2018 Crowd Watch

[Stallion]

This might not be popular in some circles, but I reckon Northern Eagles is a geographically and commercially sound idea that could have and could still be big if it wasn't crippled by 2 old clubs that hate each other.

History and rivalry should take precedence over weakening the code. The rivalry is an established strength. You lose that you lose the fan base. Simple as that. Reality not fanciful creations .

 

[titoelcolombiano]

This might not be popular in some circles, but I reckon Northern Eagles is a geographically and commercially sound idea that could have and could still be big if it wasn't crippled by 2 old clubs that hate each other.

If Manly are forced out of Brooky the Eagles on the Central Coast could become a reality. You are right, we probably should have persisted with it.

 

[adamkungl]

The trouble with this is that supporters of Cronulla, Manly and Penrith (or more correctly the ratepayers in those areas) are then subsidising teams that use the stadiums paid for by everyone (Cronulla's ground I believe is owned by the Sharks). So along with pouring billions of taxpayer dollars into the big stadiums, the state govt should in the interests of equity be giving grants to local councils.

We're all subsidising something we don't want to. That's tax for ya

 

[adamkungl]

History and rivalry should take precedence over weakening the code. The rivalry is an established strength. You lose that you lose the fan base. Simple as that. Reality not fanciful creations .

The rivalry doesn't exist. The Bears are 20 years dead from top grade. And in the top level they both compete, Manly aren't even Manly.

 

[Stallion]

Stallion logic: Kicking out the bears and moving Manly out of Brooky hands the area over to all of those non-existent Super Rugby and AFL franchises in Northern Sydney

For those whom.don't look at junior numbers it's a great and easy to make statement. Hope you are happy with yourself. Pathetic disregard for the code doesn't wash with me.

 

[Timmah]

Isn't every rivalry a fanciful creation at first?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

History and rivalry should take precedence over weakening the code. The rivalry is an established strength. You lose that you lose the fan base. Simple as that. Reality not fanciful creations .

Wait, you want the bears back and you want to send them to the Central Coast, but not ok for the Eagles (who in the end were just Manly because Norths went broke)? Nothing is stopping those fan bases following the team as an away side in Sydney. I assume that is what your proposal for the bears is.

 

[Stallion]

The rivalry doesn't exist. The Bears are 20 years dead from top grade. And in the top level they both compete, Manly aren't even Manly.

The rivalry is still there. People do remember and generational support just doesn't dissappear. Though their are people on this site whom think this happens!

 

[titoelcolombiano]

For those whom.don't look at junior numbers it's a great and easy to make statement. Hope you are happy with yourself. Pathetic disregard for the code doesn't wash with me.

What are the junior numbers now and what were they in the mid-ninties? I require evidence of your claim that they have declined and if they have, evidence that they have declined due to Norths not being in the comp and not due to contact sports in general being on the decline because of over-protective soccer mums.

 

[Timmah]

The rivalry is still there. People do remember and generational support just doesn't dissappear. Though their are people on this site whom think this happens!

The rivalry remains relevant to handful of people. You have a wonderful skill for extrapolating small-scale things you believe in as though they are majority-rule things. They are not.

 

[adamkungl]

The rivalry is still there. People do remember and generational support just doesn't dissappear. Though their are people on this site whom think this happens!

It's not a rivalry if they don't play against each other. It's just sad, old, bitterness making it difficult for the sport to progress.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Implosion, peanut, bears, union conspiracy.

I see you refused to refute the facts about suburban grounds lol.

you forgot his other catch-phrase 'weakening of the code'

 

[carcharias]

So
A central stadium with plenty of seats for the future?

Isn’t that what the roosters rabbits and dogs have been doing for years now... with f**k all people attending games.

 

[Timmah]

Isn’t that what the roosters rabbits and dogs have been doing for years now... with f**k all people attending games.

Not sure how the Roosters factor into ANZ but on average I'm fairly sure Souths and Canterbury average the best in Sydney over the last 10-15 years

 

[adamkungl]

So
A central stadium with plenty of seats for the future?

Isn’t that what the roosters rabbits and dogs have been doing for years now... with f**k all people attending games.

Dogs and Souths are typically at or towards the top of Sydney crowds and memberships, passable form permitting.

But aside from stadiums, Sydney has a number of factors that have limited crowd growth over the decades, number 1 being a shit attendance culture in this city.

I like to think that won't always be the case, and that fans and clubs and NRL and government will work together to slowly but surely improve things. And IF things do gradually improve, do you want your club to be below a pretty shallow glass ceiling?

 

[greenBV4]

If Manly are forced out of Brooky the Eagles on the Central Coast could become a reality.

IF any Sydney team was going to move to the CC surely Manly would be up there as the most likely? obviously most their fans only watch their games on TV anyway so having "Central Coast" or even "Northern" instead of "Manly-Warringah" shouldn't mean the fans can't keep supporting them and watching on tv.. and the odd 10,000 or so that do actually consistently go to games can still go to away games in Sydney and a possible "heritage" game

 

[adamkungl]

Not sure how the Roosters factor into ANZ but on average I'm fairly sure Souths and Canterbury average the best in Sydney over the last 10-15 years

We cop shit for our crowds but they're usually better than the 3 suburbs-only clubs and in a good year we have 1-3 games that exceed the capacity of any suburban ground.

 

[Raiderdave]

The trouble with this is that supporters of Cronulla, Manly and Penrith (or more correctly the ratepayers in those areas) are then subsidising teams that use the stadiums paid for by everyone (Cronulla's ground I believe is owned by the Sharks). So along with pouring billions of taxpayer dollars into the big stadiums, the state govt should in the interests of equity be giving grants to local councils.

rubbish
based on that theory , people living in Bourke who are state tax payers but never use any venues in Sydney should have money spent on Davidson oval where their football team plays
where would that end ?
every sports venue for every sport in every nook cranny & hamlet in every council in the state would get about $47.50 each
If teams have the foresight to abandon borderline amateur facilities to grow & survive financially then that's their business , if teams want to be stuck at grounds with facilities stuck in the 1970's not making a penny out of it , well that's their business too.

 

[Stallion]

Wait, you want the bears back and you want to send them to the Central Coast, but not ok for the Eagles (who in the end were just Manly because Norths went broke)? Nothing is stopping those fan bases following the team as an away side in Sydney. I assume that is what your proposal for the bears is.

A disturbing amount of untruths in your summary. Perhaps you might use fact wheb you try discredit the existence of a club. Firstly, it was a flawed criteria and purpose that exited the Bears. Secondly they were as good as any other club. Thirdly, their support is way more than you perceive. Fourthly, the damage to the code as a result of this clubs demise is more than you perceive. And their is more but you won't get these so why bother!?

 

[Stallion]

The rivalry remains relevant to handful of people. You have a wonderful skill for extrapolating small-scale things you believe in as though they are majority-rule things. They are not.

We dissagree Timmah! I believe the rivalry still is there and can flourish.