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2017 Crowd Watch

adamkungl

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Roosters are aiming to beat their Adelaide crowd with the novel tactic of zero promotion for the match vs the premiers at Gosford.

Bold strategy, let's see if it pays off.
 

adamkungl

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Apart from the tv commercials???

If you say so. Haven't watched TV this week.

I'll rephrase - it's concerning to me that Roosters members haven't received so much as an email about the game yet. Since this home game isn't including in our season tickets, some information and members offers might be nice.
 

carcharias

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If you say so. Haven't watched TV this week.

I'll rephrase - it's concerning to me that Roosters members haven't received so much as an email about the game yet. Since this home game isn't including in our season tickets, some information and members offers might be nice.

I've seen it quite a few times now.
Strange because it's actually telling people to go to the game.
Not a watch it live and free type of add.
 

ATOWN2

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I'm predicting a crowd of 25k+ for the Eels and Bulldogs.

Edit- The Warriors game in Perth should also attract a crowd with a lot of Kiwi expats over there.
 

Perth Red

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Led up the garden path!!! Or expecting things to happen just because you say so more like it .
.Other issues happen to need urgent attention. Situations change .ask politicians re the economy.
Adelaide were flicked ,they should be bitching .

Try salary caps,RLPA negotiations,digital,negelected grassroots sale of clubs ,new stadiums .But no ,it must be Perth ,first second and third,everything else can wait.

TBH Brisbane 2 needs inclusion before any other area.

If Gallop was dopey enough ATT to make expansion suggestions,when he negotiated crap Tv deals, then thank Betsy he's gone. Who was in charge 8 years ago FFS?
If you've got issues sorted out and have the money available ,expand by all means.
But don't do the 'A fool and his money is easily parted."

Plenty of indicators and maybes put out by Gallop, Smith and Grant over those 8 years to make us, CC, Brisbane etc believe that expansion was a real possibility. At least now we know it isn't and the fans can decide how much time and money they want to invest in the game accordingly. For me that is far less with no prospect of a home town NRL club to follow. I' d suggest I'm not alone looking at the drop off in interest both in Perth and Gosford.
 

taipan

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Plenty of indicators and maybes put out by Gallop, Smith and Grant over those 8 years to make us, CC, Brisbane etc believe that expansion was a real possibility. At least now we know it isn't and the fans can decide how much time and money they want to invest in the game accordingly. For me that is far less with no prospect of a home town NRL club to follow. I' d suggest I'm not alone looking at the drop off in interest both in Perth and Gosford.

Indicators!!!!
Computer modelling?

There is one person , repeat one person who can shoulder much of the blame.That is Gallop ,from poor Tv deals, to hints of expansion.He was in the hot seat for a long time for a CEO.Smith was in for a very short space of time.Grant doesn't know what day it is.
Judging by your comments years ago, you have already made your decision ,for car racing.Don't know whether it's go karts,F1s,demolition derbies or Super cars.But you still whine, it's in your blood.

You say no prospect ,how the F would you or I know ,what the prospect is 5 years plus down the line.The NRL has stated ,if clubs cannot make it with their new grants,they "ain't going to be propped up." So you keep praying.

There were occasions some new potential clubs, made assumptions and went ahead ,without checking to see if expansion was a goer (IOW admin saying go ahead prepare)..
 
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ATOWN2

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You say no prospect ,how the F would you or I know ,what the prospect is 5 years plus down the line.The NRL has stated ,if clubs cannot make it with their new grants,they "ain't going to be propped up." So you keep praying.

There were occasions some new potential clubs, made assumptions and went ahead ,without checking to see if expansion was a goer (IOW admin saying go ahead prepare)..

Personally I can't see Perth having a NRL team within the next 5 years, which is a shame as now would be the perfect time to capitalise on the demise of Super Rugby.

http://www.austadiums.com/sport/sport.php?sid=2

Average crowd attendances in the NRL were highest in 2005. The 2010 NRL season had a similar amount of average crowds but had a higher overall attendance rate. NRL has been stagnating and unfortunately I can't see anything changing as self-interest and the powers that be continue on with their vision-less ways.
 

Billythekid

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I don't think anyone could deny that Gallop was terrible for the NRL. He caused damage that we may never fully recover from and held the game back for a decade (though I feel some of that was due to influences outside of his control).

Having said that the game did manage to expand under his tenure. At a time when our TV deal was worth around 1/4 or less of the current one.

It feels like somehow we're almost worse off now then we were then. TV revenue has went up 4 fold, memberships have increased by a massive amount and total revenue for the game dwarfs what we had under Gallop. Yet somehow now we find ourselves losing money, unable to expand with crowds and TV ratings going backwards.

This is pretty off topic discussion though for the most part.
25k on a Thursday you're dreaming

Will be lucky to get 18k. Brilliant scheduling once again

It's god awful scheduling no doubt and the NRL needs to sort that shit out next year.

Having said that crowds of that level are shit for a matchup like that no matter the circumstances. Dogs v Parra is close to if not the biggest rivalry in the NRL.

I know everyone in here fits when the AFL is mentioned but no way would a matchup like that pull such a pitiful crowd just because it's a Thursday game. I'm pretty sure you could play the 2 biggest Melbourne teams at 2am on Christmas Day and they would still get a bigger crowd than that.

Thursday is a god awful timeslot but it doesn't excuse all the bad crowds.
 

adamkungl

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It feels like somehow we're almost worse off now then we were then. TV revenue has went up 4 fold, memberships have increased by a massive amount and total revenue for the game dwarfs what we had under Gallop. Yet somehow now we find ourselves losing money, unable to expand with crowds and TV ratings going backwards.

How is it that a governing body can be both super conservative AND leak cash
 

taipan

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Personally I can't see Perth having a NRL team within the next 5 years, which is a shame as now would be the perfect time to capitalise on the demise of Super Rugby.

http://www.austadiums.com/sport/sport.php?sid=2

Average crowd attendances in the NRL were highest in 2005. The 2010 NRL season had a similar amount of average crowds but had a higher overall attendance rate. NRL has been stagnating and unfortunately I can't see anything changing as self-interest and the powers that be continue on with their vision-less ways.


Hard to say what will happen.I do know this in 2005 with the high crowds ,guess who were the top 4 sides?

Top of the table Eels,2nd Dragons,3rd Broncos,and 4th West Tigers.All these clubs are the biggest drawing clubs apart from Souths and Bulldogs.We didn't have 6pm Friday night games either, nor Thursday nights 8 pm.

Until the two NRL owned sides are sold, the salary cap/RLPA negotiations are settled ,and grassroots money allocated ,IMO expansion would be well down the list ,unfortunately.And whilst Sydney continues with its crap increasingly congested road transport system,the code will continue to be hampered.
 

taipan

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I don't think anyone could deny that Gallop was terrible for the NRL. He caused damage that we may never fully recover from and held the game back for a decade (though I feel some of that was due to influences outside of his control).

Having said that the game did manage to expand under his tenure. At a time when our TV deal was worth around 1/4 or less of the current one.

It feels like somehow we're almost worse off now then we were then. TV revenue has went up 4 fold, memberships have increased by a massive amount and total revenue for the game dwarfs what we had under Gallop. Yet somehow now we find ourselves losing money, unable to expand with crowds and TV ratings going backwards.

This is pretty off topic discussion though for the most part.


It's god awful scheduling no doubt and the NRL needs to sort that shit out next year.

Having said that crowds of that level are shit for a matchup like that no matter the circumstances. Dogs v Parra is close to if not the biggest rivalry in the NRL.

I know everyone in here fits when the AFL is mentioned but no way would a matchup like that pull such a pitiful crowd just because it's a Thursday game. I'm pretty sure you could play the 2 biggest Melbourne teams at 2am on Christmas Day and they would still get a bigger crowd than that.

Thursday is a god awful timeslot but it doesn't excuse all the bad crowds.


Didn't Souths get the flick from time under Gallop's tenure? If not that was a dumb decision.North Sydney also ,an area AFL is lapping up.
The AFL clubs lost $93m last year.Players don't do it for peanuts. Friday 6pm is a disaster time slot also.The Tv station doesn't give a stuff. about fans getting to the game.

My point is ,if Gallop had negotiated TV deals for what the code was actually worth on two occasions,not giving inboxed to arm twisting bye his former employers,teh code may in fact have expanded or at least have money to spend on expansion.It clearly does not now.
 

El Diablo

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Plenty of indicators and maybes put out by Gallop, Smith and Grant over those 8 years to make us, CC, Brisbane etc believe that expansion was a real possibility. At least now we know it isn't and the fans can decide how much time and money they want to invest in the game accordingly. For me that is far less with no prospect of a home town NRL club to follow. I' d suggest I'm not alone looking at the drop off in interest both in Perth and Gosford.
translation = more excuses
 

Billythekid

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Didn't Souths get the flick from time under Gallop's tenure? If not that was a dumb decision.North Sydney also ,an area AFL is lapping up.
The AFL clubs lost $93m last year.Players don't do it for peanuts. Friday 6pm is a disaster time slot also.The Tv station doesn't give a stuff. about fans getting to the game.

My point is ,if Gallop had negotiated TV deals for what the code was actually worth on two occasions,not giving inboxed to arm twisting bye his former employers,teh code may in fact have expanded or at least have money to spend on expansion.It clearly does not now.

It's a long time ago now but I believe Souths were removed before Gallop started and were reinstated just before Gallop took over.

I'm not defending Gallop at all, I agree under his tenure the game was held back immensely and has been forever damaged. The money we lost in tv deals is something we can never get back. At the same time we did still manage do expand despite the game having so little revenue.

I don't see how you can blame anything that happened under Gallop for our lack of expansion now. As I said our current TV deal was worth 2 billion and per year around 4 times what we had under Gallop (the last one was also much larger). Memberships and overall revenue in the game are way up. It was only a couple of years ago that we were banking millions for a future fund.

Now we're losing money and apparently expansion is totally off the table for the foreseeable future. Crowds are down and ratings are down. I don't see how you can possibly blame Gallop for that anymore.
 

taipan

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It's a long time ago now but I believe Souths were removed before Gallop started and were reinstated just before Gallop took over.

I'm not defending Gallop at all, I agree under his tenure the game was held back immensely and has been forever damaged. The money we lost in tv deals is something we can never get back. At the same time we did still manage do expand despite the game having so little revenue.

I don't see how you can blame anything that happened under Gallop for our lack of expansion now. As I said our current TV deal was worth 2 billion and per year around 4 times what we had under Gallop (the last one was also much larger). Memberships and overall revenue in the game are way up. It was only a couple of years ago that we were banking millions for a future fund.

Now we're losing money and apparently expansion is totally off the table for the foreseeable future. Crowds are down and ratings are down. I don't see how you can possibly blame Gallop for that anymore.

I dont' disagree with your comments.But you will agree if we had received proper value for our TV contracts then, we may not be debating now.In fact we may have had a B2 and Perth lined up for 2023.
Expansion happens when firstly there is demand, so we can check that box.But just as importantly there has to be money to expands the AFL has shown throwing it around like confetti.
They have grassroots covered ,they have their digital set up done, so they did expand, but it still is not the ultimate as Nthn Tv ratings and Lions debacle has shown.
The other factor also you have not taken into account, when TV deals come in and increase so does the star players' demands .such as the $1m ones running around in the game.
Memberships are indeed up as are sponsorships,but gate takings certainly for Sydney are well down.
We're losing money for 1 year, when the next 2018 deal kicks in the NRL should not be losing money.

The clubs themselves may lose money,but that's up to them, if they want to survive the axe.
 
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hutch

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Personally I can't see Perth having a NRL team within the next 5 years, which is a shame as now would be the perfect time to capitalise on the demise of Super Rugby.

http://www.austadiums.com/sport/sport.php?sid=2

Average crowd attendances in the NRL were highest in 2005. The 2010 NRL season had a similar amount of average crowds but had a higher overall attendance rate. NRL has been stagnating and unfortunately I can't see anything changing as self-interest and the powers that be continue on with their vision-less ways.

Every sport is stagnating though, not just us. Super rugby union crowds have halved since the early 2000's in this country, afl averaged more in 1997 than 2016, A league goes up and down and is back on a downward spiral, we had been hanging onto our crowds quite consistently until this year. We have so many things we could do better though which would all result in a rise in crowds.
 

T-Boon

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Average crowd attendances in the NRL were highest in 2005. The 2010 NRL season had a similar amount of average crowds but had a higher overall attendance rate. NRL has been stagnating and unfortunately I can't see anything changing as self-interest and the powers that be continue on with their vision-less ways.

Thats about the time Bellamy started employing wrestling coaches and gave the game that little anthrax gift. Average points per game started going down at the same time.

It is not too late to get rid of wrestling and bring back crowds.
 

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