1st ODI NZ v Australia 3 Feb 2016: Eden Park Auckland

[ANTiLAG]

Woo, touchy

Yeah, I am no fan of Mitch, but he'd actually shown some intelligence to his bowling this summer, so is a loss tbh

Agreed.

 

[JJ]

Starc is statistically one of the best odi bowlers ever in an era where the deck is stacked against bowlers. He is a bigger loss than all of your losses put together. Just look at starcs odi record ffs

What a shame, sorry to hear that

 

[Pete Cash]

Im not going to downplay expectations. If we lose we lose. Nz are a very good odi side despite kiwi protests that they are crippled but lets be honest about the talent australia has sitting on the sidelines.

Maybe that wouldnt have made a difference. Nz beat australia the last time a game was held in nz despite an epic bowling effort by Starc.

 

[Pete Cash]

What a shame, sorry to hear that

Again, i know you guys want to downplay expectations for whatever reason (despite beating us in nz with starc only a year ago) but you arent being honest about the talent australia has lost compared with the talent nz has lost.

Because you are worried australia might win

 

[ANTiLAG]

Starc is statistically one of the best odi bowlers ever in an era where the deck is stacked against bowlers. He is a bigger loss than all of your losses put together. Just look at starcs odi record ffs

This may be true if Boult starts swinging it today.

But seeing Starc would be limited to ten overs if fit, and NZ is down two bowlers and Boult's swing, NZ is concerned about getting wickets.

It is 4 wickets to Mitch is the philosophy most sides playing Australia would have. And I'm a big fan of Faulkner's batting potential.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Again, i know you guys want to downplay expectations for whatever reason (despite beating us in nz with starc only a year ago) but you arent being honest about the talent australia has lost compared with the talent nz has lost.

Because you are worried australia might win

Who have you lost that remotely compares to Ross Taylor?

Finch?

Lol.

NZ is worried about a huge hole in its middle order first and foremost, bowling less so but only because Henry has been ok this summer.

There is no way Henry was meant to be playing you guys but for injuries.

Santner will be targetted by your batsmen. Just watch. If Henry and Boult cannot get second spell wickets, Santner will be put under the pump. Sink or swim for him this series.

 

[Pete Cash]

Who have you lost that remotely compares to Ross Taylor?

Finch?

Lol.

Good bowling is more important than good batting. Who have you lost that is remotely comparable with starc in odi cricket?

 

[JJ]

Again, i know you guys want to downplay expectations for whatever reason (despite beating us in nz with starc only a year ago) but you arent being honest about the talent australia has lost compared with the talent nz has lost.

Because you are worried australia might win

Regardless of who plays, IMO it'd be 2-1 not sure who'd win the series. Starc is terrific, so too was Boult last year - what we've seen this year from him has been mediocre for the most part - bit make no mistake if he can keep his pace at 14o and swing the ball he is a terrific bowler, his spells in the tests last year to Sangakarra were as good as you'd ever see.

Not downplaying anything - I expect a close ODI and close test series - the series in Australia was close, yes you won at Adelaide and will come back with 2-0 comments, but that's ignoring the way the test went

We need conditions that the ball moves about in, and you are pretty dire in those conditions - should get them in the tests if NZ cricket knows what they're doing

 

[JJ]

Good bowling is more important than good batting. Who have you lost that is remotely comparable with starc in odi cricket?

Southee, Meclenaghan and half of Boult - that combination is a fair loss...

Wow, lot of eggs in the Starc basket

 

[chigurh]

Seems both selectors are idiots - NZ playing Boult when he's as busted as some like to make out, and Australia leaving Usman out when he is in incredible form.

Anyway should be a good series between two good sides. The kiwis at home, playing their version of the Ashes, should be too good.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Southee, Meclenaghan and half of Boult - that combination is a fair loss...

Wow, lot of eggs in the Starc basket

Tried making that point to them.

It is not as though Australia could not select Pattinson for the ODI series.

They've decided to cotton wool him for the tests. It is a tactical decision by Cricket Australia.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Seems both selectors are idiots - NZ playing Boult when he's as busted as some like to make out, and Australia leaving Usman out when he is in incredible form.

Anyway should be a good series between two good sides. The kiwis at home, playing their version of the Ashes, should be too good.

I do not think you're missing Khawaja's ODI average of 7 at all.

SMarsh got a lot of runs against India.

NZ has no choice but to play Boult. McClenaghan and Southee are injured.

And as much as Hesson is a very impressive tactician, I do not think he has done right by Munro. He has been smart with the bowlers in limited overs. Munro (and Wagner taking too long be brought back) are my only Hesson quibbles. (Rutherford only tours, not plays, so perhaps he mixes the best drinks). Nicholls may be added to that list soon though if he doesn't show something.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Anyway should be a good series between two good sides. The kiwis at home, playing their version of the Ashes, should be too good.

The rugby world cup won't be back in NZ for twenty years at least.

What are you on about?

 

[ANTiLAG]

Good bowling is more important than good batting.

It is a batsman's game.

Flat wickets.

Small boundaries.

Big bats.

Havn't you heard?

 

[chigurh]

I do not think you're missing Khawaja's ODI average of 7 at all.

SMarsh got a lot of runs against India.

NZ has no choice but to play Boult. McClenaghan and Southee are injured.

And as much as Hesson is a very impressive tactician, I do not think he has done right by Munro. He has been smart with the bowlers in limited overs. Munro (and Wagner taking too long be brought back) are my only Hesson quibbles. (Rutherford only tours, not plays, so perhaps he mixes the best drinks). Nicholls may be added to that list soon though if he doesn't show something.

If his body is as wrecked as some make out yet you're forced to play him because of just two other injuries the depth must be pretty horrendous.

 

[ANTiLAG]

If his body is as wrecked as some make out yet you're forced to play him because of just two other injuries the depth must be pretty horrendous.

Our depth for ODI and T20 level is typically very good. But with Southee and McClenaghan out injured, the depth takes a hit. Southee is the only other swing bowler to Boult. McClenghan hits the deck. Henry is back of a length, but has been bowling slightly fuller this season. Milne is back of a length but with wheels. So Matt Henry is not in the WCT20 squad and he is ranked #7 in the world for ODI.

At test, there is depth with Doug B and Wagner, but they're so far beneath Tim and Trent it is not funny. Doug B has not found swing in a long time despite bowling a really good length this summer. Wagner hits the deck at mid 130's and bowls all day on lifeless pitches.

The biggest problem for NZ with Mitch and Tim out, is that they are our specialist death bowlers. Henry and Boult are not death bowlers. Boult's been doing that job this summer (that is how he has gotten wickets - they're not true bowler wickets like he used to get with swing and pace).

 

[JJ]

If his body is as wrecked as some make out yet you're forced to play him because of just two other injuries the depth must be pretty horrendous.

No shit Sherlock

 

[redvscotty]

I'd count Darsh in for Khwaja as a massive loss for Australia.

I don't know who will win, because I don't watch NZ games. Their so called 'nice guy' approach makes me sick.

Pack up ya jandals, chilly bins and suBARu's and f**k off!

 

[ANTiLAG]

No shit Sherlock

Milne
Boult
Southee
Henry
McClenghan

Play 3 - 2 on the bench.

That is healthy enough depth.

Maybe not by Safrican or Australian standards, but would have every other country beat hands down.

 

[chigurh]

Now I'm confused - is it horrendous or typically very good? :?