated the National and Liberal Party together in the 00s. Nationals had been on the nose in Queensland for 20 years by the time the LNP was formed. Queensland hasn't had a truly conservative Premier since Joh.

1. Your original point implied that the only reason we won was because of QLD players. Meninga was a great centre no doubt(although by 1994 I wouldn’t say he was a big reason for the premiership at all) but you actually have to have a great forward pack and a great spine for a centre to be really beneficial.

If you want to be serious for a second, the real reason that the Raiders declined was because our great spine players like Stuart (in particular) and Daley became quite injury prone and naturally declined as they got older. Couple that with the emergence of other great players in the mid to late 90’s (Andrew Johns and Lockyer) and we essentially caught. Tim Sheens leaving and being replaced by Mal Meninga (one of several bad decisions made in subsequent years) was also way more important than Meninga retiring as a player.

2. They also get 17 million a year - they didn’t get that in the 1990’s hence why they struggled to operate when most had been operating in an amateur or semi professional set up. There is a massive difference between now and the 1990’s.

3. So the political analysts are wrong then? How do you explain a state that generally votes overwhelmingly liberal and conservative in federal elections but votes Labor in state elections. I would also add that the Queensland Labor Party has historically been nowhere near as left as the Victorian Labor Party, perhaps even as left as the New South Wales Labor Party

 

[Wb1234]

What the game needs because joint ventures have worked so brilliantly: a three way partnership

Les Catalans

 

[Canard]

North Sydney don't gain anything from owning one-fifth of a Perth-based club.

Are you stoned?

The Bears have been agitating for a return to the NRL for almost 30 years.

They have nothing currently, this would be the only way they ever return.

 

[Iamback]

For the record, my personal view is that the “non-negotiable” for games at NSO need to be very flexible from Bears POV for it to make sense from a commercial business sense.

2 games guaranteed is fine as long as the other half of the table/shareholders agree to it (WA, PNG, Pasifika, Stockholm - whoever) but if you’re asking for more than that when a team is supposed to be based fulltime in Perth, Pasifika or elsewhere then it stagnates what expansion is essentially about, solidification in a new market and as such you would need as many home games to get the locals to rally behind the team as possible.

There needs to be a real caution when asking for things that you don’t necessarily have the bargaining power to ask for, otherwise Bears will be left by the way side perpetually. I would advise against putting this in any prospective clause or as a “non-negotiable” and bring it to 1 home game obviously against Manly, the other game should be an away game with an incentive deal struck with either Chooks, Souths and Tigers to take it to NSO (as long as it benefits one of those sides).

As for branding non-negotiables ie Bears, red and black and history carry over that just makes sense and I think it’s more common sense than anything else.

Depends how much of the private funding is linked to that amount of games, 4 won't get it done. A trial and possibly a comp game is more likely

 

[Iamback]

as a perth person why woudl I give a sht about whats good for sydney people? I only care about whats good for RL in perth when it comes to a perth nrl club. If a partnership offers player development, maybe some corporate interest and maybe a few thousand members elsewhere then commercially its worth looking at. But clearly the bears non negotiables were not acceptable to the perth consortium otherwise they wouldnt have gone off and developed a pacifica bears idea.

It isn't what is good for Sydney, Any of the new teams will struggle initally.

linking with a known brand will allow them to sell merchandise and Sydney memberships, The 220k fans was people hitting like on a survey. So that is overblown but 10k is probably a realistic figure, add in the few million $ they have in private sponsorship. That allows time for locals to get on board.

As the Bears old guys die the locals in Perth will fill the void