2018 Draw

[Tigers1986]

Why would they take MORE games to Campbelltown? The highest crowd there of the four games was 12.2k, average less than 10k. Only two matches have drawn 15k+ in the last five years and one of them was the Jarryd Hayne show last year.

If people aren't turning up there, surely the answer isn't to give them MORE games to not show up for (especially when you consider that WT have only ever played one match at ANZ that's attracted a sub-10k crowd).

The crowds have struggled due to the non-Sydney teams being shelved to Campbelltown and fairweather fans not bothering to show up.

You put Wests vs Manly on a Sunday afternoon you'll get 16k easily.

St George-Illawarra realised the flaw and have returned to their traditional base. Home games require atmosphere that is better generated at the local grounds as opposed to the empty vacuum at Homebush.

 

[Perth Red]

The crowds have struggled due to the non-Sydney teams being shelved to Campbelltown and fairweather fans not bothering to show up.

You put Wests vs Manly on a Sunday afternoon you'll get 16k easily.

St George-Illawarra realised the flaw and have returned to their traditional base. Home games require atmosphere that is better generated at the local grounds as opposed to the empty vacuum at Homebush.

A whole 16k? Wow.

 

[Timmah]

I assume this is a typo? They’ve played about 40 home games at ANZ?

I'd say it's a comprehension error at your end. What I was saying was that of all the matches played at ANZ involving WT, only one has ever had a sub 10k crowd. Home or away.

Nice idea, but don't the Premiers get to host the first rematch?

I'm not sure this is a thing? I feel like fans just think its some sort of entitlement? Like, the draw is the draw, you play when the schedule dictates. Sure, it's nice but it's not guaranteed by any means.

The crowds have struggled due to the non-Sydney teams being shelved to Campbelltown and fairweather fans not bothering to show up.

You put Wests vs Manly on a Sunday afternoon you'll get 16k easily.

St George-Illawarra realised the flaw and have returned to their traditional base. Home games require atmosphere that is better generated at the local grounds as opposed to the empty vacuum at Homebush.

Might be a good start to avoid emotive language like "the empty vacuum" and just talk facts.

Whether you like it or not, playing at ANZ is less of a financial loss / generates more revenue than games at Campbelltown and Leichhardt. It's long been known that this is the case.

While it's nice for the Dragons to be playing more games back at Kogarah/Gong, IMO it's a poor move which may cost them more than it makes.

If the GF stays on the long weekend it could be the first non DST grand final in a very long time.

Happens every 6 years (leap years depending). 2012 was and 2018 and 2029 will be played 30 September (assuming the same season structure in the future). Additionally wasn't every pre-2008 GF played in AEST?

 

[Tigers1986]

At some point the financial aspect has to be weighed against the 'aura' of the home venue. If Campbelltown/Leichhardt councils would be open to the idea of having the grounds sponsored (like most of them are) it could alleviate the cost and assist the club to make its profits whilst staying true to its traditional bases.

 

[Timmah]

You'll find very few viable businesses who make decisions on aura over their bottom line.

 

[Timmah]

Double headers confirmed this morning - 4 of them including Perth over the opening ten weeks.

 

[hutch]

The crowds have struggled due to the non-Sydney teams being shelved to Campbelltown and fairweather fans not bothering to show up.

You put Wests vs Manly on a Sunday afternoon you'll get 16k easily.

Non Sydney away teams are played at both leichhardt and Campbelltown and Campbelltown has usually struggled to draw any sort of crowd. We should have stuck with the 4/4/4 split.

St George-Illawarra realised the flaw and have returned to their traditional base. Home games require atmosphere that is better generated at the local grounds as opposed to the empty vacuum at Homebush.

I can't stand anz as much as the next person but the facts are the crowds are predominantly much bigger there than at suburban grounds. The dragons crowds will fall significantly this year by playing all their games at suburban grounds. There's a place for both suburban grounds and bigger stadiums, we should be aiming for 25-30k plus for the bigger Sydney derbies with both teams members having access.

 

[thorson1987]

So Melbourne involved in 3 of them, 2 of which would have been games in Sydney.

Thanks merkins. (From a personal standpoint. Less games I can get to.)

 

[Valheru]

Mt Smart is an odd place for the double header. Surely that would be the perfect opportunity to try and get a big crowd at Eden Park.

 

[King Ben]

As Premiers, Melbourne should at least have the benefit of opening the season at home. But I get it was locked in before they won the comp.

 

[colly]

Double headers confirmed this morning - 4 of them including Perth over the opening ten weeks.

I pointed out this before. ANZ was OWNED by Stadium Australia Group. A privately owned business
https://sportandrecreation.nsw.gov.au/news/160704_anz_stadium_returns_to_public_ownership
So before The Stadium Australian Group would payed teams ? $50 k to play at ANZ.
http://www.venuesnsw.com/
Now it is Government owned NO payments to teams occur. IN fact teams are now charged $ to play at ALL Venues nsw ANZ.
This is the state of play now. These are the FACTS

 

[Captain Apollo]

Additionally wasn't every pre-2008 GF played in AEST?

Pretty much. It was in 2008 that Daylight Saving Time in NSW was changed to start on the first Sunday in October as opposed to the last Sunday in October.

As to the revenue generation matter regarding Campbelltown v ANZ, whilst ANZ is now a Government owned stadium, its corporate facilities will probably be light years in front of those at Campbelltown. AS such I dare say the Wests Tigers generate far more corporate $ playing at ANZ as opposed to Campbelltown. It is those corporate $ which in many cases can outweigh the revenue generated solely for regular ticket sales.

 

[Timmah]

I pointed out this before. ANZ was OWNED by Stadium Australia Group. A privately owned business
https://sportandrecreation.nsw.gov.au/news/160704_anz_stadium_returns_to_public_ownership
So before The Stadium Australian Group would payed teams ? $50 k to play at ANZ.
http://www.venuesnsw.com/
Now it is Government owned NO payments to teams occur. IN fact teams are now charged $ to play at ALL Venues nsw ANZ.
This is the state of play now. These are the FACTS

What does that have to do with four double headers at four different venues?

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

As Premiers, Melbourne should at least have the benefit of opening the season at home. But I get it was locked in before they won the comp.

agreed mate
but it was signed off and they are 4 teams thatw ill draw a crowd there. you have the premiers, souths, new Zealand who perth always see and a big Sydney team.
its gonna be good.

ill definitely be going to that round 3 double header

 

[Timmah]

As to the revenue generation matter regarding Campbelltown v ANZ, whilst ANZ is now a Government owned stadium, its corporate facilities will probably be light years in front of those at Campbelltown. AS such I dare say the Wests Tigers generate far more corporate $ playing at ANZ as opposed to Campbelltown. It is those corporate $ which in many cases can outweigh the revenue generated solely for regular ticket sales.

I assume this discussion is what @colly was CAPS LOCKING about in the previous post and you're bang on.

The potential and opportunity to generate revenue at venues like ANZ and Allianz is surely miles ahead of what suburban grounds, mostly owned by councils, can offer. Southern Cross Group is possibly the main exception given the Sharks own it.

 

[Timmah]

As Premiers, Melbourne should at least have the benefit of opening the season at home. But I get it was locked in before they won the comp.

While the sentiment is nice and all, I don't see this as a "given". There's surely enough benefit in the prizemoney and sponsorship opportunities a premiership offers, before giving concessions in the draw to them.

Particularly if we're interested in having a less "manipulated" draw.

 

[Pommy]

Just got this email from Souths

The South Sydney Rabbitohs will be the only NRL Club to be involved in three double headers scheduled to kick off Season 2018, with the NRL announcing an ANZ Stadium blockbuster double header for round three next year against the Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles.

The Rabbitohs are set to take on the Sea Eagles in a home game alongside an Eels vs Sharks clash, the first NRL premiership double header at ANZ Stadium since 2008.

The round three double header fixture at ANZ Stadium is in addition to the Wigan Warriors hosting the Rabbitohs in a pre-season double header at the same venue alongside the Dragons and Hull FC, as well as the round one double header at the new Perth Stadium which will see the Rabbitohs take on the Warriors and the Bulldogs doing battle with the Storm.

Nice to see that an effort is being made at least.

 

[adamkungl]

Double headers are a cynical and fake way to boost crowd averages.
These games will likely attract less total fans than 2 separate games but the 'home' teams involved will both get to count a crowd nearly twice the normal. Yay.

 

[Diesel]

Mt Smart is an odd place for the double header. Surely that would be the perfect opportunity to try and get a big crowd at Eden Park.

That was my thinking too, but EP might be on it's last legs as there's talk of a new Auckland Stadium in the works

 

[Stallion]

Is that the way they count them? Would have thought divide the total figure by two at the end of the day!?