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18th club, whose next?

Gobsmacked

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@Perth Red is the worst spokesmen a wa nrl team can have. He has a knack of turning neutrals into anti Perths
I wanted a Perth team above all else until I came on here and listened to pure bs, the rainbows and unicorns of WA.
If NZ doesn't get up, I still want Perth though. The population has increased substantially since the 90's and a lot of that are nsw and Queensland expats. Western Australians aren't as bad as Melbournians when it comes to religious AFL support to be fair. Nobody's going to switch to league but they ( a bit like nz) love a winner! And if they're successful, they could do ok... but only when they're going good!
PVL hasn't asked for a new stadium...why? Because team 18 are already building a new stadium...
 

Wb1234

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I wanted a Perth team above all else until I came on here and listened to pure bs, the rainbows and unicorns of WA.
If NZ doesn't get up, I still want Perth though. The population has increased substantially since the 90's and a lot of that are nsw and Queensland expats. Western Australians aren't as bad as Melbournians when it comes to religious AFL support to be fair. Nobody's going to switch to league but they ( a bit like nz) love a winner! And if they're successful, they could do ok... but only when they're going good!
PVL hasn't asked for a new stadium...why? Because team 18 are already building a new stadium...
Still have no juniors or value to tv companies
 

Iamback

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I wanted a Perth team above all else until I came on here and listened to pure bs, the rainbows and unicorns of WA.
If NZ doesn't get up, I still want Perth though. The population has increased substantially since the 90's and a lot of that are nsw and Queensland expats. Western Australians aren't as bad as Melbournians when it comes to religious AFL support to be fair. Nobody's going to switch to league but they ( a bit like nz) love a winner! And if they're successful, they could do ok... but only when they're going good!
PVL hasn't asked for a new stadium...why? Because team 18 are already building a new stadium...

It really is that simple.

GC is RL area and when the team started losing the side fell apart.

That is even more the case in a new market
 

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Still have no juniors or value to tv companies
There's a lot about Perth that doesn't stack up today, it'll take 30 years before it's solidified. If we did it today, in 30 to 50 years it'll be a great club! And the longer we put it off the further that gets put back and the same can be said for Adelaide to a degree.

I believe the strategy of the nrl is to get us up to 18 with safe expansion options we know work- Brisbane and NZ. Extra games, extra money...then the big investment for the future.
NZ 2 for 2027 , then we have the foundation to support more risky expansion in Perth and Adelaide, probably 2032 and 2037.
 

Iamback

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There's a lot about Perth that doesn't stack up today, it'll take 30 years before it's solidified. If we did it today, in 30 to 50 years it'll be a great club! And the longer we put it off the further that gets put back and the same can be said for Adelaide to a degree.

I believe the strategy of the nrl is to get us up to 18 with safe expansion options we know work- Brisbane and NZ. Extra games, extra money...then the big investment for the future.
NZ 2 for 2027 , then we have the foundation to support more risky expansion in Perth and Adelaide, probably 2032 and 2037.

To be fair I am all for PNG next but they are similar, We are looking where we want to be strong in 20 years not where is strong in 2030
 

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To be fair I am all for PNG next but they are similar, We are looking where we want to be strong in 20 years not where is strong in 2030
A team in PNG rest on PNG as a country first! For starters, Port Moresby is only 400k... many on here have argued that that is not enough to sustain a team..even in an affluent country like nz! Obviously I disagree on the number but in Port Moresby these people are in poverty. I only just learned that a big issue in Port Moresby is available land! And that a lot of this population are in shanty towns that are squatting on tribal land!
That place is 50 to 100 years from being in the conversation, sorry png but that's the reality.

The NRL could be taking more initiative there though!
 

Dark Corner

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There's a lot about Perth that doesn't stack up today, it'll take 30 years before it's solidified. If we did it today, in 30 to 50 years it'll be a great club! And the longer we put it off the further that gets put back and the same can be said for Adelaide to a degree.

I believe the strategy of the nrl is to get us up to 18 with safe expansion options we know work- Brisbane and NZ. Extra games, extra money...then the big investment for the future.
NZ 2 for 2027 , then we have the foundation to support more risky expansion in Perth and Adelaide, probably 2032 and 2037.
No I don't want to wait that long.
 

Wb1234

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There's a lot about Perth that doesn't stack up today, it'll take 30 years before it's solidified. If we did it today, in 30 to 50 years it'll be a great club! And the longer we put it off the further that gets put back and the same can be said for Adelaide to a degree.

I believe the strategy of the nrl is to get us up to 18 with safe expansion options we know work- Brisbane and NZ. Extra games, extra money...then the big investment for the future.
NZ 2 for 2027 , then we have the foundation to support more risky expansion in Perth and Adelaide, probably 2032 and 2037.
That’s true about the time frame for Perth
 

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A team in PNG rest on PNG as a country first! For starters, Port Moresby is only 400k... many on here have argued that that is not enough to sustain a team..even in an affluent country like nz! Obviously I disagree on the number but in Port Moresby these people are in poverty. I only just learned that a big issue in Port Moresby is available land! And that a lot of this population are in shanty towns that are squatting on tribal land!
That place is 50 to 100 years from being in the conversation, sorry png but that's the reality.

The NRL could be taking more initiative there though!

They aim to have a national road system by 2040.

Having an aim and actually doing it are 2 seperate things BUT as it stands right now you can't drive between the 2 major cities.

So that affects things like trade, Getting supplies in to improve these areas and so on

That should in theory have an effect on the standard of living.

What the NRL want from any new team is extra TV money. We need to get more eyeballs Internationally watching the game.

Increasing the presence in the Pacific helps get Amazon and a like interested. Especially if the US adventure gets meaningful results.

Your NZ 2 also he the same results, but looking long term I'd rather go early and have PNG based in Australia then go later and add another 10-15 years for the international rights to be worth something decent

As for Adelaide, still haven't seen anything to see they are even Interested in a team, Rather go East with Perth as the 20
 

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They aim to have a national road system by 2040.

Having an aim and actually doing it are 2 seperate things BUT as it stands right now you can't drive between the 2 major cities.

So that affects things like trade, Getting supplies in to improve these areas and so on

That should in theory have an effect on the standard of living.

What the NRL want from any new team is extra TV money. We need to get more eyeballs Internationally watching the game.

Increasing the presence in the Pacific helps get Amazon and a like interested. Especially if the US adventure gets meaningful results.

Your NZ 2 also he the same results, but looking long term I'd rather go early and have PNG based in Australia then go later and add another 10-15 years for the international rights to be worth something decent

As for Adelaide, still haven't seen anything to see they are even Interested in a team, Rather go East with Perth as the 20
I hope our government give them and loan them more money to infrastructure like roads, hospitals, schools and waste disposal ect. Make port mosbey big , safe and affluent! The NRL grow the pathways in coaching ,refereeing , skills and nutrition. Better playing facilities...

Then give them a team... probably 30 years away minimum if they work hard.
 

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They aim to have a national road system by 2040.

Having an aim and actually doing it are 2 seperate things BUT as it stands right now you can't drive between the 2 major cities.

So that affects things like trade, Getting supplies in to improve these areas and so on

That should in theory have an effect on the standard of living.

What the NRL want from any new team is extra TV money. We need to get more eyeballs Internationally watching the game.

Increasing the presence in the Pacific helps get Amazon and a like interested. Especially if the US adventure gets meaningful results.

Your NZ 2 also he the same results, but looking long term I'd rather go early and have PNG based in Australia then go later and add another 10-15 years for the international rights to be worth something decent

As for Adelaide, still haven't seen anything to see they are even Interested in a team, Rather go East with Perth as the 20
There isn't enough population and/or financial might in PNG or the Pacific to make any Television Networks interested.

The Pacific is being eyed off as a source of player development only, and even that's challenging given how Union is No1 in every Pacific country and NZ
 

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There isn't enough population and/or financial might in PNG or the Pacific to make any Television Networks interested.

The Pacific is being eyed off as a source of player development only, and even that's challenging given how Union is No1 in every Pacific country and NZ
No 1 ? Sure but the NRL just wants to be the no 1 competition..that's followed.. and very easily accomplished as Super Rugby is stumbling..
And if they generally population are following NRL, they will want to play Rugby league and that will then become the national sport.

NRL will put another team in NZ, that will pull more tv money, sponsorship and support to the NRL to the further detriment of Super Rugby..
Super Rugby will fail in around 10 to 20 years , nz rugby will fall back into the npc and the NRL will be the undisputed king in the Pacific.
 

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I hope our government give them and loan them more money to infrastructure like roads, hospitals, schools and waste disposal ect. Make port mosbey big , safe and affluent! The NRL grow the pathways in coaching ,refereeing , skills and nutrition. Better playing facilities...

Then give them a team... probably 30 years away minimum if they work hard.

Yeah I don't see them getting in this time, I just want them to be given a time line to atleast work too
 

Canard

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No 1 ? Sure but the NRL just wants to be the no 1 competition..that's followed.. and very easily accomplished as Super Rugby is stumbling..
And if they generally population are following NRL, they will want to play Rugby league and that will then become the national sport.

NRL will put another team in NZ, that will pull more tv money, sponsorship and support to the NRL to the further detriment of Super Rugby..
Super Rugby will fail in around 10 to 20 years , nz rugby will fall back into the npc and the NRL will be the undisputed king in the Pacific.
Union isn't just "Super Rugby" though.

The horizon for when the NRL might expand to NZ2 is unknown and likely a decade or so at the earliest.

NZ only supplies around $25M or so a year to any TV deal, so it's not a big cash cow for us TV wise.
 

Iamback

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There isn't enough population and/or financial might in PNG or the Pacific to make any Television Networks interested.

The Pacific is being eyed off as a source of player development only, and even that's challenging given how Union is No1 in every Pacific country and NZ

It depends how it is grouped in the data, Hawaii is a US market that works in timezone, culture of the Rugby codes. That could be grouped with NZ, Fiji, PNG etc. certainly easier to go there with teams in multiple countries

I don't think they will buy the whole thing to produce but there is no reason they can't run the local feed, Add an extra $200m or so to the rights on top of whatever the local rights are at the time.

Not to mention stronger International teams hopefully sees finally some money go to the game
 

Gobsmacked

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Union isn't just "Super Rugby" though.

The horizon for when the NRL might expand to NZ2 is unknown and likely a decade or so at the earliest.

NZ only supplies around $25M or so a year to any TV deal, so it's not a big cash cow for us TV wise.
Watch.
Next team is nz, 2027.
Super rugby yet another poor year, poorer than the last . With no wc coming, the best players are headed overseas..
Big year for the Warriors and the announcement of another nz at the end of the year will be the icing on the cake.
Rugby league is going to run over the top of Rugby in nz over the next 10 years like a freight train.
 

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