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2015 ODI WORLD CUP discussion thread

shiznit

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Forecast for Saturday....

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Boult and Southee are going to be licking there lips... Especially if they win the toss and bowl first.
 
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and how good would the games involving Scotland, Ireland, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe be if you had the likes Kerry O keefe livening things up a bit?

This, this, THIS! x 100. I miss Kerry. Him and Harsha Bhogle always made a good commentary pair every time India toured Australia. One of MANY classic moments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmwRCMCd2b8

Missed opportunity for ESPN/Star Sports. I know Kerry hasn't done tv commentary for at least a decade time since the days when Ch9 broadcasted the ING Cup on Saturdays and Sundays, but still...he would've made group matches such as Afghanistan vs Scotland and Ireland vs UAE interesting viewing.

Also, Bill Lawry...I know he has significantly cut down his commentary duties over the past two summers, only calling the Boxing Day test at the MCG. The MCG only hosts 5 games in the World Cup, it couldn't have been that hard to allow Bill just to call those 5 games (just like 5 days of the Boxing Day test). Given he is one of the most respected voices in cricket broadcasting, his addition would've added a real edge to the telecast of this World Cup.

Agree 100% on your last paragraph undertaker (actually agree with most other things you say as well)

I guess money to be made from pay tv is probably a big reason from the circa 1992 of live free to air coverages.

They really should have looked at (the very least) a nightly 2 hour show to catch the last 20-25 overs of a game played that day. during the coverage they could show highlights of what happened during the day. 8.30pm - 10.30pm? on GEM, would also have time to chat about the game ahead the following day.

I should have access to Foxtel so ill be ok, but agree a WORLD CUP in our backyard deserves better free to air coverage than just Australian games

I understand that the television landscape has changed a hell of a lot since the last World Cup. As you said, no PayTV in Australia back in 1992 (there was in New Zealand, but cricket still remained on FTA until the late '90s). And yes, I also understand it's a big bonus for those with Foxtel to have access to all World Cup matches in HD. However, Ch9 only broadcasting matches involving Australia - and it being our first home World Cup for 23 years - would've never, ever happened if good old KP was still alive. He would've never allowed that to happen, and he would be spinning in his grave to see just how far things have deteriorated at Ch9 over the past decade.

It was in 2007/08 that all of a sudden, after nearly 3 decades of televising neutral matches every summer (even in 79/80, 96/97 and 2001/02 when Australia didn't make the finals of the tri-series), Ch9 saw no merit in televising matches that didn't involve Australia. I remember Fox Sports had to pick up the crumbs and televise India vs Sri Lanka in Canberra at the last minute because Ch9 didn't want to touch it with a 50ft pole, and it was this decision from Ch9 that led to the cancellation of the tri-series ODI tournament format and instead, was exchanged with these meaningless 5-7 ODI bilateral series which we've had since 2008/09 (with the exception of 2011/12 and this summer, when India toured Australia. However, next summer will return back to a bilateral series). It is a common myth perpetuated by Ch9 that fans have pretty much no interest in matches where Australia isn't playing. They may not have got sell-outs at the major test venues, but they were still well attended (even the 96/97 and 2001/02 finals matches at the SCG both got over 30k, more than what ODIs involving Australia at the SCG have got over the past 5 years), and would be very well attended if those neutral matches were taken outside of the city to regional areas.

And I agree with you about how ridiculous it is there is no extensive coverage from Ch9. It seems like they just are showing their matches and that's it. No highlights package, or any other analysis/cricket related shows on GEM. During the 2003 RUWC in Australia, Ch7 had a late night Rugby show hosted by Roy and HG. Even if Ch9 didn't want a serious analytical show, something with a low budget to produce a show like Roy and HG's - light-hearted, yet at the same time promoting the sport - is something Ch9 could've easily done (there are plenty of other members on this forum who could come up with some great ideas for a World Cup cricket show that would leave the employees in Ch9's (sports) programming department for dead)
 
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Cozier is definately one of the best all time. He used to be a regular on Ch 9 during the 80s and early 90s, even if the Windies werent playing.

Yup, they sometimes play those games from the 80s, and Coziers voice just stands out.

Makes me so sad in 10-15 years when they play games from this era we are gonna hear the likes of Brayshaw ejaculating over himself
 

Mr Angry

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Anyone watching fox?

2003 WC final.

Gilly and Haydos going off. Ganguly sweating bullets...
 

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Yeah the commentary back in the early days of Ch 9 when World Series cricket started, was great.

Just watching some old videos of WSC. Richie led from the front, Bill Lawry was a newcomer but sounded like hed been doing it for a while, Keith Stackpole added some nice comments, Cozier was great, and there was a Pommy commentator as well, mightve been Frank Tyson.

Then Greig, Chappelli even Max Walker came in. There was a bit of humor when Billy and Tony paired off, but there was no BS, no silly jokes and no flogging other sports like today's commentators do and they didnt wank on about the other programs on Ch 9.

Its just not the same without Richie, Bill and Tony.

Even the 12th man today would think the commentary just aint the same cause none of them, (maybe Taylor and Nicholas) arent good to make fun of or impersonate.
 

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Anyone watching fox?

2003 WC final.

Gilly and Haydos going off. Ganguly sweating bullets...

I remember working in a call centre with some Indians (work was in Sydney btw), they were giving it to me hardcore before the final. Indias destiny lol

Ponting brilliant ton that game, when Tendulkar got out to pigeon I nthe first over, it shut them up quite a bit :D
 

Mr Angry

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I reckon Billy would be fine....

Could start with the Pom, frappring over the queen, and KP.

Tubby being sensitive about his weight, and people giving shyte about Fujitsu air.

Slats being an absolute schizoid, randomly telling others they ain't Richie, Bill or Tony.

Who knows what the genius would do with Healy.

Deadset, A 2015 set of Asian World Cup soccer

Then The Cricket World Cup.

Would buy. Would help write, as a junior to the man.
 

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Speaking of the 92 World Cup highlights on Sky, loving that English commentator with the old school "proper" vocal delivery. Some classic lines such as calling for everyone to charge their glasses for a particularly lovely stroke.

You mean the commentator that sounds like Stewie Griffin from Family Guy?:lol: That is Henry Blofeld. He's of a similar mould to David "Bumble" Lloyd, both very good commentators and would be ppl that'd be great to hang around. Here's some of Blofeld's best work in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06NeWTZR088 (from 0:19)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coWZL387udc :lol:

Cozier is definately one of the best all time. He used to be a regular on Ch 9 during the 80s and early 90s, even if the Windies werent playing.

From watching highlights of old matches, 1991/92 was the last summer Cozier was commentating for Ch9. Michael Holding replaced Cozier at Ch9 during the following summers when the West Indies toured Australia during 1992/93 - 2005/06 (the exception being 1995/96, when Ch9 used Colin Croft instead). Cozier is fantastic for someone who never played at any high level. In that regard, he is much better than Mark Nickelarse.

Anyone watching fox?

2003 WC final.

Gilly and Haydos going off. Ganguly sweating bullets...

One of my favourite finals. Sweetest moments were Zaheer Khan's disasterous first over, Punter's blinder of an innings, and seeing Tendulkar caught in the 1st over. Game, set, and match right there:lol:
 

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Yup, they sometimes play those games from the 80s, and Coziers voice just stands out.

Makes me so sad in 10-15 years when they play games from this era we are gonna hear the likes of Brayshaw ejaculating over himself

Yeah the commentary back in the early days of Ch 9 when World Series cricket started, was great.

Just watching some old videos of WSC. Richie led from the front, Bill Lawry was a newcomer but sounded like hed been doing it for a while, Keith Stackpole added some nice comments, Cozier was great, and there was a Pommy commentator as well, mightve been Frank Tyson.

Then Greig, Chappelli even Max Walker came in. There was a bit of humor when Billy and Tony paired off, but there was no BS, no silly jokes and no flogging other sports like today's commentators do and they didnt wank on about the other programs on Ch 9

Yeah, I made a similar comment about that during the test series thread. People who grew up watching cricket in the '90s (like myself) really take for granted what we listened to compared to the young people of today who have to listen to the likes of Brayshaw/Warne/Fleming etc.

Its just not the same without Richie, Bill and Tony.

IMO, the decline slowly started in 2006/07 when Ch9 expanded from 2 commentators/30 min session to 3, got rid of the overseas guest commentator (which was thankfully reintroduced during the Ashes last summer) and started the regular spruiking of Ch9's tv shows (which other networks, like Ch7 during the Australian Open tennis and Ch10 during the BBL, are also doing). The quality of the analysis during the commentary stints declined as with the expansion to 3 commentators per session, it became more about making sure each person had their fair share of microphone time during their commentary stint.

However, the standard of commentary has completely nosedived since the 2011/12 summer. Greigy got cancer the following summer and died just days before his scheduled comeback for the SCG test, rumours of Lawry's health and maybe retiring surfaced during that SCG test (which, thankfully he didn't, but now only calls the Boxing Day test), and Richie's health keeping him out of the box for the past 2 summers. Simple, just go to YouTube and listen to highlights from that 2011/12 season and compare them with the test/ODI series that's just finished and you'll see the difference. The newer crop of Brayshaw, Warne et al. just haven't delivered the goods since being given a larger role in the absence of Benaud/Greig/Lawry. In fact, it's funny listening to Warney 11yrs ago. Sounded completely different, unconfident in his delivery alongside Tubby, and no stupid discussions about who ordered the best pizza at a restaurant the night before (remember that talk):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rniMvgBv6Qc

Great win. And they said we couldnt win it without Shane Warne. :D

After 6yrs in international cricketing exile, the Aussies brought back Brad Hogg at the right time during the tri-series, just before the World Cup. Still remember that killer flipper he bowled to Andy Flower. One of the best flippers (not bowled by Shane Warne) I've seen.

That just goes to show the level of depth Australia had in the lower levels during that golden era of 1994-2004. When Warne was out, we had MacGill (tests) and Hogg (ODIs) that slotted in. And you are aware of all those other cricketers in Sheffield Shield that were scoring thousands of runs and had to either wait years to get a chance at international level (e.g. Hussey, Gilchrist) or were constantly in and out of the Aussie team and never able to cement their position (e.g. Lehmann, Blewett, Elliott, Law, Bevan), or debuted in the early/mid '90s but weren't able to cement their position until the 2000s (e.g. Ponting, Martyn, Hayden, Langer)
 
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Glad you brought up Hoggy's flipper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DETWjxTuSyI

Interesting that his good form in the WC earned him a test recall for the Windies tour but didnt have the same impact as expected.

In that Zimbabwe match, there were questions as to whether we were gonna forfeit the game due to safety concerns, as England did in the match before. But good thing we played the match and kept our winning record intact. Thats when Zimbabwe were really competitive, 1999 and 2003, both made the super 6's. But unfortunately for them 2003 was the last we saw Andy Flower. It'll be interesting to see how they go in this world cup.

You mention the 3 commentators since 06/07, I think it works for T20, but not for the longer form. Not sure if they'll use the 2 or 3 commentators for the World Cup.
 

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Glad you brought up Hoggy's flipper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DETWjxTuSyI

Interesting that his good form in the WC earned him a test recall for the Windies tour but didnt have the same impact as expected.

In that Zimbabwe match, there were questions as to whether we were gonna forfeit the game due to safety concerns, as England did in the match before. But good thing we played the match and kept our winning record intact. Thats when Zimbabwe were really competitive, 1999 and 2003, both made the super 6's. But unfortunately for them 2003 was the last we saw Andy Flower. It'll be interesting to see how they go in this world cup.

You mention the 3 commentators since 06/07, I think it works for T20, but not for the longer form. Not sure if they'll use the 2 or 3 commentators for the World Cup.

Interesting point about that Windies tour. Traditionally, our XI has normally comprised of 7 batsmen and 4 frontline bowlers. During that 2003 WI tour, we played 5 frontline bowlers in all 4 tests (5 from Hogg, MacGill, Bichel, Gillespie, Lee and McGrath). That goes to show how much confidence we had in our top 6 batsmen to do that. We also did it in the test series vs Bangladesh in 2006 and the last time we did it was in the 2013 SCG test vs Sri Lanka (with Johnson batting at 7). I don't know if we will see it again anytime soon.

And such a shame Zimbabwe's cricket team was decimated by the Mugabe regime just as things were starting to look bright for them. Two consecutive Super 6 appearances. They had several good players back then that would definitely give opposition bowling attacks today a run for their money, such as Andy Flower (test average over 50 during an era when bowling attacks around the world were better and pitches weren't flat tracks). We will never really know just how much more progress they could've made without all the political rubbish behind the scenes. First memory of the Zimbots was watching news highlights of the Poms first tour there, and the first test was drawn with Nick Knight run-out off the last ball of the test on tied scores. Then the mighty Zimbots creamed them 3-0 in the ODIs. Probably their most memorable victory is considered to be the upset of the '92 World Cup, when they beat England in Albury (too bad there's no tv footage of that match)
 

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You mean the commentator that sounds like Stewie Griffin from Family Guy?:lol: That is Henry Blofeld. He's of a similar mould to David "Bumble" Lloyd, both very good commentators and would be ppl that'd be great to hang around. Here's some of Blofeld's best work in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06NeWTZR088 (from 0:19)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coWZL387udc :lol:

:lol: ghastly hotel

"I had the watch on my wrist" :lol:

"Im a modest chap by nature" (hiding his private bits) :lol:



Ahh yes "Blowers", bloody brilliant commentator as well.

Will we look back upon any of the current crop in the future as see them as brilliant commentators? It seems highly unlikely.
 

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hahahaha

David Boon's 1987 mullet........just awesome.

30,000 pounds Australia won.

Stephen Roger Waugh.....2/38.

Bruce Reid could catch.
 

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For anyone who has not seen the greatest left armer there has ever been..

Go to fox 3 in the next 5 mins.

It is a joy to watch.
 

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:lol: ghastly hotel

"I had the watch on my wrist" :lol:

"Im a modest chap by nature" (hiding his private bits) :lol:



Ahh yes "Blowers", bloody brilliant commentator as well.

Will we look back upon any of the current crop in the future as see them as brilliant commentators? It seems highly unlikely.

Yes, I was cracking up laughing listening to that story:lol: Still remember Blofeld's radio commentary for ABC radio (who streamed the BBC's Test Match Special feed) during the 2005 Ashes. Him and Geoff Boycott together was absolute gold

Some more classic match commentary involving Blofeld. Here he gets excited seeing Warney hammered by Vinod Kambli:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf6ppGg7WPU
 

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why the f**k is that kiwi shouting and yelling throughout this thing !!!!!

they are going through individual nations music or song, the yelling is bloody ruining it
 

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