2016 Crowd Watch

[Perth Red]

It wouldn't be so bad if more money = more growth of the sport but it seems at the moment that isn't the case. Despite more than doubling revenue in space of a few years it is hard to say the sport is twice as big or twice as strong as it was a decade ago.

 

[Raiderdave]

It wouldn't be so bad if more money = more growth of the sport but it seems at the moment that isn't the case. Despite more than doubling revenue in space of a few years it is hard to say the sport is twice as big or twice as strong as it was a decade ago.

The AFL has tripled it's media revenues in the same period
Crowds have dropped from 37K to 32K
The quality of the comp is at an all time low

Hardly a stronger sport I'd of thought.

 

[Timmah]

It has in certain areas - membership is up by several hundred percent over the last ten years isn't it?

 

[Raiderdave]

It has in certain areas - membership is up by several hundred percent over the last ten years isn't it?

But according to ECT ... members don't mean squat.. Lol
Wot a tool ...

 

[Perth Red]

It has in certain areas - membership is up by several hundred percent over the last ten years isn't it?

tbf we were starting from a very low base point! % increases look very good when you are starting from virtually nothing but we should celebrate the success in this area. It has certainly been a big improvement.

If you look at key indicators, and please feel free to add in more, how many would you say we are significantly stronger in compared to say 2006 and does it reflect the massive revenue increase and advantage of independent ownership the game has had in recent years?

Junior numbers
Amateur players
Amateur clubs
School systems
NRL crowds
NRL memberships
NRL TV viewing
NRL club financial performance
International game
NRL player public profile
NRL player earnings
Ref standards
Game day experience
Stadium
National growth of RL

 

[Perth Red]

The AFL has tripled it's media revenues in the same period
Crowds have dropped from 37K to 32K
The quality of the comp is at an all time low

Hardly a stronger sport I'd of thought.

They're going through a national expansion program, it was bound to have some short term effects. Look at it club by club and the crowd growth in some clubs, the huge revenue growth in some clubs and the national profile as "Australia's Game" strategy they have. Hard not to say they aren't using their money to do something, even if we might scoff at it. Tell me does AFL get a sht load more media in NSW now compared to 15 years ago? That is rhetorical as I have seen the Sydney papers and news and the coverage they get compared to NRL in Vic, SA and WA.

 

[Perth Red]

Back on topic - finally got some adverts for the Manly game at the weekend during the origin coverage last night in WA. Crowd probably around 14k expected I'd guess looking at ticket sales. Might go higher as they have been selling a Kiwi double ticket including the October test match that might bring the Warriors/NZ fans out in force.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

If you possessed the capability to debate this without stupid vulgar insults in every post I'd keep going but you're better on an ignore list.

"Wah wah I'm ignoring you la la la la"

What a f**king cat.

I am debating the issue and showing how stupid it is saying a non-profit sporting body is a business that is all about making money. If you can't handle that you're probably best to not "keep going" and hide under mummy's apron or something.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

But according to ECT ... members don't mean squat.. Lol
Wot a tool ...

When it's the only thing the circle can come up with it's pretty pathetic.

And look at the impact on crowds memberships have had. What a joke. I suppose dogs and cats aren't allowed in stadiums so it's no wonder memberships haven't done anything for crowds. I mean, plenty of NRL games only have two men and a dog at them, but that's not literal.

I'll add another indicator to the list too:

Sponsorship

These brilliant corporate minds at that business the NRL, how many new sponsors have they attracted. Remember this was why we needed these sharp suits running the game, because they're geniuses in the business world. I'm glad the NRL is a business because I'd hate to see what a sporting body would have done with sponsorship..

 

[Perth Red]

Sponsorship has increased (though I suspect the betting money they now get has inflated the actual figure somewhat) but the big failure is continuing to bundle the Telstra naming rights in the media deal which effectively costs us $10million a year.

I am sure the KFC try review screen is worth a mint, hence why the game has been structured to show it at every opportunity lol.

 

[Bronxnation]

Back on topic - finally got some adverts for the Manly game at the weekend during the origin coverage last night in WA. Crowd probably around 14k expected I'd guess looking at ticket sales. Might go higher as they have been selling a Kiwi double ticket including the October test match that might bring the Warriors/NZ fans out in force.

In your personal opinion do you think the AUS vs NZ game will sell out? Surely? Right?

 

[Last Week]

f**k there are some dumb merkins on here. And they're all from the circle. Soggy saos must kill brain cells.

Who said they don't need money f**ktard?

But to say they are a business and their job is to make money is just utter shit. Did the old ARL that expanded the comp to 20 teams and saw senior player numbers reach an all-time high run the sport as a business with making money as the top priority? This "rugby league is a business" bullshit is a News Ltd mantra that a lot of deadshit sheep like to bleat but it's crap. The NRL is the governing body of rugby league in this country and therefore are actually a non-profit organisation. Their job is to run and grow the sport. It's clear the current crop of morons don't get that and their circle just follow. As usual.

You know the best way to do that? By making money.

 

[Warriors Fever]

Back on topic - finally got some adverts for the Manly game at the weekend during the origin coverage last night in WA. Crowd probably around 14k expected I'd guess looking at ticket sales. Might go higher as they have been selling a Kiwi double ticket including the October test match that might bring the Warriors/NZ fans out in force.

they sure as s**t will not be Manly supporters

 

[East Coast Tiger]

You know the best way to do that? By making money.

No. The best way to do that is to care about the sport at all levels and to act accordingly. That's why the old ARL did a better job with a fraction of the cash than this clusterf**k does with billions.

And that sums it up. The "business" is about money, a competent and effective sporting governing body is about the game.

 

[Raiderdave]

No. The best way to do that is to care about the sport at all levels and to act accordingly. That's why the old ARL did a better job with a fraction of the cash than this clusterf**k does with billions.

And that sums it up. The "business" is about money, a competent and effective sporting governing body is about the game.

Hahaha
Omg
Is there a more clueless twat on LU then you ?
You can be all about the game as much as you want.
You can't do a thing without money though.
Not an F'ing thing
Only a clueless deadshit wouldn't see this
And members
I present this clown for your entertainment lol

 

[Last Week]

No. The best way to do that is to care about the sport at all levels and to act accordingly. That's why the old ARL did a better job with a fraction of the cash than this clusterf**k does with billions.

And that sums it up. The "business" is about money, a competent and effective sporting governing body is about the game.

Wow. No insults. Minimum bitterness. You've finally learned how to have a discussion. Now if you can just back your points up with well thought out facts, and then learn to respect the other persons argument, you might actually have good discussions on here with people that are interested in the same.

 

[Last Week]

No. The best way to do that is to care about the sport at all levels and to act accordingly. That's why the old ARL did a better job with a fraction of the cash than this clusterf**k does with billions.

And that sums it up. The "business" is about money, a competent and effective sporting governing body is about the game.

And, just regarding what you've actually said. The boom in the 90's was done on the back of Quale and Arko. Now, while they were good, they nationalised the game in order to make clubs stronger. Which is good, how it should be done, don't get me wrong. But they were anomalies. They went against the trend of pretty much every RL admin in history and weren't puppeteered as much by the clubs.

But our current admin are heavily influenced by the clubs.

And as much as you hate him for God knows what reason, David Smith wasn't a puppet to the clubs. Despite the pressure coming down on him from the commission.

Something that would help wrestle some power away from the clubs in the commission would be for NRL clubs having no say in the running of the NSWRL.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Hahaha
Omg
Is there a more clueless twat on LU then you ?
You can be all about the game as much as you want.
You can't do a thing without money though.
Not an F'ing thing
Only a clueless deadshit wouldn't see this
And members
I present this clown for your entertainment lol

So how did the ARL expand the national comp to 20 teams, grow senior player numbers nationally to record highs and run massively successful mid-season Test series - all significant things the current "business" is incapable of doing - all with a tiny percentage of what the "business" has now?

Only the most geniused mouth breather would actually try to frame this argument as lots of money versus absolutely zero money. The game has always had money. It has never had so much as now. But it has spent its money, no matter how little, and achieved better outcomes at virtually any other point in history, especially on a per dollar basis.

And finally you don't present anything except every possible symptom for serious brain damage.

 

[Last Week]

And we're back to square one.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

And, just regarding what you've actually said. The boom in the 90's was done on the back of Quale and Arko. Now, while they were good, they nationalised the game in order to make clubs stronger. Which is good, how it should be done, don't get me wrong. But they were anomalies. They went against the trend of pretty much every RL admin in history and weren't puppeteered as much by the clubs.

But our current admin are heavily influenced by the clubs.

And as much as you hate him for God knows what reason, David Smith wasn't a puppet to the clubs. Despite the pressure coming down on him from the commission.

Something that would help wrestle some power away from the clubs in the commission would be for NRL clubs having no say in the running of the NSWRL.

I think you'll find the NSWRL was pretty much run by the clubs back then, as it is now.

But forget the early 90s. What about the admin that introduced Origin in 1980? What about the admins that did things like allow full tours during the season and run full tours at the end of seasons from 1908 till Super League? Those that brought teams from South Africa and the US over to play Australia? Even in the very early days you had things like Country Week. The World Sevens was another brilliant innovation in the early 90s. The ARL was still doing things like taking the Kangaroos to America as late as 2004.

Now the NRL has removed all Kangaroos games from the season to ensure international football is seen by fewer people than at any other time in the modern era. They've brought back the sevens concept and then ignored any international teams so it's literally just NRL, so same fans, same players. They've killed City/Country, the only chance bush footy has to gain any profile and is a huge event for host regions that only CRL people recognise. They've killed RL in Tasmania and just replaced it with touch because they couldn't be f**ked developing the real game there. These are just some examples of what this billion dollar "business" is doing with that record amount of money. Oh but they've got the bunker and heaps of club members who don't go to the games! Awesome growth.