18th club, whose next?

[Perth Red]

I would prefer just the Perth bears/pirates.

my own personal preference would be the Perth reds but sadly this wont happen.

Ah the good old days of 2012 when we hoped we were getting the Reds back!

 

[Perth Red]

•majority owned

NSFC can have a token 10%.

 

[Perth Red]

Won’t matter they will always have a strong core of fans

That like any struggling club will diminish if they stay at the bottom of the table.

 

[Wb1234]

NSFC can have a token 10%.

As long as you offer them a bone and they feel included and (junior) partners

 

[Wb1234]

That like any struggling club will diminish if they stay at the bottom of the table.

Dolphins 75 years
And rugby league heartland

 

[Perth Red]

Dolphins 75 years
And rugby league heartland

How many of the fans from last year were turning up to dolphin stadium to watch Redcliffe prior? Be realist, Dolphins would equally struggle for crowds and sponsors if sat at bottom of ladder for years. No one likes a loser. But hey you might be right, it might purely be a Perth phenomena lol

 

[Brian potter]

Ah the good old days of 2012 when we hoped we were getting the Reds back!

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That’s a great brand.

 

[Brian potter]

Ownership does away with that issue. As long as its owned by WA, based in WA and the only link to NS, in terms of decision making, is through a pathways partnership then it wont matter what the sydney nostalgics want.

You’d have to think that the bears would have at least a 25% stake in any proposed club?

personally I’d give the bears no more than a 10-15% share of any potential partnership.

 

[Wb1234]

How many of the fans from last year were turning up to dolphin stadium to watch Redcliffe prior? Be realist, Dolphins would equally struggle for crowds and sponsors if sat at bottom of ladder for years. No one likes a loser. But hey you might be right, it might purely be a Perth phenomena lol

More than If Perth ran last for a while

and they have the resources not to run last

anyway it’s kinda a dumb argument

Perth isn’t an established league market

which is why the bears link up makes a lot of sense

 

[Perth Red]

That’s a great brand.

Tis. We never got to a decent WA Reds shirt in the rebrand though. insisted with going with red and silver which never worked for me.
This was probably the best:



I remember ordering 3000 of these flags from china for an NRL game lol. Had a lot of fun back then before Grant pulled the rug out. We had 3k people signed up for the supporters group in Yr1 of launching it.

 

[Perth Red]

You’d have to think that the bears would have at least a 25% stake in any proposed club?

personally I’d give the bears no more than a 10-15% share of any potential partnership.

That would be part of the negotiation I suppose. If they want to buy a bigger share sure but majority always sits with WA. say the Bears brand usage is worth 10% of ownership. If they want more then in theory they can buy it like any other part of the consortium.

 

[Colk]

The USA has had a similar reduction in tobacco usage to other comparable Western countries without any similar restrictions in most states. That's not the only example either. . . Cultural change is the only way you can truely deal with these issues.

Top down government authority on these things has repeatedly been shown not to work and have disastrous social consequences. Prohibition, the War on Drugs, gambling and prostitution bans across the world, and many other similar examples, all of them create significantly worse problems than they solve.

You're wrong about this, you've always been wrong about this, and frankly you should keep your opinions to yourself when you're little more than a guest in this country.

He literally just said it wasn’t about prohibition or banning things and then you have talked about prohibition and banning things. Also there are similar restrictions in the US, for example in 35 states you can’t smoke indoors which is a pretty big restriction on use.

Some regulation of use or access is actually beneficial - for example drink and drug driving laws, age limits on alcohol and smoke - because freedom from something is just as important as freedom to do something. It’s finding what the balance is. Btw I don’t agree with total bans because as you say they don’t generally work but restriction or regulation of use is a completely different manner.

Is PR going on another one of his authoritarian tirades where he proposes banning any vice and hobby he doesn't personally partake in again?

The way this country is going everything will be banned soon enough, and it'll continue to get worse and force social decay because prohibition doesn't work. Banning Nazi paraphernalia last year was crossing the Rubicon in a lot of ways. It went by almost totally unnoticed by the average person, but in the future historians will probably site it as a major indicator of fundamental change in Australian culture for all the wrong reasons.

No he wasn’t. He was being hypocritical by arguing that gambling is destructive from a social viewpoint and thus immoral but at the same time arguing that prostitution isn’t immoral. I suggested that if you are going to be moral about it then any vice would be immoral by his own standards.

Whilst I agree with you in terms of freedom of speech and the contiguous nazi paraphernalia (obviously like to point out that I don’t agree with Nazism but you know beat their argument rather than ban it etc) be careful with the whole social degradation angle. Australian history is littered with examples of much greater restrictions or interdictions than Nazi paraphernalia. F*** we have banned whole races or people from entering the country or from voting remember? So don’t get too misty eyed.

 

[Canard]

The only way the Bears "demands" could be met is via a majority ownership stake.

Otherwise all those "non-negiotables" could be changed easily by the controlling party.

 

[Brian potter]

Tis. We never got to a decent WA Reds shirt in the rebrand though. insisted with going with red and silver which never worked for me.
This was probably the best:
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I remember ordering 3000 of these flags from china for an NRL game lol. Had a lot of fun back then before Grant pulled the rug out. We had 3k people signed up for the supporters group in Yr1 of launching it.

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I like it.

i like and think the colours, name and logo/mascot works and are a great fit.

im sure that mascot would have been a huge hit with the kids!!!

 

[Perth Red]

The only way the Bears "demands" could be met is via a majority ownership stake.

Otherwise all those "non-negiotables" could be changed easily by the controlling party.

Not really. A legal contract would protect things like brand, Ip, relationship parameters etc.
Didnt Souths put something similar in place to protect brand and location when they agreed to sell to Crowe?

 

[Canard]

Not really. A legal contract would protect things like brand, Ip, relationship parameters etc.
Didnt Souths put something similar in place to protect brand and location when they agreed to sell to Crowe?

Why would the controlling entity agree to such onerous demands?

It would seriously limit there future options.

For mine, the Bears don't offer enough to make this constraint worthy of agreement.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

yep

Do you know the consequences of crystal meth amphetamine addiction?

It leads to brain damage, loss of teeth, strokes, heart attacks, paranoia and death. Persons who are addicted to this substance end up causing more domestic violence than problem gamblers.

The fact you're fine with Peter Cumins exploiting people with this addiction, but hate rugby league clubs in Queensland and NSW for making money from problem gamblers, proves you're just a biased whinger who has the shits because a Perth-based team won't have access to this revenue stream.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Same could be said for any new club (and in fact any established club barring one or two). How big do you think the dolphins will be if they stay 13th for the next 5 years?

Bigger than a Perth-based team that finishes 13th over a span of 5 years

 

[Colk]

Do you know the consequences of crystal meth amphetamine addiction?

It leads to brain damage, loss of teeth, strokes, heart attacks, paranoia and death. Persons who are addicted to this substance end up causing more domestic violence than problem gamblers.

The fact you're fine with Peter Cumins exploiting people with this addiction, but hate rugby league clubs in Queensland and NSW for making money from problem gamblers, proves you're just a biased whinger who has the shits because a Perth-based team won't have access to this revenue stream.

It’s partly to do with that, there would probably (don’t know the figures but fairly safe to assume) be a higher case of addiction within crystal meth users and other hard drugs than with gambling.

You’re right in arguing that it is hypocritical for him to argue against gambling but more importantly where do you draw the line. Do we not have bank sponsorship (cough Royal commission cough)? What would fast food considering how obese we are as a nation?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

True but my initial point was if it was to be the Perth bears then how long before we start hearing the calls for to relocate the struggling Perth bears to the central coast/NSO?

The Sydney media will push for a relocation to Gosford. They know it will sell articles.

I would prefer just the Perth bears/pirates.

my own personal preference would be the Perth reds but sadly this wont happen.

The "Perth Reds" brand could help the club generate attention from the Queensland media. It would set up a cross code rivalry with the Queensland Reds. It would be good to the Perth Reds reclaim the name.