18th club, whose next?

[AlwaysGreen]

Agree with it or not, one of the biggest bugbears of Australian voters is the giving of aid to other countries. The attitude of 'why are we giving money to other countries when we have so many people struggling here' is very common.

That's why if a government withdrew financial support for PNG no one would care, especially those in non league states if funding for an NRL side was pulled.

Tax free status for players won't happen.

 

[Maximus]

1. The funding for this team isn't in addition to what we already give as aid to PNG. It's the PNG government asking to redirect a fraction of the existing aid. It's the simplest part of the plan.

So we are taking 10% of the current aid budget to give to an NRL team?

No-one is going to decrease aid funding to PNG in the next fifty years & no Aussie PM will want to known as the person who killed a club in the NRL. ~$60M a year is a rounding error for what the fed gov will get out of it.

Huh? None of the last 6 PMs would have given a shit. Nor would Dutton if he was next.

2. How many young men/women work for a couple of years in the mines in harsher conditions? The players will be living/training in Cairns and have unheard-of amounts of fan support when they're playing at home. If the players/staff for this club get tax free status as has been discussed, it'd be a huge incentive.
That's not to hand-wave away that they will probably struggle to win initially but that's the point of expanding/strengthening the game, is it not?

There is literally 0 chance of them getting tax free status. If they are living and training in Cairns, they are Australian residents for tax, which means it's Australian laws that have to change. There is literally 0% chance of that even passing as there is no way any of the cross bench support it, and even if they did, it'd then be the easiest case of discrimination since the backpackers tax got overturned.

 

[Wb1234]

@Vlad59

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

@Vlad59

Let's hope it continues. The one thing that will rile up the fumblers on Big Footy is grassroots growth in Melbourne.

 

[Jamberoo]

@Vlad59

I feel Melbourne Storm is approaching critical mass. Like most stadiums it needs to be 2/3s full to create atmosphere - AAMI feels pretty full with 20k+, so fans are going to get a great atmosphere most weeks now. We just need a couple of sellouts to create some FOMO which will boost membership members.

 

[Wb1234]

I feel Melbourne Storm is approaching critical mass. Like most stadiums it needs to be 2/3s full to create atmosphere - AAMI feels pretty full with 20k+, so fans are going to get a great atmosphere most weeks now. We just need a couple of sellouts to create some FOMO which will boost membership members.

Worried about the post Bellamy era

but sure the club is putting down good roots now

aami is the perfect ground for the club

wish Perth had something similar

 

[Perth Red]

Worried about the post Bellamy era

but sure the club is putting down good roots now

aami is the perfect ground for the club

wish Perth had something similar

Has to start somewhere, Storm started at the graveyard in front of 9k.
With a successful nrl club, and if glory or force ever get their sht together, then there may be justification to spend another $200mill on hbf park.

 

[blue bags]

2nd Melbourne team needed soon
Southern orcas would be fantastic

 

[Perth Red]

1. The funding for this team isn't in addition to what we already give as aid to PNG. It's the PNG government asking to redirect a fraction of the existing aid. It's the simplest part of the plan. No-one is going to decrease aid funding to PNG in the next fifty years & no Aussie PM will want to known as the person who killed a club in the NRL. ~$60M a year is a rounding error for what the fed gov will get out of it.

2. How many young men/women work for a couple of years in the mines in harsher conditions? The players will be living/training in Cairns and have unheard-of amounts of fan support when they're playing at home. If the players/staff for this club get tax free status as has been discussed, it'd be a huge incentive.
That's not to hand-wave away that they will probably struggle to win initially but that's the point of expanding/strengthening the game, is it not?

I don't think you have much to worry about as a Perth (or Christchurch) fan. Both are guaranteed of being a success (good stadiums, new markets/corp support, new timezones, will increase media rights). It'll likely be BNE3 that is postponed if PNG gets the nod.

1. It seems highly optimistic to think a govt, and many future different govt’s, will keep the same policy and funding an overseas sports team for Decades to come.

2. nrl players have 17 other choices of where to earn the same money, a young kid who wants to earn minesite level salary has no other choice, well maybe drug dealing lol, so puts up with the hardship to earn big coin.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Has to start somewhere, Storm started at the graveyard in front of 9k.
With a successful nrl club, and if glory or force ever get their sht together, then there may be justification to spend another $200mill on hbf park.

It took 25 years of sustained on field success and a state of the art stadium to increase the Storm's active fanbase from 9k to 20k. Without the Melbourne Victory pulling huge crowds during the 00s and 10s there is no way MRS would have been built.

News Ltd spent $75m between 1998 and 2012 on the Storm to give them an advantage over every other club, on and off the field. ARLC chipped in another $25m between 2012 and 2018. Without News Ltd and the ARLC the Storm wouldn't have succeeded on and off the field.

A Perth-based NRL team isn't going to be given preferential treatment by News Ltd and the ARLC. It'll be thrown into the deep end and forced to sink or swim. There's zero chance of a Perth-based team enjoying 25 years of sustained on field success like the Storm.

Perth will struggle to convince the game's marquee players and most talented juniors to choose them over the 17 existing clubs.

The Storm were able to hoard the best juniors between 1998-2012 because they were bankrolled by News Ltd while most of the other clubs were struggling to survive. No one bar the Broncos and Storm had the resources to invest money on junior development.

Many clubs in 2024 have state of the art training centres and invest in junior development. Some of the training centres in Sydney cost $50m and we're funded by the NSW Gov. Perth will be starting from scratch without a training centre and will be lucky to compete with the lower teams.

Unless some one like Twiggy Forrest invests tens of millions on a Perth-based club's infrastructure during its first few years then it's not going to be in the same league as the heavyweights. It'll more likely than not struggle like the Titans, on and off the field.

You'll ignore all of these facts and say there's no reason a well run club cannot succeed in Perth, without addressing the problem that to be "well
run" Perth will need to invest $50m or more on its infrastructure over its first few years to compete with the best. The Titans almost went bust trying to do to this with its Centre of Excellence.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Worried about the post Bellamy era

but sure the club is putting down good roots now

aami is the perfect ground for the club

wish Perth had something similar

When Munster and Bellamy pull up stumps they'll be in a similar position to the Australian cricket team in 2007.

 

[Centy Coast]

When Munster and Bellamy pull up stumps they'll be in a similar position to the Australian cricket team in 2007.

That’s what everybody said when Cronk, Slater and then Smith left the Storm. They just keep producing champions and turning ordinary players into world beaters.

 

[Wb1234]

That’s what everybody said when Cronk, Slater and then Smith left the Storm. They just keep producing and turning ordinary players into world beaters.

Bellamy leaving would be huge

unless slater takes his place

 

[mongoose]

It took 25 years of sustained on field success and a state of the art stadium to increase the Storm's active fanbase from 9k to 20k. Without the Melbourne Victory pulling huge crowds during the 00s and 10s there is no way MRS would have been built.

News Ltd spent $75m between 1998 and 2012 on the Storm to give them an advantage over every other club, on and off the field. ARLC chipped in another $25m between 2012 and 2018. Without News Ltd and the ARLC the Storm wouldn't have succeeded on and off the field.

A Perth-based NRL team isn't going to be given preferential treatment by News Ltd and the ARLC. It'll be thrown into the deep end and forced to sink or swim. There's zero chance of a Perth-based team enjoying 25 years of sustained on field success like the Storm.

Perth will struggle to convince the game's marquee players and most talented juniors to choose them over the 17 existing clubs.

The Storm were able to hoard the best juniors between 1998-2012 because they were bankrolled by News Ltd while most of the other clubs were struggling to survive. No one bar the Broncos and Storm had the resources to invest money on junior development.

Many clubs in 2024 have state of the art training centres and invest in junior development. Some of the training centres in Sydney cost $50m and we're funded by the NSW Gov. Perth will be starting from scratch without a training centre and will be lucky to compete with the lower teams.

Unless some one like Twiggy Forrest invests tens of millions on a Perth-based club's infrastructure during its first few years then it's not going to be in the same league as the heavyweights. It'll more likely than not struggle like the Titans, on and off the field.

You'll ignore all of these facts and say there's no reason a well run club cannot succeed in Perth, without addressing the problem that to be "well
run" Perth will need to invest $50m or more on its infrastructure over its first few years to compete with the best. The Titans almost went bust trying to do to this with its Centre of Excellence.

a lot of this, as usual, it complete BS... "Storm hoarded all the good juniors" you don't watch NRL if you think that.

"Perth will need to have the same success on the field as the Storm to get any fans" just groundless predictions.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That’s what everybody said when Cronk, Slater and then Smith left the Storm. They just keep producing champions and turning ordinary players into world beaters.

They still had Bellamy when those players retired.

Bellamy is one of a kind.

Without Bellamy they won't have a super coach to turn average players into stars.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

a lot of this, as usual, it complete BS... "Storm hoarded all the good juniors" you don't watch NRL if you think that.

They had the nucleus of the record breaking Queensland Origin team in their squad during the 00s.

Smith.
Cronk.
Slater.
Inglis.
Folau.

They were the best juniors from the late 90s and early 00s.

Plus many other representative players were in their squad.

Systemically cheated the cap to keep these players, too.

If you watched rugby league you would know this.

"Perth will need to have the same success on the field as the Storm to get any fans" just groundless predictions.

Cameron Smith said the thing you dope. I think he knows more than you.

Melbourne great Cameron Smith believes there's enough "thirst" for Perth to have an NRL franchise of their own, but says it would only thrive if the team enjoys success from the outset.

Cameron Smith backs NRL team for Perth

amp.smh.com.au

 

[mongoose]

They had the nucleus of the record breaking Queensland Origin team in their squad during the 00s.

Smith.
Cronk.
Slater.
Inglis.
Folau.

They were the best juniors from the late 90s and early 00s.

Plus many other representative players were in their squad.

Systemically cheated the cap to keep these players, too.

If you watched rugby league you would know this.



Cameron Smith said the thing you dope. I think he knows more than you.

Melbourne great Cameron Smith believes there's enough "thirst" for Perth to have an NRL franchise of their own, but says it would only thrive if the team enjoys success from the outset.​

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Cameron Smith backs NRL team for Perth

amp.smh.com.au

Lots of great juniors who end up doing nothing in first grade... how the club uses and develops them plays a big part. Didn't the Broncos pass on Smith anyway? Slater took a few years to become incumbent fullback for QLD, he was pretty raw and error prone his first few seasons. Inglis was a freak the moment he entered first grade, came to North Brisbane as a teen, went to Wavell Heights and played for the Norths Devils, whom the Storm were affiliated with- they got lucky.

 

[xe_kilroy]

It all comes down to a great coach imo. Always has, in every sport. Great coaches can do it with or without talent, they can also develop raw players into stars, and turn has-beens into important cogs. Coach > talent.

 

[Canard]

As we have no draft, every club in the NRL has access to any junior.

Saying a club has "stole" juniors or exploits a certain area is childish emotional garbage.

The Broncos, Cowboys and Titans have had 10 times the amount of Kiwis play for them, than the Storm have had QLDers for example.

 

[Perth Red]

It took 25 years of sustained on field success and a state of the art stadium to increase the Storm's active fanbase from 9k to 20k. Without the Melbourne Victory pulling huge crowds during the 00s and 10s there is no way MRS would have been built.

News Ltd spent $75m between 1998 and 2012 on the Storm to give them an advantage over every other club, on and off the field. ARLC chipped in another $25m between 2012 and 2018. Without News Ltd and the ARLC the Storm wouldn't have succeeded on and off the field.

A Perth-based NRL team isn't going to be given preferential treatment by News Ltd and the ARLC. It'll be thrown into the deep end and forced to sink or swim. There's zero chance of a Perth-based team enjoying 25 years of sustained on field success like the Storm.

Perth will struggle to convince the game's marquee players and most talented juniors to choose them over the 17 existing clubs.

The Storm were able to hoard the best juniors between 1998-2012 because they were bankrolled by News Ltd while most of the other clubs were struggling to survive. No one bar the Broncos and Storm had the resources to invest money on junior development.

Many clubs in 2024 have state of the art training centres and invest in junior development. Some of the training centres in Sydney cost $50m and we're funded by the NSW Gov. Perth will be starting from scratch without a training centre and will be lucky to compete with the lower teams.

Unless some one like Twiggy Forrest invests tens of millions on a Perth-based club's infrastructure during its first few years then it's not going to be in the same league as the heavyweights. It'll more likely than not struggle like the Titans, on and off the field.

You'll ignore all of these facts and say there's no reason a well run club cannot succeed in Perth, without addressing the problem that to be "well
run" Perth will need to invest $50m or more on its infrastructure over its first few years to compete with the best. The Titans almost went bust trying to do to this with its Centre of Excellence.

It actually took 3 years before the Storm were achieving the NRl crowd avg.

yep thats why we need Force or Glory to do better, a new perth NRl cub to be up challenging the capacity for some games then we might see HBF park get finished. Its hard to justify spending $200mill of tax payers money on a stadium when the current two tenants cant half fill it.
Or Vlandys to guarantee a Perth team if the Govt finishes it!

The odds of matching their success are against it, but Perth isnt Melbourne and wont need their level of success to pull a crowd.

Maybe, maybe not. Great lifestyle, away from the East coast RL media goldfish bowl, great place to bring up a family, amazing outdoors and weather. Its not a real hard sell if the club has a great coach, good facilities and a good culture. We managed it in 1994 when Perth was a far less attractive city to live.

Training centre, again should be a demand from Vlandys as condition of a license. State govt here has funded hundreds of millions of $'s worth of training centres for other sports. That should be an easy demand for NRL to make.

There is no reason a well run club with some decent start up backing cant succeed in Perth. NRL is on a high, interest in Perth is at a high (40k locals last year at NRL event) Govt wants a team and NRL should be demanding what that support looks like and a consortium of successful businessmen ready to run it. We wont be Broncos, but we wont be Titans either.