1st Chappell/Hadlee Trophy Match AUS v NZ @ WACA

[Gaba]

i didn't seei t ( was in bed by that stage) but did the umpire raise his finger? IF he did you can't just stand your ground, you have to go

The umpires dont raise their fingers when a batsmen is bowled, but even if an umpire does raise his finger doesnt mean the batsmen has to go he can still dispute it, example for a disputed catch, even though the umpire raise his finger batsman still stand there and then the umpires ask for the third umpire to look at it
i seen incident a few times when the batsman even started to walk off and looked at the replay on the screen and turn back after the umpire raises his finger and the decision is changed.

That even before this referral systam

 

[JJ]

even though the umpire raise his finger batsman still stand there and then the umpires ask for the third umpire to look at it

If they do that they should be fined... once the umpire gives you out it's game over

Haddin's a poor sport, and the umpires stuffed up - trying to blame Broom is laughable

 

[Gaba]

If they do that they should be fined... once the umpire gives you out it's game over

Haddin's a poor sport, and the umpires stuffed up - trying to blame Broom is laughable

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=HlXy7LmtnHY

And there are plenty of others , where the umpires gives the batsman out , then reverse the decision after the batsmen dispute it, it been in for years

 

[Meth]

I'm not entirely convinced that Haddin didn't know something was wrong. I've done a bit of keeping- you tend to know when you're gloves are in front of the stumps.

Labeling it cheating might be a bit strong- but perhaps not in the spirit of the game?

McCallum would have claimed it too though

 

[edabomb]

Its a case the batsman didnt know the rules
Actually if the batsman didnt walk, the umpires would had to ask the third umpire, it happen a few times where a batsman had doubts whether he was bowled or not, they just stood there and wait for the umpires to get confirmation from the 3 rd umpire.

The batsman fault for walking off if he had doubts he should have stand his ground, so its wasnt the umpires fault that the third umpire wasnt use it was the batsman himself for not staying out there.

Batsman only tend to do that for catches, which they've seen with their own eyes. There is still an element of trust there if two umpires, the bowler and keeper have all seen something that the batsman doesn't. Well, until last night.

How crucial was Patel's calm head, great competitor that bloke.

 

[The Colonel]

At least the Kiwis will have something current to whinge about instead of something that happened 22 years ago...

 

[Gaba]

Batsman only tend to do that for catches, which they've seen with their own eyes. There is still an element of trust there if two umpires, the bowler and keeper have all seen something that the batsman doesn't. Well, until last night.

How crucial was Patel's calm head, great competitor that bloke.

Actually i seen it a few times where the batsman stand thier ground wanting clarification of being bowled or not

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Ms37yt3lg example of how the umpires had to refer it to the 3 rd umpire the batsman wouldnt go after being bowled


That what the nz batsman should have done , if he had doubt whether it was bowled or not

 

[Twizzle]

I'm not entirely convinced that Haddin didn't know something was wrong. I've done a bit of keeping- you tend to know when you're gloves are in front of the stumps.

Labeling it cheating might be a bit strong- but perhaps not in the spirit of the game?

McCallum would have claimed it too though

I've done it a heap of times myself and you simply cant tell, its up the the umpires to make the decision, not Haddin

I often keep up at the stumps to the medium pacers, I've called a few blokes back when I knew what happened but when its close its impossible to call

they should have used the replay to get the correct decision

 

[Meth]

I've done it a heap of times myself and you simply cant tell, its up the the umpires to make the decision, not Haddin

For sure- ultimately, the blame lies with the umpires.

I'm just suggesting that Haddin would have, or could have known that it wasn't as clean as a cut and dry batsmen being bowled

 

[Gaba]

For sure- ultimately, the blame lies with the umpires.

I'm just suggesting that Haddin would have, or could have known that it wasn't as clean as a cut and dry batsmen being bowled

No its the batsman for going , as an video link i posted in above post where the batsman have the right to stand there if they arent sure of it being bowled.

The nz batsman didnt know the rules, the umpire can not ask the 3rd umpire if there is no dispute, so its the fault of the batsman walking , by remaining at the crease the umpire would had no option but to ask for the 3rd umpire because the batsman not sure whether he was bowled

 

[Meth]

No its the batsman for going , as an video link i posted in above post where the batsman have the right to stand there if they arent sure of it being bowled.

The nz batsman didnt know the rules, the umpire can not ask the 3rd umpire if there is no dispute, so its the fault of the batsman walking , by remaining at the crease the umpire would had no option but to ask for the 3rd umpire because the batsman not sure whether he was bowled

The batsmen would have been within his rights to stay, but why should he have to?

Ultimately, the umpires messed it up- that much is for sure

 

[Gaba]

The batsmen would have been within his rights to stay, but why should he have to?

Ultimately, the umpires messed it up- that much is for sure

I underatand your point, but when it first happen it did looked like he was bowled, so it was hard for the umpire to make a decision plus the batsman walked, it wasnt clear till the replays showed

 

[edabomb]

No its the batsman for going , as an video link i posted in above post where the batsman have the right to stand there if they arent sure of it being bowled.

The nz batsman didnt know the rules, the umpire can not ask the 3rd umpire if there is no dispute, so its the fault of the batsman walking , by remaining at the crease the umpire would had no option but to ask for the 3rd umpire because the batsman not sure whether he was bowled

So you're arguing it's fine to break the rules if no-one notices as Haddin did by intercepting the ball before it passed the stumps?? Don't think you'll get much support.

 

[Meth]

I underatand your point, but when it first happen it did looked like he was bowled, so it was hard for the umpire to make a decision plus the batsman walked, it wasnt clear till the replays showed

I think blame lies more with Oxenford more than Bucknor on this occasion- he was standing at square leg and should have spotted Haddin's gloves in front of the stumps straight away

 

[Fast Eddie]

He should have also spotted that huge inside edge McCullum got. Seriously you could tell straight away he got an inside edge on it. Hopeless.

 

[Twizzle]

So you're arguing it's fine to break the rules if no-one notices as Haddin did by intercepting the ball before it passed the stumps?? Don't think you'll get much support.

thats a good point, although hard to tell if he actually took it in front of the stumps or he just broke the stumps with his gloves

the keeper is not allowed to take the ball till it passes the stumps (if the batsman doesn't hit the ball)

 

[ozbash]

If it wasnt cheating, wtf was it,, an accident ?

guilty conscience more like it.

Just confirms the "win at all cost" mentality shown at the stadium and on this forum.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

jesus these f**king kiwis will never shut up about this if they lose

or if they win

as predicted

 

[Meth]

its rare for Bucknor to be the better of the two umpires

 

[Twizzle]

Tension over Daniel Vettori slur on Aussie keeper Brad Haddin
By Richard Earle
February 02, 2009
A FURORE has erupted as New Zealand skipper Daniel Vettori questioned the integrity of Australia keeper Brad Haddin following Sunday night's Chappell-Hadlee thriller in Perth.

A critical fourth-wicket stand ended when umpires Steve Bucknor and Bruce Oxenford consulted to give in-form Kiwi Neil Broom (29) out bowled to Michael Clarke in the 36th over. Broom had put on 42 runs with brilliant batsman Ross Taylor (64).

The bails appeared to be dislodged by Haddin's gloves, which were in front of the stumps.

This notionally meant a no-ball should have been called.

Vettori added spice to the remaining four games in the series after focusing on Haddin's reaction to the dismissal, which almost conspired against his side's, final ball, two-wicket win.

"I think we were pretty pleased to get there in the end. I think you saw from Haddin's reaction that he knew something was wrong, so he probably should have made more noise about it," said Vettori, infuriating Aussie skipper Ricky Ponting.

"I thought it was a partnership that was going to win us the game so it put us under more pressure."

Angry Ponting defended Haddin, saying his Kiwi counterpart should be more careful with his words.

"Brad on the field said he was certain the ball had flicked the off-stump," said Ponting, whose side lost its fourth game in a row.




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