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2008 Crowd Watch - Final Totals in Post #3778

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Timmah

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I agree... but it doesn't bode well for the financial position of clubs such as Manly, Tigers (Leichh/Cambo) and Saints among others who usually run match-days near or at a loss. It's easy to do at ANZ because every club turns a profit from every match.
 

BrisVegas

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so its done at ANZ aye..


do the same for every venue around the country!

Won't happen at the QLD venues, the QLD government is attempting to break even/make money on their MSFA managed stadia, and the QLD clubs derive far to high a % of their income through attendance. It would be like the Sydney clubs letting the punters play the pokies for free. The Sharks would likely be opposed as they own their ground.

A poster above mentioned when was the last time you saw advertising on a FTA station for an NRL game. There are FTA ads in Brisbane during the leadup to all Broncos games. At the beginning of the year they also had ads pushing their membership drive. One of the reasons the Bulldogs V Cowboys game was such a failure may have been the absence of TV advertising.
 
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It wouldn't make a great deal of difference if they were $3 or 3 times that the AFL would still get crowds. The fact is that a much higher percentage of people down here just love watching their team play live at the ground as opposed to watching them on tv. It's the way it's always been and always will be.

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yes mate, the $3 price is irrelevant.

the AFL charge less cause they dont want the money.

its not as if many clubs in melbourne are almost broke or something
 

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its not as if many clubs in melbourne are almost broke or something

Actually most clubs in the AFL run at a profit (Sydney and Bribane don't) but the others do usually. Collingwood will report a loss this season, but that is due to purchasing a hotel that didn't work out. Even so they are only going to be $1 million in the red.
 

NK Arsenal

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Actually most clubs in the AFL run at a profit (Sydney and Bribane don't) but the others do usually. Collingwood will report a loss this season, but that is due to purchasing a hotel that didn't work out. Even so they are only going to be $1 million in the red.
what about the Melbourne Ds?

their chairman said they were in a $4.5m debt earlier this season
 

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They got 13,065 at Parramatta when a derby game between 2 western Sydney teams should have got 16,000+.

In fact, crowds for Monday night games have been poor generally. I think the problem is that the 7pm kick-off is too early. Footy fans would be stuck in peak hour traffic and crowded Sydney transport in peak hour and would have no chance of getting to the game by 7pm.

If the kick-off was 7:30 pm as it is on Friday nights then it would add 2-3,000 to the attendance of most games. I reckon the game last night would have got 16,000 if kick-off was at 7:30 pm.

Bluebags1908
 

Digga Hole

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couple more too.

there are loads of melbourne clubs whose finances are shyte.

A football club (as opposed to a privately owned franchise), as a non-for-profit CLUB has the primary purpose of winning football games and premierships.

They will, and should within reason should spend every cent they can get their hands on trying to win games of football. Ideally this would leave all clubs with a very small profit.

In reality Clubs revenue rises and falls in line with form (due to memberships, ticket sales, merch, sponsorships with performance clauses etc). What this leads to is clubs may make profits for a few years then losses for a few years then profits again as form fluctuates. A few clubs making losses in any one year, despite the fact that the newspapers love to write stories about it, actually is no big deal (a majority of clubs making losses in one year would be a problem, but is not the situation).

The Melbourne Demons are currently in this downward trend. The $4.5 million debt number is about right, however $2m was raised at a dinner earlier this month to reduce this.

The further complexity for Clubs like Melbourne, North (my team) and the Bulldogs is that there will always be big clubs and small clubs. Unfortunately at times the smaller clubs push this financial balance a little too far trying to keep up with the spending on coaches, sports medicine etc that the big clubs can afford. This can become dangerous.

The inequality in fan support that delivers the financial inequality, built up over 100+ years of history, will always exist and it is in the AFLs best interest for it to remain so. The AFL will always keep raising the bar on costs as it allows them to pressure the clubs on the edge to do their bidding.

The AFL want games on the GC, wave a cheque at North (thankfully we resisted the relocation), games in Canberra or Darwin, well call the Bulldogs. Even a club like Hawthorn has secured its future by giving the AFL 4 games in Tassie. Maybe the AFL needs to fulfill a contract to supply games to the Telstra Dome, send North and the Bulldogs, and if this means they clubs get bad match day returns then give them a little extra as long as the AFL gets to decide how a club gets to spend it.

One, two or even more Melbourne clubs may end up gone in the future (or none hopefully), but that will ultimately be the AFLs decision as they control much of the games revenue. The game can afford to keep them if it chooses, no one is sure what choice will be made at the moment, the communication from Vlad changes every second year.

Clubs will make losses some years, and certain clubs will be on the breadline, its not really a huge deal, but the challenge for Melbourne clubs (non-Melbourne clus will always be supported by the AFL) is to stay out of the bottom two in the Victorian profitability ladder in the fear that one day the AFL will say goodbye. The positive thing for the AFL is that they have the choice.
 
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how does any of that disprove what i said, in that some melbourne clubs are struggling financially.

and noone can guarantee they will all survive.

the AFLs position in melbourne is very similar to RL position in sydney yet our idiot CEO says our clubs are struggling when AFL wont admit that quite a few AFL clubs are struggling too.
 

NK Arsenal

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how does any of that disprove what i said, in that some melbourne clubs are struggling financially.

and noone can guarantee they will all survive.

the AFLs position in melbourne is very similar to RL position in sydney yet our idiot CEO says our clubs are struggling when AFL wont admit that quite a few AFL clubs are struggling too.

i agree with what you said

but its not gallops job to care about how afl is going though

his job is to lead our game and give it some kind of success, which he has done in the last few years with the addition of the GC and U20s*. they were good but there is more to be done especially with crowds, memberships etc to get us on par with afl







*dont wanna sound like gallop, but lets face it that were/are a success
 

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You're in disneyland if you think Gallop has done a good job as a leader. For starters where is our plan for the future? When are we going to be independent? Why is RL not being shown on FTA at a decent hour in the minor states so as to build it? How are we going to get more money from the TV deals? Why is everyone else expanding yet we have the breaks on?
 

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I dislike gallop as much as the next bloke.

He was not left alot tho, after stupour league, whittiker and moffo

still should do better than he does.
 

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He was part of the idiots thatdestroyed the fabric of our game, he was the lawyer who encouraged/schemed the breaking of numerous contracts.

The man is a puppet.
 

big boppa eel

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Wests v Manly @ ANZ on Saturday 5:30pm followed by Bulldogs v Parra @ 7:30pm.

Even though it's an away game Parra Season ticket holders get in free, and a double header for the price on none (plus the teams good form) should get a few blue and gold fans there that outherwise would have just watched on Fox.
Ill be there. :)
 

big boppa eel

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They got 13,065 at Parramatta when a derby game between 2 western Sydney teams should have got 16,000+.

In fact, crowds for Monday night games have been poor generally. I think the problem is that the 7pm kick-off is too early. Footy fans would be stuck in peak hour traffic and crowded Sydney transport in peak hour and would have no chance of getting to the game by 7pm.

If the kick-off was 7:30 pm as it is on Friday nights then it would add 2-3,000 to the attendance of most games. I reckon the game last night would have got 16,000 if kick-off was at 7:30 pm.

Bluebags1908
Monday night games should be scrapped being a school night and just over 13000 in that sh*t weather is not a great crowd but decent considering, if it was played on a Sunday afternoon you could probably add another 5 to 7 thousand.
 

NK Arsenal

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You're in disneyland if you think Gallop has done a good job as a leader. For starters where is our plan for the future? When are we going to be independent? Why is RL not being shown on FTA at a decent hour in the minor states so as to build it? How are we going to get more money from the TV deals? Why is everyone else expanding yet we have the breaks on?

I didn't say he has done a good job. He is a nuffie but has done some ok stuff.
 

Digga Hole

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how does any of that disprove what i said, in that some melbourne clubs are struggling financially.

and noone can guarantee they will all survive.

the AFLs position in melbourne is very similar to RL position in sydney yet our idiot CEO says our clubs are struggling when AFL wont admit that quite a few AFL clubs are struggling too.

Much of it, especially the cyclical nature of profits is exactly the same for the NRL (will more than a couple make losses this year tho?). The difference between the two is that the AFL has the money to save clubs if that is what they choose to do. They can just as easily kill them if they choose that too, but they have the choice. The NRL does not appear to have that luxury.
 
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lockyno1

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what about the Melbourne Ds?

their chairman said they were in a $4.5m debt earlier this season

Will report a balanced out year, they just got 5 million at a "Demonlition" sponsored party from its members. The Kangaroos (North Melb) who were in the red last year will report a 2million profit.
 
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