18th club, whose next?

[Bukowski]

The Bears moved away from North Sydney Oval because the NRL said that it wasn’t up to NRL standards.
The Bears moved to Bluetongue Stadium for the 1999 season but unfortunately never got to play there as the wrong materials in the Stadiums roof and consistent rain delayed the Stadiums completion.
Since the Bears where out of the NRL, South Sydney and the Women’s State of Origin have played games there ?.

Surely they moved up to Gosford fir more reasons than the NRL not accepting bear park anymore.
If not why didn't they just cross the bridge?

 

[Iamback]

Isn't this a strong argument for not linking with the Bears and going it alone?

Depends what traction a brand new club is expecting

 

[Iamback]

Don’t forget the Bears also have the Seagulls Club at Tweed Heads.

Norths have 5 or 6 properties under that private arm don't they?

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Isn't this a strong argument for not linking with the Bears and going it alone?

Plenty of Bears fans between ages of 35-40 years old who own a great amount of successful businesses.

Corporate support isn’t an issue, like I said previously though it’s having that contractual guarantee from the games leaders for a spot in the comp in a location that services the game and helps it grow, that’ll bring that big investment in.

Those 35-40 year olds also have younger families so legacy support won’t be an issue.

If there was a guarantee tomorrow for Bears return in either Perth, Christchurch, PNG or Pasifika - I would automatically contribute sponsorship to them be it in junior pathways or training gear etc. That might not seem like much but I am just one man, one business. People with much more money and much more successful businesses are willing to do the same.

And all that would just be a small gesture to get them started and show the local people of team 18, 19, 20 who now have the Bears brand that old fans are willing to invest in their area/region due to the brand - which should only further attract more businesses and fans locally.

 

[Wb1234]

Plenty of Bears fans between ages of 35-40 years old who own a great amount of successful businesses.

Corporate support isn’t an issue, like I said previously though it’s having that contractual guarantee from the games leaders for a spot in the comp in a location that services the game and helps it grow, that’ll bring that big investment in.

Those 35-40 year olds also have younger families so legacy support won’t be an issue.

If there was a guarantee tomorrow for Bears return in either Perth, Christchurch, PNG or Pasifika - I would automatically contribute sponsorship to them be it in junior pathways or training gear etc. That might not seem like much but I am just one man, one business. People with much more money and much more successful businesses are willing to do the same.

The critics just don’t realise the wealth in the lower and upper north shore

 

[Bukowski]

Depends what traction a brand new club is expecting

I don't think a Perth team needs traction in Sydney

 

[Perth Red]

The critics just don’t realise the wealth in the lower and upper north shore

Where were all these rich ns people in the 90’s when the bears needed them?

 

[Canard]

Plenty of Bears fans between ages of 35-40 years old who own a great amount of successful businesses.

Corporate support isn’t an issue.

This isn't enough to bring them back, and it's a bit wishy washy statement anyway. Those 35 year olds would be fans of other clubs or not RL fans at all.

I think a new team, in a new geography needs to forge its own identity. I think Sydney is already too congested and adding even more games in Sydney is over saturation. I also have no faith that Bears fans aided by the Sydney media won't immediately agitate for a full time return to Sydney the moment of any adversity.

So for these reasons, I fully expect the NRL to bring them back....

 

[Centy Coast]

I don't think a Perth team needs traction in Sydney

No but they need an established pathways system via either NSW or QLD until they can finally establish their own.
Perths five team first grade competition isn’t going to cut it.

 

[Bukowski]

No but they need an established pathways system via either NSW or QLD until they can finally establish their own.
Perths five team first grade competition isn’t going to cut it.

Very true.

 

[Wb1234]

Where were all these rich ns people in the 90’s when the bears needed them?

When they were making all those finals ? And were a very strong club ?

you do know who Citigroup are ? Bit bigger than cash converters

 

[Iamback]

I don't think a Perth team needs traction in Sydney

I didn't mention Sydney specifically

I said it elsewhere, They won't host Thursday or Friday night games. Which are the best for corporates and exposure.

Being a new team they wouldn't have any general support to justify event games like ANZAC day for example.

Not to mention the locals won't have any locals in the side for a while to get the press and locals attention.

That is where the side will struggle early on

 

[Bukowski]

I didn't mention Sydney specifically

I said it elsewhere, They won't host Thursday or Friday night games. Which are the best for corporates and exposure.

Being a new team they wouldn't have any general support to justify event games like ANZAC day for example.

Not to mention the locals won't have any locals in the side for a while to get the press and locals attention.

That is where the side will struggle early on

And a bear won't change any of that. Not that I agree with it all anyway.

 

[blue bags]

Plenty of Bears fans between ages of 35-40 years old who own a great amount of successful businesses.

Corporate support isn’t an issue, like I said previously though it’s having that contractual guarantee from the games leaders for a spot in the comp in a location that services the game and helps it grow, that’ll bring that big investment in.

Those 35-40 year olds also have younger families so legacy support won’t be an issue.

If there was a guarantee tomorrow for Bears return in either Perth, Christchurch, PNG or Pasifika - I would automatically contribute sponsorship to them be it in junior pathways or training gear etc. That might not seem like much but I am just one man, one business. People with much more money and much more successful businesses are willing to do the same.

And all that would just be a small gesture to get them started and show the local people of team 18, 19, 20 who now have the Bears brand that old fans are willing to invest in their area/region due to the brand - which should only further attract more businesses and fans locally.

Yes agree. Pasifika Grizzly Bear's
Would be fantastic for all the
league.
Fan's.
Juniors
Tv money
Sponsorship
Reality is the northern areas of Sydney
Northern beaches
Central coast area. Should have been locked up into the NRL 30 years ago
What are we waiting for ?
We can't leave the whole area to awful
Reports of the north Sydney Bear's
Were offered the last spot in superleague
And stayed loyal to ARL rejected the superleague offer .
Bear's were stuffed around by superleague
ARL. Sea eagles. And Gosford stadium

 

[Diesel]

Where were all these rich ns people in the 90’s when the bears needed them?

Probably still at school, as @Red&BlackBear said, many fans are in the 35-40 age group.

 

[The Great Dane]

Plenty of Bears fans between ages of 35-40 years old who own a great amount of successful businesses.

Corporate support isn’t an issue, like I said previously though it’s having that contractual guarantee from the games leaders for a spot in the comp in a location that services the game and helps it grow, that’ll bring that big investment in.

Those 35-40 year olds also have younger families so legacy support won’t be an issue.

If there was a guarantee tomorrow for Bears return in either Perth, Christchurch, PNG or Pasifika - I would automatically contribute sponsorship to them be it in junior pathways or training gear etc. That might not seem like much but I am just one man, one business. People with much more money and much more successful businesses are willing to do the same.

And all that would just be a small gesture to get them started and show the local people of team 18, 19, 20 who now have the Bears brand that old fans are willing to invest in their area/region due to the brand - which should only further attract more businesses and fans locally.

You're not seriously suggesting that the Bears won't struggle for sponsorship and corporate support because there're a bunch of supporters with small family businesses are you?

If these mythical fans are in fact so numerous and passionate, what has stopped them from supporting the club for the last 20 years? You know when it's needed that kind of support more than ever.
You can't truly be so out of touch as to believe that kind of support from local small businesses is enough to support an NRL side in this day and age either, can you? I mean there's a reason they're called corporate sponsors...

Furthermore, if the fanbase is in fact so large, passionate, and wealthy, why is it that the Bears only have 1700 members as of posting and haven't cracked 3k before? The Bears wouldn't have so much trouble proving it if the fanbase was truly as numerous and passionate as people like you make out.

Look, I've likely been a Bears fan longer than you've been alive, and odds are that this is another one of these conversations where I'm the only person that's a member of the club as well. Everything you're saying is nonsense. Totally head in the sand, disconnected from reality, nonsense.

The reality is that by modern standards the Bears fanbase was never that big to begin with. These days it's tiny, and rapidly shrinking. The average age of Bears fans is definitely over 50, and I wouldn't be surprised if it turnout to be over 60. Most of the younger fanbase are straight up poseurs, happy to buy a hat or a jersey and whack a sticker on the back of the car because it's trendy, but ain't ever going to be the sort who watches and attends religiously.

The best way for the club to push for readmittance to the NRL has always been to consistently pack out NSO (or Gosford as the case may be). Relatively big crowds and high membership numbers for a NSW Cup side, proof of consumer demand if you will, was always the most important key to that door, but what attempts have been made to make that happen have consistently failed and disastrously so.

The club has little to nothing it can offer any new club that they couldn't easily get on their own, and demands way too much in return. As things stand the Bears return to the NRL is a fanciful pipedream, that would likely do more harm than good if they continue to go about it the way they are, and the only reason it's being taken seriously ATM is because PVL is a self promoter that likes the media attention and the Sydney based RL media is firmly stuck 40 years in the past.

Re-joining the NRL is still an achievable goal, but the club and fanbase needs to get serious if they want to achieve it.

 

[MugaB]

I think you underestimate how stuck in the past Sydney rl fans can be. I mean if I hear one more time shthole LO called the seventh wonder of the world lol
Its not just old bears fans, its RL fans who think itd be good to have a Sydney brand back as theyve been fed crap from the media for years about how important the Bears are.

FMD ... you can really be a massive twat...
Its nicknamed "8th wonder" its also a sly satirical joke that the balmain faithful have tix on themselves and their precious oval with the hills

 

[Red&BlackBear]

You're not seriously suggesting that the Bears won't struggle for sponsorship and corporate support because there're a bunch of supporters with small family businesses are you?

If these mythical fans are in fact so numerous and passionate, what has stopped them from supporting the club for the last 20 years? You know when it's needed that kind of support more than ever.
You can't truly be so out of touch as to believe that kind of support from local small businesses is enough to support an NRL side in this day and age either, can you? I mean there's a reason they're called corporate sponsors...

Furthermore, if the fanbase is in fact so large, passionate, and wealthy, why is it that the Bears only have 1700 members as of posting and haven't cracked 3k before? The Bears wouldn't have so much trouble proving it if the fanbase was truly as numerous and passionate as people like you make out.

Look, I've likely been a Bears fan longer than you've been alive, and odds are that this is another one of these conversations where I'm the only person that's a member of the club as well. Everything you're saying is nonsense. Totally head in the sand, disconnected from reality, nonsense.

The reality is that by modern standards the Bears fanbase was never that big to begin with. These days it's tiny, and rapidly shrinking. The average age of Bears fans is definitely over 50, and I wouldn't be surprised if it turnout to be over 60. Most of the younger fanbase are straight up poseurs, happy to buy a hat or a jersey and whack a sticker on the back of the car because it's trendy, but ain't ever going to be the sort who watches and attends religiously.

The best way for the club to push for readmittance to the NRL has always been to consistently pack out NSO (or Gosford as the case may be). Relatively big crowds and high membership numbers for a NSW Cup side, proof of consumer demand if you will, was always the most important key to that door, but what attempts have been made to make that happen have consistently failed and disastrously so.

The club has little to nothing it can offer any new club that they couldn't easily get on their own, and demands way too much in return. As things stand the Bears return to the NRL is a fanciful pipedream, that would likely do more harm than good if they continue to go about it the way they are, and the only reason it's being taken seriously ATM is because PVL is a self promoter that likes the media attention and the Sydney based RL media is firmly stuck 40 years in the past.

Re-joining the NRL is still an achievable goal, but the club and fanbase needs to get serious if they want to achieve it.

There is a clear pattern happening here where you assume a lot.

Nothing was said about small business/es being the only support, nothing was said about average age of supporters or that younger supporters do it for a trend.

Nothing was said about potential for NRL club memberships, NSW Cup memberships right now is irrelevant to the conversation when the attraction is on NRL.

You’re still quoting me without actually reading things properly mate, which is fine but please keep the quantity of words down if that’s going to be the continued case moving forward.

Lastly, how do you think a historic brand like Dolphins got their support when 99% of their fans would’ve watched NRL already? Has anyone taken the time to actually dissect how their old Q-Cup brand got over?

 

[Canard]

No but they need an established pathways system via either NSW or QLD until they can finally establish their own.
Perths five team first grade competition isn’t going to cut it.

That can be established with a feeder arrangement and without the need to whore off a new clubs identity.

 

[Canard]

There is a clear pattern happening here where you assume a lot.

Nothing was said about small business/es being the only support, nothing was said about average age of supporters or that younger supporters do it for a trend.

Nothing was said about potential for NRL club memberships, NSW Cup memberships right now is irrelevant to the conversation when the attraction is on NRL.

You’re still quoting me without actually reading things properly mate, which is fine but please keep the quantity of words down if that’s going to be the continued case moving forward.

Lastly, how do you think a historic brand like Dolphins got their support when 99% of their fans would’ve watched NRL already? Has anyone taken the time to actually dissect how their old Q-Cup brand got over?

The Dolphins biggest attribute was being "not the Broncos" in a big city with only one club.