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Canard

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NRL expansion shock with Perth on track to become 18th team in possible alliance with Newtown Jets over North Sydney Bears​

Brent Read, Michael Carayannis and Peter Badel
June 12, 2024 - 4:00PM

The NRL’s path to 20 teams has taken a surprise twist with Perth now the frontrunner to become the game’s latest franchise amid an 11th hour push to have Western Australia in the competition by 2027.

The issue will come to a head with a crucial ARL Commission meeting on the morning of the second State of Origin game in Melbourne on June 26, where they will finalise their plans for the future of the premiership.

Support for Perth to link up with the Newtown Jets continues to grow despite speculation that North Sydney had a near guarantee that they would be part of any new side in Western Australia.

PNG had long been considered the game’s next expansion side but it is understood that the PNG team’s entry to the premiership may follow Perth by 12 months, giving the NRL an expanded 19-team competition by 2028.
Despite the development, the appetite remains for PNG – backed by a bumper $600 million cash injection courtesy of the federal government – to join the NRL.

However, this masthead understands that a bid from Perth – backed by the Western Australian government – is now edging ahead of PNG as the commission looks to add an 18th team as early as 2027. PNG would then become the NRL’s 19th team before a 20th franchise was added to the competition, most likely on the south island of New Zealand.

While the PNG bid has largely hogged the expansion headlines, Perth officials have been quietly going about their business with the strong support of the WA government, WA Rugby League and consortium boss Peter Cumins.
Cumins is the head of a powerful group which also includes his brother Brian Cumins, The Cumins family have a relationship with rugby league stretching back to the Western Reds – Brian Cumins is the founder of Cash Converters, who sponsored the Reds.

The Brothers are two of the driving forces behind a bid to bring the NRL back to Perth, either as a stand-alone entity or as part of a partnership with the Bears or the Jets.

Talks have been held with both former top flight clubs, although an alliance with the Bears has the support of ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys as the game looks to revive a latent supporter base and one of the most powerful brands in the game.

While the Bears link has dominated talk there is some reluctance at the Western Australian government level to join forces with North Sydney. Instead, Newtown have been quietly building their own case in the background and have forged strong relationships with the powerbrokers in Western Australia.

Sources close to the discussions acknowledged that Newtown may be a favourable partner should Western Australia be unable to become a stand-alone franchise. The Jets have also been working on financial backers to help with their return.

Perth consortium members held top-level talks with ARL Commissioner Peter Beattie in WA last week as they looked to turn up the heat on powerbrokers to prioritise their entry over PNG.

The Perth bid has several factors in its favour, most significantly their appeal to broadcasters because of the favourable time zone – the NRL’s broadcast deal ends in 2027. Adding Perth as the 18th team would also give the NRL more time to ensure the PNG bid strengthens its pathways and has time to be successful.

It is believed the $600 million commitment from the federal government would remain in place as long as PNG remained in the frame for entry to the competition.
Perth, as anyone on here with half a brain has been saying, makes far more long term sense than PNG.

I can't see the NRL expanding so rapidly by 2 teams either, it would be team 18, and then 19 in about 5 to 7 years at the earliest.
 

AyiosYiorgos

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Keep hearing about Brisbane East or Ipswich for those who know, are these area's already covered by the current NRL teams or is it beneficial to have a team in these area's, are they growth area's, is AFL an issue for the NRL in these area's, im not sure of the geography and populations of these area's.
Do we eventually (Decades) go to 22 or 24 teams play each other once and then into finals
 

Jamberoo

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Lets just say, for this example, it takes 10 years for WA pathways to start producing enough quality players in Perth for the bears...

If I was the NRL, I'd let the bears have the Perth licence with the following conditions attached...

- North Sydney premiership history recognised (i.e. swans)

- colours & logo

- They keep their Sydney junior district, but for only 10 years after their readmission. Gives enough time for the Perth pipeline to kick in, then the North Sydney district is divided up by say Manly & Roosters

- They keep their NSO games for 10 years after their readmission. After that, it's 12 games in Perth.
Five Victorians have played for Melbourne in 27 years and you expect WA to be able to field a whole team or fill a squad in a decade? If there are even two or three West Australians in their NRL team come 2037, they will be doing well.
 

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NRL expansion shock with Perth on track to become 18th team in possible alliance with Newtown Jets over North Sydney Bears​

Brent Read, Michael Carayannis and Peter Badel
June 12, 2024 - 4:00PM

The NRL’s path to 20 teams has taken a surprise twist with Perth now the frontrunner to become the game’s latest franchise amid an 11th hour push to have Western Australia in the competition by 2027.

The issue will come to a head with a crucial ARL Commission meeting on the morning of the second State of Origin game in Melbourne on June 26, where they will finalise their plans for the future of the premiership.

Support for Perth to link up with the Newtown Jets continues to grow despite speculation that North Sydney had a near guarantee that they would be part of any new side in Western Australia.

PNG had long been considered the game’s next expansion side but it is understood that the PNG team’s entry to the premiership may follow Perth by 12 months, giving the NRL an expanded 19-team competition by 2028.
Despite the development, the appetite remains for PNG – backed by a bumper $600 million cash injection courtesy of the federal government – to join the NRL.

However, this masthead understands that a bid from Perth – backed by the Western Australian government – is now edging ahead of PNG as the commission looks to add an 18th team as early as 2027. PNG would then become the NRL’s 19th team before a 20th franchise was added to the competition, most likely on the south island of New Zealand.

While the PNG bid has largely hogged the expansion headlines, Perth officials have been quietly going about their business with the strong support of the WA government, WA Rugby League and consortium boss Peter Cumins.
Cumins is the head of a powerful group which also includes his brother Brian Cumins, The Cumins family have a relationship with rugby league stretching back to the Western Reds – Brian Cumins is the founder of Cash Converters, who sponsored the Reds.

The Brothers are two of the driving forces behind a bid to bring the NRL back to Perth, either as a stand-alone entity or as part of a partnership with the Bears or the Jets.

Talks have been held with both former top flight clubs, although an alliance with the Bears has the support of ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys as the game looks to revive a latent supporter base and one of the most powerful brands in the game.

While the Bears link has dominated talk there is some reluctance at the Western Australian government level to join forces with North Sydney. Instead, Newtown have been quietly building their own case in the background and have forged strong relationships with the powerbrokers in Western Australia.

Sources close to the discussions acknowledged that Newtown may be a favourable partner should Western Australia be unable to become a stand-alone franchise. The Jets have also been working on financial backers to help with their return.

Perth consortium members held top-level talks with ARL Commissioner Peter Beattie in WA last week as they looked to turn up the heat on powerbrokers to prioritise their entry over PNG.

The Perth bid has several factors in its favour, most significantly their appeal to broadcasters because of the favourable time zone – the NRL’s broadcast deal ends in 2027. Adding Perth as the 18th team would also give the NRL more time to ensure the PNG bid strengthens its pathways and has time to be successful.

It is believed the $600 million commitment from the federal government would remain in place as long as PNG remained in the frame for entry to the competition.
This seems unlikely. Surely this is just leverage for more control of a JV with Bears? What do the Jets add to a Perth bid?
 

Wb1234

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Keep hearing about Brisbane East or Ipswich for those who know, are these area's already covered by the current NRL teams or is it beneficial to have a team in these area's, are they growth area's, is AFL an issue for the NRL in these area's, im not sure of the geography and populations of these area's.
Do we eventually (Decades) go to 22 or 24 teams play each other once and then into finals
Broncos already cover it but as it’s a huge growth area having a team in the growing south west helps

afl in qld is tiny despite what the afl claims
 

titoelcolombiano

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Five Victorians have played for Melbourne in 27 years and you expect WA to be able to field a whole team or fill a squad in a decade? If there are even two or three West Australians in their NRL team come 2037, they will be doing well.
Yes I believe it won't take that long in Perth because of the lessons learnt in Victoria. For one, pathway teams in place from day 1, not after 25 years will make a massive difference
 

Iamback

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Five Victorians have played for Melbourne in 27 years and you expect WA to be able to field a whole team or fill a squad in a decade? If there are even two or three West Australians in their NRL team come 2037, they will be doing well.

This is the reality of whatever they come up with for Perth
 

titoelcolombiano

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Broncos already cover it but as it’s a huge growth area having a team in the growing south west helps

afl in qld is tiny despite what the afl claims
AFL is less than nothing in Ipswich. The fact that they happen to have a training ground there doesn't mean locals all of a sudden queue up to hand their RL membership in.
 

shewi6

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Thank f**k for that! Some common sense and good lobbying by the wa gov it seems.
Really wish this to be true.

Hopefully the nrl has leveraged some stadium upgrades along with a centre of excellence and junior funding out of all this.
Maybe that is the game they were playing having png as the front runner? Either way sanity looks like it has prevailed.
 

Canard

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Keep hearing about Brisbane East or Ipswich for those who know, are these area's already covered by the current NRL teams or is it beneficial to have a team in these area's, are they growth area's, is AFL an issue for the NRL in these area's, im not sure of the geography and populations of these area's.
Do we eventually (Decades) go to 22 or 24 teams play each other once and then into finals
The Broncos are huge in these areas, it's to early for Bri3.

And LOL @Wb1234 making out he is an expert on QRL matters
 

Diesel

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Keep hearing about Brisbane East or Ipswich for those who know, are these area's already covered by the current NRL teams or is it beneficial to have a team in these area's, are they growth area's, is AFL an issue for the NRL in these area's, im not sure of the geography and populations of these area's.
Do we eventually (Decades) go to 22 or 24 teams play each other once and then into finals
There’s no NRL team on the south side of Brisbane, which includes Cleveland to the East, Ipswich to the West and Logan to the south. The Titans are somehow entrenched in Logan but not sure where the boundary is.
Logan is approx 380k, Redlands 170k and Ipswich 275k. Brisbane LGA is around 1.2m, so easily 500k live on the southside.

TLDR: SEQ needs a west/southside team as the 21st team if we’re adding PNG and NZ
 

shewi6

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PNG would be an unmitigated disaster even with 100M a year funding and would be on deaths door their entire existence, languishing at the bottom of the ladder, casting a shadow over the rest of the nrl, destroying the momentum we have built since covid.

Best to forget about the nrl team part of the deal and get the government to use the 25M a year they want to provide to png for social and junior development and focus it on building the competition in png.
 

Pj,Rj,Hj

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And what was so successful about the Reds ?, they were in the competition for three seasons.
You’ve got to start somewhere, cranky old Butt Wrinkles.
There were successes like a 50% win/loss record in their debut season. They were inconsistent as any new team is, but there was often promise. They lost players due to the SL War, including their captain Brad Mackay. Mark Geyer was often suspended. The mercurial Julien O'Neill tore some games apart. Geyer and Chris Ryan were quickly cult figures and recognisable to the non initiated.

The perception through rose coloured glasses is that is a regretful "what could have been". Had Perth had a proper rectangular stadium in the 90s, had the Reds not been saddled with the blatantly unfair and crippling flight and accommodation costs for them and the oppositions 1st and reserves. That there were some Reds who won a premiership with Melbourne 2 seasons after they were gutted.

Mostly they felt like they were ours, and many Perth people well beyond the Rugby League community are still sentimental about the club, colours, and mascot. Not bad for a mediocre to poorly performing club that only lasted 3 seasons 26 years ago. That's a success in its own right
 

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