18th club, whose next?

[Perth Red]

You've been arguing ad nauseum about the new time slot Perth can fill. If Perth hosts three Ch9 games in the Sun 4pm AEST timeslot then that leaves them with just nine to be played at Sun 6pm AEST.

The Warriors don't play all twelve of their games at Fri 6pm AEST.

The Eagles and Dockers only played in the Sun evening slot 9 times in 2023.

Will the NRL want a Perth-based NRL team to play its home games at the same time the Eagles and Dockers are at Perth Stadium?

Ch9 will monitor the ratings for a Perth team. If the ratings are shit then they won't feature them too many times.

Why do you keep bringing up the Cowboys?

It's an apples vs oranges comparison.

Cowboys generate the bulk of their revenue from the local economy. Their main sponsorship deal is with a dozen or more Toyota car dealerships from FNQ. It's not as important for them to be on national television because they're selling their product to locals.

VenuesWest said they want an NRL team to provide local companies with exposure to audiences in Brisbane and Sydney. They'll need a decent amount of FTA coverage for their home games to maximise revenue from signage.

That’s right, well done on your arithmetic. 9 unliked slots by east coast teams. Happy days.

because you made the stupid comment that perth won’t get signage revenue because they’ll mostly be on ptv. Cowboys are the perfect evidence you’re talking Bollox.

agin no. You’re tailing Bollox. Ptv audience is as big as fta now.

 

[blue bags]

Head of Strategy WWOS, Simon Fordham

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For Fordham, making the most of this momentum looks like bringing more games to the region – and potentially another team.

Fordham: “We’re really committed to working with the NRL in growing the competition, and Queensland is a big part of that. We think there’s room for another team here in Queensland, and the Dolphins have been the perfect example.

The Battle of Brisbane: Behind Nine’s NRL push into Queensland

During the Broncos v Dolphins much hyped NRL clash, Mediaweek caught up with Nine's Kylie Blucher and Simon Fordham.

www.mediaweek.com.au

Brisbane Bear's BABY ,

 

[Colk]

That’s right, well done on your arithmetic. 9 unliked slots by east coast teams. Happy days.

because you made the stupid comment that perth won’t get signage revenue because they’ll mostly be on ptv. Cowboys are the perfect evidence you’re talking Bollox.

agin no. You’re tailing Bollox. Ptv audience is as big as fta now.

It’s actually bigger. A fair deal bigger. FTA is a medium that is becoming less and less important.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That’s right, well done on your arithmetic. 9 unliked slots by east coast teams. Happy days.

because you made the stupid comment that perth won’t get signage revenue because they’ll mostly be on ptv. Cowboys are the perfect evidence you’re talking Bollox.

agin no. You’re tailing Bollox. Ptv audience is as big as fta now.

I didn't say Perth won't get any money from signage. I said the amount they generate from this revenue stream will be limited because their home games will be buried on PTV.

Here's the statement from Venueswest that I was responding to:

The inclusion of a WA team would deliver significant economic and tourism benefits through the attraction of interstate visitors and exposure of the State to large television audiences on the east coast.

Government to support third party bidder for WA-based NRL team

McGowan Government to support potential third-party bid for a WA-based NRL team. Preliminary work has already begun with VenuesWest appointing consultants Freshwater Strategy to ascertain interest from potential third parties and determine bid structure.

www.venueswest.wa.gov.au

Argue around it all you want. It doesn't change the fact that a game broadcast exclusively on PTV will not get as much exposure as one that's simulcast on PTV and FTV.

You then brought up the Cowboys.

WHY?

The Cowboys don't need a national audience because their sponsors are selling their products to residents from FNQ.

This is in stark contrast to Venueswest stating a Perth-based team will help local businesses sell their product to the east coast. No matter how you try to spin it, the fact remains that a Friday night game simulcast on FTA and PTV will generate a larger audience than a Saturday game that's broadcast exclusively to PTV.

All you've done is argue around this fact because you cannot stand any criticism of Perth's limitations.

To suggest the viewership for a game that's broadcast exclusively on PTV will be viewed by as many eye balls as one that's simulcast on FTA and PTV is insane.

Do you have proof that the combined FTA and PTV ratings for a Friday 8pm game simulcast on Ch9 and Fox League generates the exact same viewership as a Saturday night game that's only available on Fox League?

You said the audience is the same. Time for you to back it up. We both know you won't because you're speaking shit.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

According to Wookie, the average viewership on PTV is 416,000 per game. For FTA it's 485,000 per game.

FTA 32.267m @ 453,000 p/g
BVOD 2.617m @ 32,000 p/g
FOX STB 42.742m @ 222,000 p/g
Kayo est 37.201m @ 194,000 p/g

2022 NRL/NRLW TV Ratings - Sports Industry AU

NRLW (1) In 2022, the average audience on Channel Nine has eclipsed the combined average for both broadcasters in 2020. About 150,000 people have tuned in to watch NRLW matches on Channel Nine in metropolitan and regional markets. The 53 per cent increase in viewers on Nine is reflected in a...

www.footyindustry.com

@Perth Red is arguing that the combined FTA and PTV viewership for a Fri 9pm game is the same as a Sat game exclusive to PTV.

 

[Perth Red]

Cowboys have shown you can have a 3/9 split and still rake in the corporate dollars. move on lol. For all the challenges a perth club may face, selling ground signage becuase they are mostly on ptv isnt going to be a big one!

 

[Perth Red]

Abdo saying a whole lot of nothing as usual

It’s that belief that has the ARL Commission and NRL weighing up the merits of expansion to 18 or possibly 19 teams in the coming years before potentially hitting 20 at some point down the track.
Abdo has been inundated with interest from potential consortiums. Papua New Guinea has been pushing hard. So too Perth. Brisbane Easts are working the phones. Pacifika is of interest. When the time comes, there will be no shortage of interested parties

Abdo won’t put a specific timeline on expansion but the day is fast arriving when the ARL Commission sits down to decide where and when to introduce additional teams.
“You have to take a long-term view,” Abdo said.
“It is very much the agenda, it is very much something we talk about all the time. Peter V’landys, our chairman, is very passionate about this as is the commission.
“You don’t get on a whiteboard and write this is the perfect timeline. We’re in a phase of the game which is exciting. We think about it all the time. It is part of everything we do.
“We are in a phase now where there is an opportunity in the market to continue to grow our game. That growth is going to come from a number of ways.
“We need to keep developing talent, we need to keep on thinking where we place our teams. In terms of when and where, that is a work in progress.”

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[Pneuma]

100% on side with PR on this one. Sunday night 6pm game is perfect for Perth. It’s a crowd dead zone elsewhere but a prime time crowd wise for Perth. Same as NZ should monopolise the 6pm Friday game. If you want to build crowds and a tv audience in a new/growing market then give them regularity.

 

[Wb1234]

Abdo saying a whole lot of nothing as usual

It’s that belief that has the ARL Commission and NRL weighing up the merits of expansion to 18 or possibly 19 teams in the coming years before potentially hitting 20 at some point down the track.
Abdo has been inundated with interest from potential consortiums. Papua New Guinea has been pushing hard. So too Perth. Brisbane Easts are working the phones. Pacifika is of interest. When the time comes, there will be no shortage of interested parties

Abdo won’t put a specific timeline on expansion but the day is fast arriving when the ARL Commission sits down to decide where and when to introduce additional teams.
“You have to take a long-term view,” Abdo said.
“It is very much the agenda, it is very much something we talk about all the time. Peter V’landys, our chairman, is very passionate about this as is the commission.
“You don’t get on a whiteboard and write this is the perfect timeline. We’re in a phase of the game which is exciting. We think about it all the time. It is part of everything we do.
“We are in a phase now where there is an opportunity in the market to continue to grow our game. That growth is going to come from a number of ways.
“We need to keep developing talent, we need to keep on thinking where we place our teams. In terms of when and where, that is a work in progress.”

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700 million in revenue this year

Another profit off. 50 million and two new teams to be announced shortly

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Hasn't Perth Red accused the Cowboys of relying on pokies?

Yes he has!

cowboys reliant on $3mill a year from pokie den

If anything cowboys viability now, all be it still needing pokie funding, shows how stupid it was to cut perth.

Cowboys get a 'grant' of around $2mill from the pokie den. Its no different, FC becomes lazy as the LC props it up.

The same Perth Red who reckons a Perth-based team only needs to generate as much revenue from football operations as the Cowboys?

most clubs operate on around $32mill a year of which $17mill comes from the nrl. That leaves clubs needing to generate $15mill in sponsors, corporates and fan spend. 20k members, 15k crowd avg and a full sponsorship/corporate portfolio in the region of $7mill revenue has been proven to be enough to make a club $1-2mill profitable With the the increased nrl grant.

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One minute he's saying the Cowboys are sustainable without pokies. Next minute he says they ain't.

 

[Perth Red]

Hasn't Perth Red accused the Cowboys of relying on pokies?

Yes he has!

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The same Perth Red who reckons a Perth-based team only needs to generate as much revenue from football operations as the Cowboys?

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One minute he's saying the Cowboys are sustainable without pokies. Next minute he says they ain't.

Nope, I said cowboys still use pokie funding. Not sure if you understand business but it’s revenue v expenditure. So it’s not as simple as just saying if perth matches cowboys revenue.

besides you know full well we were talking about your Bollox statement re ground signage and fta coverage, not the whole running of a football Club.

 

[Perth Red]

700 million in revenue this year

Another profit off. 50 million and two new teams to be announced shortly

Good news indeed, hopefully they’ve put back the missing grassroots funding!

 

[Wb1234]

Good news indeed, hopefully they’ve put back the missing grassroots funding!

Perth nrl team will be the way forward for the tiny wa junior base

nrl will be buying more hotels or part owning a stadium in Liverpool

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Nope, I said cowboys still use pokie funding.

I provided two examples of your saying Cowboys are "reliant" on and "needing" pokie revenue.

cowboys reliant on $3mill a year from pokie den

If anything cowboys viability now, all be it still needing pokie funding, shows how stupid it was to cut perth.

You're not going to lie and strawman your way out of this one.

Not sure if you understand business but it’s revenue v expenditure. So it’s not as simple as just saying if perth matches cowboys revenue.

I'm not sure you understand business or the gravity of the situation because a Perth-based team will need to spend heavily in its start-up years to attract the players and staff needed to compete with the strongest clubs.

It will most definitely rely on government grants to build the infrastructure needed to compete in the NRL. The club will need a high performance training centre that matches the big clubs if it wants to recruit marquee players.

Third party deals will be needed to compete with the Broncos and Roosters.

besides you know full well we were talking about your Bollox statement re ground signage and fta coverage, not the whole running of a football Club.

For years we had clubs complaining about the unfair advantage the Broncos were given off the field by being on FTA more than any other team. Now you're saying there's no validity to their claims.

You're also saying the Cowboys and Perth are a like for like scenario. They ain't. One of the arguments pitched by Venueswest for basing a team out of Perth is the exposure it will provide local businesses to audiences in Brisbane and Sydney. Dance around it all you like, but the fact remains that a game on FTA and PTV is going to be viewed by more eyeballs than one that's only broadcast on PTV.

 

[Wb1234]

I provided two examples of your saying Cowboys are "reliant" on and "needing" pokie revenue.

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You're not going to lie and strawman your way out of this one.



I'm not sure you understand business or the gravity of the situation because a Perth-based team will need to spend heavily in its start-up years to attract the players and staff needed to compete with the strongest clubs.

It will most definitely rely on government grants to build the infrastructure needed to compete in the NRL. The club will need a high performance training centre that matches the big clubs if it wants to recruit marquee players.

Third party deals will be needed to compete with the Broncos and Roosters.


For years we had clubs complaining about the unfair advantage the Broncos were given off the field by being on FTA more than any other team. Now you're saying there's no validity to their claims.

You're also saying the Cowboys and Perth are a like for like scenario. They ain't. One of the arguments pitched by Venueswest for basing a team out of Perth is the exposure it will provide local businesses to audiences in Brisbane and Sydney. Dance around it all you like, but the fact remains that a game on FTA and PTV is going to be viewed by more eyeballs than one that's only broadcast on PTV.

Bro go easy on him his team got obliterated last night

 

[Canard]

I provided two examples of your saying Cowboys are "reliant" on and "needing" pokie revenue.

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You're not going to lie and strawman your way out of this one.



I'm not sure you understand business or the gravity of the situation because a Perth-based team will need to spend heavily in its start-up years to attract the players and staff needed to compete with the strongest clubs.

It will most definitely rely on government grants to build the infrastructure needed to compete in the NRL. The club will need a high performance training centre that matches the big clubs if it wants to recruit marquee players.

Third party deals will be needed to compete with the Broncos and Roosters.


For years we had clubs complaining about the unfair advantage the Broncos were given off the field by being on FTA more than any other team. Now you're saying there's no validity to their claims.

You're also saying the Cowboys and Perth are a like for like scenario. They ain't. One of the arguments pitched by Venueswest for basing a team out of Perth is the exposure it will provide local businesses to audiences in Brisbane and Sydney. Dance around it all you like, but the fact remains that a game on FTA and PTV is going to be viewed by more eyeballs than one that's only broadcast on PTV.

This f**king idiot thinks he has some sort of "gotcha" and ground signage will prevent the expansion of RL in Australia.

FMD

 

[Perth Red]

Perth nrl team will be the way forward for the tiny wa junior base

nrl will be buying more hotels or part owning a stadium in Liverpool

While slashing grassroots funding? Sounds a great strategy for the games long term future.

 

[Perth Red]

I provided two examples of your saying Cowboys are "reliant" on and "needing" pokie revenue.

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You're not going to lie and strawman your way out of this one.



I'm not sure you understand business or the gravity of the situation because a Perth-based team will need to spend heavily in its start-up years to attract the players and staff needed to compete with the strongest clubs.

It will most definitely rely on government grants to build the infrastructure needed to compete in the NRL. The club will need a high performance training centre that matches the big clubs if it wants to recruit marquee players.

Third party deals will be needed to compete with the Broncos and Roosters.


For years we had clubs complaining about the unfair advantage the Broncos were given off the field by being on FTA more than any other team. Now you're saying there's no validity to their claims.

You're also saying the Cowboys and Perth are a like for like scenario. They ain't. One of the arguments pitched by Venueswest for basing a team out of Perth is the exposure it will provide local businesses to audiences in Brisbane and Sydney. Dance around it all you like, but the fact remains that a game on FTA and PTV is going to be viewed by more eyeballs than one that's only broadcast on PTV.

None of which has anything To do with the conversation we were having about the Bollox you were spouting about fta covg and ground signage lol
it was so dumb of you I can see why your taking things in a different direction!
cowboys only and 3 fta home games yet have one of the biggest corporate revenues in the comp. despite being a regional team. There is clearly zero correlation!

 

[Perth Red]

Bro go easy on him his team got obliterated last night

I’m happy man, I’m used to being stressed out by relegation battles this time of year, a defeat ina semi final is a blessing compared to what we have to normally go through

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Bro go easy on him his team got obliterated last night

His team is tiny, yet he ridicules the size of NRL clubs.