2019 coach

[chrisD]

Cleary has never started a season with a team expected to compete for a premiership, right? Going to be very interesting.

 

[Pomoz]

If Cleary had f**ked off a year and a half into his stint with us, we would have been livid, yet many on here are happy to see him do it to the Tigers. I would have a lot less respect for Cleary if he does leave.

I like your moral stance except that clubs shaft coaches all the time. They shaft players too. I am sure that many others have been in a business that has been acquired by another business and a whole bunch of great employees get walked out the door to err, "reduce cost". Some of them with 20 years service. Gone walked out the door," we are moving everything to head office". Now two wrongs don't make a right, but Ivan must do what is right for him and his family.

This is business, if the Tigers get compensation, c'est la vie.

 

[Panther_Daz]

Time to be brave and bold. Just identify the next best young up & comer in the coaching brigade and give that person a crack. I don’t see any point pursuing highly paid over the hill has beens or going back to Ivan Cleary. Given our young roster and junior ranks a youthful enthusiastic coach full of potential is the right fit whoever it may be.

Agree. Go for Adam O'Brien at the Storm.

 

[mxlegend99]

If Cleary had f**ked off a year and a half into his stint with us, we would have been livid, yet many on here are happy to see him do it to the Tigers. I would have a lot less respect for Cleary if he does leave.

Who here has expressed they would be happy to see him do it to Tigers? Outside of that dickhead troll we would hate to see Tigers fans suffer through that.

Kent was saying we initially approached Ivan about whether he would come back at all and if so when? We were thinking 2020/2021 and he said yes he would consider it and 2019 was his idea.

At the end of the day he would be thinking about what's best for Nathans career. They want to play together and our club has far better resources to provide him with a great career. It looks bad for Ivan obviously. Maybe selfish him wanting what's best for Nsthan and thinking he is better than a Bennett or a Fittler etc. You could essily argue the best career move is bring in a coach like that and Nathan stays here

 

[mxlegend99]

I like your moral stance except that clubs shaft coaches all the time. They shaft players too. I am sure that many others have been in a business that has been acquired by another business and a whole bunch of great employees get walked out the door to err, "reduce cost". Some of them with 20 years service. Gone walked out the door," we are moving everything to head office". Now two wrongs don't make a right, but Ivan must do what is right for him and his family.

This is business, if the Tigers get compensation, c'est la vie.

Tigers have burned through many coaches and players in recent years. Only feel sorry for the fans. Not the clubs.

Likewise with us. We're an absolute ruthless merkin club too.

 

[roofromoz]

We're a development club, we're told. Build from within.

Missed an opportunity with Brennan. There's no rush to appoint a new coach. If Ciraldo can get us deep into the finals, why not offer him a one year deal with a one year option if we say finish top 4 next year.

 

[unKwn]

so reading the play says the deal with Ivan is done. absolutely crazy if true.

 

[panthersam]

As they spoke about on NRL 360, no matter what happens in a years time everybody will have forgotten about it anyway! I say welcome back Ivan and I look forward to seeing the success you and your son bring to this club

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Tigers have burned through many coaches and players in recent years. Only feel sorry for the fans. Not the clubs.

Likewise with us. We're an absolute ruthless merkin club too.

Yes we are: It's a ruthless game too.

 

[Matthew Ellis]

Agree. Go for Adam O'Brien at the Storm.

"Adam's (Adam O'Brien) at the front there and he's done a great job for us for a long time, Id love to see him take over after me, whenever that is."- Craig Bellamy.

God damn that's a big endorsement. Make this guy our first choice coach.

 

[Pomoz]

Agree. Go for Adam O'Brien at the Storm.

Well Dad, you have the ear t the ground, is this how they are thinking?

 

[unKwn]

Wests Tigers readying for courtroom brawl with Penrith Panthers regarding coach Ivan Cleary
AUGUST 07, 2018
WESTS Tigers are readying for a courtroom brawl with Penrith as the fallout of the Panthers’ secret raid of coach Ivan Cleary turns nasty.

The Daily Telegraph has learnt the Tigers are exploring their legal options if Penrith are found to have induced Cleary to break his contract at his current club.

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Tigers chair Marina Go has openly said the club had no intentions of releasing Cleary from the remaining two years of his contract and that Cleary was yet to seek a release.

Leading sports lawyer Tim Fuller, who has more than a decade of legal experience and played first grade for South Sydney and the Gold Coast in the 1990s, said the Tigers “have a strong case”.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

So Cleary takes us within one game of getting the wooden spoon in his final year, and now we are welcoming him back like some kind of savior?

What the f**k is with this club sometimes?

 

[Matthew Ellis]

It's gonna be awkward when Ciraldo wins the premiership in 8 games and is asked to go back to being an assistant coach. /j

 

[Panfa]

If we want to win a premiership we need a premiership winning coach i say grab bennett or maguire ivan is too soft he had 4 yrs here and couldnt even get us into a grand final its a no from me

 

[Tiger5150]

I like your moral stance except that clubs shaft coaches all the time. They shaft players too. I am sure that many others have been in a business that has been acquired by another business and a whole bunch of great employees get walked out the door to err, "reduce cost". Some of them with 20 years service. Gone walked out the door," we are moving everything to head office". Now two wrongs don't make a right, but Ivan must do what is right for him and his family.

This is business, if the Tigers get compensation, c'est la vie.

Sorry for the intrusion as a Tigers fan but I have to interject here and I've heard this argument many times recently and its totally wrong.

A contract is held between two parties and to be legal has to benefit both parties (its called consideration).

In the situation where a player or coach is sacked by the club, they still need to receive consideration, ie, they get paid. So if the Tigers were paying Ivan say $500K pa with two years to go and said "you are crap get out", that would be unpleasant potentially for Ivan (or player) but they still get that money. In this example he would still get the $1M. Hasler is a great example of that, or Woods or half of the Bulldogs squad recently.

In this case, one party is breaking the contract and the other party receives no consideration for it. If Ivan walks, the Tigers dont pay him, but we dont have the coach or the rest of what we were paying him for either.

Its a totally different thing.

 

[Panther Pete]

so reading the play says the deal with Ivan is done. absolutely crazy if true.

Paul Kent on NRL360 reckons its a done deal with Ivan, Tigers will say they aren’t releasing him until he actually requests the release and then he goes.

 

[Panfa]

Tiger 5150 you can keep cleary you will never win a comp with him and his son ivan just doesnt have it in him 2 yrs no semis get ready for 3 yrs no semis next season he will get sacked before nathan even gets there majority of penrith fans dont want him back i hope he stays a tiger and wish you luck

 

[Matthew Ellis]

This is really poor. No proper process for finding a coach, just Gould’s ego again.

This should be Gould’s final act.

Well do we have someone in line to inherent his position? If there isn't an relatively competent guy available I think we should stick with Gould. Yes, he can make some stupid decisions but there's always a chance the next guy or the guy after that could screw up our cap and put us back closer to the dark days before Gus sorted out the cap, juniors, debt, etc. Even playing with a bad coach like Hook things are swell in comparison to that.

 

[jane the pain]

Time to be brave and bold. Just identify the next best young up & comer in the coaching brigade and give that person a crack. I don’t see any point pursuing highly paid over the hill has beens or going back to Ivan Cleary. Given our young roster and junior ranks a youthful enthusiastic coach full of potential is the right fit whoever it may be.

I disagree with that. Ivan did wonders when he was here. I do realize that Ivan didn't get the Panthers into the finals, however, he laid on the groundwork for hook.