2008 Crowd Watch - Final Totals in Post #3778

[Babyface O'reilly]

Are you serious? Liverpool doesn't even have a team and yet is solid rugby league with soccer a close second. AFL is not even on the radar.

But that's the problem. If a western Sydney AFL team comes along then Liverpool will have a team to call their own in a high profile comp thus get behind it. Not saying this will happen but it just might. I would never underestimate the AFL threat. They have more money and a friendlier media machine for starters.

 

[Timmah]

Round 17:

Fri: Gold Coast Titans v Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles @ Skilled Park - 25 000
Sat: Newcastle Knights v St. George-Illawarra Dragons @ EnergyAustralia Stadium - 20 000
Sun: Melbourne Storm v Canberra Raiders @ Olympic Park - 12 500
Sun: Parramatta Eels v Penrith Panthers @ Parramatta Stadium - 16 000
Mon: Bulldogs v South Sydney Rabbitohs @ ANZ Stadium - 15 000

The last 2 games could get a lot more, but I have my doubts at this stage.

You're kidding yourself on three fronts there.

- Newcastle v Saints has already pre-sold 13k, and is set to sell plenty more, I'd go about 23-24k. It's the only footy on that night.
- Parramatta don't care about their team anymore. They'll be lucky to crack 12 or 13... if it's anymore it'll be because the M4 is packed with Penrith fans.
- :lol: Do I even need to approach the ridiculous Monday Night footy prediction? If we couldn't get more than 10,000 against Cronulla what makes anyone think we can do it against Souths? Only if a rejuvenated Souths support base makes a stand are we any chance of a decent crowd on monday.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

But that's the problem. If a western Sydney AFL team comes along then Liverpool will have a team to call their own in a high profile comp thus get behind it. Not saying this will happen but it just might. I would never underestimate the AFL threat. They have more money and a friendlier media machine for starters.

Why would anyone from Liverpool support a WS AFL franchise when they have a successful local club (the Bulldogs) to call their own?


Remember the VFL had a team in QLD before the NSWRL did, Queenslanders didn't switch to watching AFL, instead the team failed to gain support and ended up getting merged with another team and relocated aswell.

 

[Timmah]

Please tell me I'm seeing things, did you just call the Bulldogs successful? :crazy: :lol:

 

[Timmah]

Some home average stats for the crowd nerds...

HOME AVERAGE 2008 up to Round 16
Brisbane 32,812
Gold Coast 23,054
Newcastle 19,020
North Queensland 18,497
Bulldogs 15,971
Wests Tigers 15,690
Parramatta 15,363
Souths 15,087
Cronulla 13,218
Melbourne 13,146
Manly 13,037
Sydney Roosters 12,782
Canberra 12,388
St George Illawarra 12,346
Penrith 11,993
New Zealand 11,745

GROUND AVERAGES 2008 up to Round 16
Figures do not include rep match crowds
Suncorp 6 games - 32,812
Skilled 8 games - 23,054
Telstra Dome 1 game - 20,084
SCG. 1 game - 19,122
EnergyAustralia 7 games - 19,020
Dairy Farmers 8 games - 18,497
Leichhardt 2 games - 16,260
ANZ 21 games - 16,006
Parramatta 6 games - 13,588
Brookvale 6 games - 13,526
SFS 7 games - 13,359
Toyota Stadium 6 games - 13,218
Canberra 7 games - 12,388
CUA Penrith 7 games - 11,993
Olympic Park 6 games - 11,990
Mt Smart 7 games - 11,745
Bluetongue 4 games - 11,520
Wollongong 3 games - 11,197
Campbelltown 2 games - 11,193

Credit to Paul from stats.rleague.com for the figures.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Please tell me I'm seeing things, did you just call the Bulldogs successful? :crazy: :lol:

Successful /= The Bulldogs ladder position in the 2008 season.

 

[Timmah]

Fair enough. I guess we're the least likely team to fold in the near future...

 

[LRC]

Some home average stats for the crowd nerds...

HOME AVERAGE 2008 up to Round 16
Brisbane 32,812
Gold Coast 23,054
Newcastle 19,020
North Queensland 18,497
Bulldogs 15,971
Wests Tigers 15,690
Parramatta 15,363
Souths 15,087
Cronulla 13,218
Melbourne 13,146
Manly 13,037
Sydney Roosters 12,782
Canberra 12,388
St George Illawarra 12,346
Penrith 11,993
New Zealand 11,745


Its amazing that when you have one 30000 crowd it boost your average by so much.As does having areal low crowd figure lowers your average.

If the Bulldogs roosters game attarcted the same crowd as it did at the SFS then the Bulldogs average would be less than 12000.
Same with Souths..if you take the roosters game out of it, then they would be around the 12K mark also.

If those 2 games were roosters home games in the early rounds then the roosters avarge would be around 18K or more.

Averages don't tell the complete story...you must use the mean average to get a true picture. Take away the lowest crowds and the highest crowds.(school maths...too long ago)

 

[Timmah]

Some home average stats for the crowd nerds...

HOME AVERAGE 2008 up to Round 16
Brisbane 32,812
Gold Coast 23,054
Newcastle 19,020
North Queensland 18,497
Bulldogs 15,971
Wests Tigers 15,690
Parramatta 15,363
Souths 15,087
Cronulla 13,218
Melbourne 13,146
Manly 13,037
Sydney Roosters 12,782
Canberra 12,388
St George Illawarra 12,346
Penrith 11,993
New Zealand 11,745

Its amazing that when you have one 30000 crowd it boost your average by so much. As does having areal low crowd figure lowers your average.

If the Bulldogs roosters game attarcted the same crowd as it did at the SFS then the Bulldogs average would be less than 12000.
Same with Souths..if you take the roosters game out of it, then they would be around the 12K mark also.

If those 2 games were roosters home games in the early rounds then the roosters avarge would be around 18K or more.

Averages don't tell the complete story...you must use the mean average to get a true picture. Take away the lowest crowds and the highest crowds.(school maths...too long ago)

Check the words in bold. You're making a bunch of baseless assumptions using "what if". There is no "what if" - fans must accept the fact that "blockbusters" make it into the averages EVERY season and generally they provide a decent enough reading. Taking out the highest and lowest crowds is stupid and gives no accurate picture whatsoever.

 

[LRC]

You're a bit harsh on me there Timmah.

The reality is that if you look at crowd averages the chances are you will go to a game and there wont be 17000 people or 7000 people there will probaqbly be 9000 to 12000.

That is a true indication of crowds.

It is called the mean average... do you remember this from school.
It is what most stats in society are based on.

I really don't give a rats either way.

 

[Timmah]

You're a bit harsh on me there Timmah.

The reality is that if you look at crowd averages the chances are you will go to a game and there wont be 17000 people or 7000 people there will probaqbly be 9000 to 12000.

That is a true indication of crowds.

It is called the mean average... do you remember this from school.
It is what most stats in society are based on.

I really don't give a rats either way.

I don't think you've applied the maths correctly to be honest. What use are crowd stats if they don't use all figures supplied?

 

[t-ba]

I don't think you've applied the maths correctly to be honest. What use are crowd stats if they don't use all figures supplied?

It's done very commonly in a lot of fields, though it isn't called a 'mean' and it just isn't always confined to purely the highest and the lowest result. It's also an excellent way to deal with aberrations, as those two crowds have proven to be this year. You can almost guarantee that the bean counters at Souths and Canterbury are probably doing something similar in their annual projections, whilst everyone else would still be factoring it in for publicity purposes.

 

[LRC]

What use are any stats if you use figures inflated or deflated by one off occurrances.

Its like the NRL argument that we average X ammount of p[eople per week..thats crap...these figures are generally inflated by Brisbane/Newcastle/NQ and GC.
The truth is Sydney avarages are alot less than the so called average.

Its also like the inflation argument with underlying infaltion etc..you can choose what figure you want but the reality is different and you must use the realities to manage your results.

As I said, in society you use stats based on a mean averages.

 

[LRC]

It's done very commonly in a lot of fields, though it isn't called a 'mean' and it just isn't always confined to purely the highest and the lowest result. It's also an excellent way to deal with aberrations, as those two crowds have proven to be this year. You can almost guarantee that the bean counters at Souths and Canterbury are probably doing something similar in their annual projections, whilst everyone else would still be factoring it in for publicity purposes.

Thats about it...I have been out of school/uni for along time.

 

[dallymessenger]

Some home average stats for the crowd nerds...

HOME AVERAGE 2008 up to Round 16
Brisbane 32,812
Gold Coast 23,054
Newcastle 19,020
North Queensland 18,497
Bulldogs 15,971
Wests Tigers 15,690
Parramatta 15,363
Souths 15,087
Cronulla 13,218
Melbourne 13,146
Manly 13,037
Sydney Roosters 12,782
Canberra 12,388
St George Illawarra 12,346
Penrith 11,993
New Zealand 11,745


Its amazing that when you have one 30000 crowd it boost your average by so much.As does having areal low crowd figure lowers your average.

If the Bulldogs roosters game attarcted the same crowd as it did at the SFS then the Bulldogs average would be less than 12000.
Same with Souths..if you take the roosters game out of it, then they would be around the 12K mark also.

If those 2 games were roosters home games in the early rounds then the roosters avarge would be around 18K or more.

Averages don't tell the complete story...you must use the mean average to get a true picture. Take away the lowest crowds and the highest crowds.(school maths...too long ago)

roosters fan?

roosters had the advantage of the souths game as their home game for a few years so it evens out.

and the only reason the dogs / roosters game got so many was the roosters signed almost 1/3rd of the dogs starting squad.

 

[Timmah]

What use are any stats if you use figures inflated or deflated by one off occurrances.

Its like the NRL argument that we average X ammount of p[eople per week..thats crap...these figures are generally inflated by Brisbane/Newcastle/NQ and GC.
The truth is Sydney avarages are alot less than the so called average.

Its also like the inflation argument with underlying infaltion etc..you can choose what figure you want but the reality is different and you must use the realities to manage your results.

As I said, in society you use stats based on a mean averages.

The truth becomes apparent through the home crowd averages for the teams with suburban grounds to be perfectly honest, because most don't have stadiums that can hold more than 20k.

The biggest problem in subtracting these so-called "abherrations" that are in fact early season blockbusters and discarding them as "one-off", comes with the fact that the NRL schedules these same matches and most are annual events. Same game every year drawing massive crowds. That can only be good for the game.

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

2 weeks should be a bumper crowd against manly.

as long as the weather is good.

 

[Raider_69]

poor buggers.

i was one of em. FFS it was freezing. ridiculous.

as was i... terrible conditions
a good crowd considering those conditions

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

as was i... terrible conditions
a good crowd considering those conditions

did ya buy a red nose R69?

 

[camsmith]

Round 17:

Fri: Gold Coast Titans v Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles @ Skilled Park - 25 000
Sat: Newcastle Knights v St. George-Illawarra Dragons @ EnergyAustralia Stadium - 20 000
Sun: Melbourne Storm v Canberra Raiders @ Olympic Park - 12 500
Sun: Parramatta Eels v Penrith Panthers @ Parramatta Stadium - 16 000
Mon: Bulldogs v South Sydney Rabbitohs @ ANZ Stadium - 15 000

The last 2 games could get a lot more, but I have my doubts at this stage.

It is a sunday game which is great (more Sunday arvo games thanks!) but we dont usually get high crowds to games vs Canberra for some reason.

If we keep our record of 10,000+ people there we'll be doing good.

Saying that, there isn't any AFL on Sunday so your prediction could be about right. I just wish we were playing a "bigger" club like the Broncos or Bulldogs to make the most of not having AFL on that day.