2019 Discussion

[herbert henry1908]

Where did I say he admitted to it? You cant even get you facts straight in the same comment. I was questioning whether it was confirmed, you know what a question mark is? My opinion is he definitely sent it(you'd have to have rocks in your head to think otherwise), but that is not a confirmation.

The way you phrased it made it sound like you believed you’d heard he’d admitted to sending it.



Ultimately he probably did send it, but I want confirmation before I tear up a contract. I’m glad the club are level headed like that too.

 

[age.s]

Yeah, I tend to agree with Herbert on the May stuff. As much as I personally think he almost certainly did it, deserves the boot and that we would benefit from it, I like that the club gives it's players the benefit of the doubt in matters like this.

Hypothetically though, if we conducted our own investigation, found that he had distributed the material, deemed that he had brought the club into disrepute and tore up his contract, would we have his salary and roster slot available?

 

[franklin2323]

Yeah, I tend to agree with Herbert on the May stuff. As much as I personally think he almost certainly did it, deserves the boot and that we would benefit from it, I like that the club gives it's players the benefit of the doubt in matters like this.

Hypothetically though, if we conducted our own investigation, found that he had distributed the material, deemed that he had brought the club into disrepute and tore up his contract, would we have his salary and roster slot available?

We still have it open now. So we would atleast until NRL clear him

 

[betcats]

The way you phrased it made it sound like you believed you’d heard he’d admitted to sending it.



Ultimately he probably did send it, but I want confirmation before I tear up a contract. I’m glad the club are level headed like that too.

Yeah, I tend to agree with Herbert on the May stuff. As much as I personally think he almost certainly did it, deserves the boot and that we would benefit from it, I like that the club gives it's players the benefit of the doubt in matters like this.

Hypothetically though, if we conducted our own investigation, found that he had distributed the material, deemed that he had brought the club into disrepute and tore up his contract, would we have his salary and roster slot available?

Fair enough wanting to give him the chance to defend himself in court. My thing is even if the girl didn’t go to the police, May(if he did share it) has still done a large amount damage to the clubs reputation. Given the statements that we have heard from Gould, Greenberg and others since this blew up it seems like the club hasn’t tried to defend May at all. The dragons and manly both went into bat for players that had worse charges, panthers agreed with the nrl on May and more than one figure at the club has spoken about being disappointed and let donw by what’s happened. If he admitted to the club/nrl that he shared the video with whoever I would of liked to see him punted.

 

[Kilkenny]

In respect of Tyrone May regardless of the outcome of the court proceedings his time with us is virtually over anyway. If he was going to establish himself in our top 17 it probably had to be this season. Depending on the outcome of the Jack De Belin Federal Court case it is possible Tyrone will miss this entire season. Coach Cleary looking to free up salary cap space would most likely see Tyrone’s exit particularly if the court case doesn’t go his way.

 

[herbert henry1908]

May has another year on his deal after this one, plus i'd suggest his deal wouldn't be that much. Not sure there's heaps of salary cap to be freed up.

If he's found guilty he's very likely gone, but who knows if he's not guilty.

 

[Kilkenny]

May has another year on his deal after this one, plus i'd suggest his deal wouldn't be that much. Not sure there's heaps of salary cap to be freed up.

If he's found guilty he's very likely gone, but who knows if he's not guilty.

I realise he has another year but given he has basically missed 2019 he probably has to move on. Tyrone was talented but just one of those players who could play anywhere without actually nailing down the one position which I think he needed to do with us this season. No idea what he would be earning but I suspect in would be in the $150K -$250K bracket. Three or four players being released in this earnings bracket along with James Maloney at least gives Ivan something to enter the market.

 

[TheFrog]

I realise he has another year but given he has basically missed 2019 he probably has to move on. Tyrone was talented but just one of those players who could play anywhere without actually nailing down the one position which I think he needed to do with us this season. No idea what he would be earning but I suspect in would be in the $150K -$250K bracket. Three or four players being released in this earnings bracket along with James Maloney at least gives Ivan something to enter the market.

Souths didn't sack Inglis, Canberra didn't sack Wighton, Cowboys didn't sack Bolton. Clubs have learned from Ferguson/Dugan/Carney. You sack them for misbehaviour they go on to bigger and better things elsewhere. I think the club should keep him.

 

[Kilkenny]

Souths didn't sack Inglis, Canberra didn't sack Wighton, Cowboys didn't sack Bolton. Clubs have learned from Ferguson/Dugan/Carney. You sack them for misbehaviour they go on to bigger and better things elsewhere. I think the club should keep him.

I am not inferring anything from his alleged misbehaviour I’m more about making the point Ivan Cleary need’s or think’s he need’s to free up salary cap space and at the same time this was an important year for Tyrone who is for the most part a victim of his own versatility. Tyrone is most likely going to be out for the entire season and maybe it just maybe in his best interests to try an find a club who may have a spot for him in there roster where he will get more opportunity. It would be pointless him staying with us for 2020 if at best he may only be a bit part player with the occasional top grade game off the bench and I fear that may be the reality he is facing.

 

[herbert henry1908]

It's fine to say he has to move on, but that only happens if the player accepts that. It won't be so easy for him to find another club on the back of playing no footy.


He won't be out for the entire season if he's found not guilty, once this hits the local court it'll be a quick process. Brief of evidence has been presented, could go to trial quite quickly now, likely only a few days at court.

Also Jack De Belin decision is due this week, we'll know more about where the club stands if he wins that.

 

[Kilkenny]

It's fine to say he has to move on, but that only happens if the player accepts that. It won't be so easy for him to find another club on the back of playing no footy.


Also Jack De Belin decision is due this week, we'll know more about where the club stands if he wins that.

Forgetting the court case, where does Tyrone May fit into our squad/top 17. Of all the positions he has played coming thru the ranks, which pretty much is every position other than front row where does he actually nail down a spot in our top 17 (which is saying something given how badly we are going). It doesn’t bother me personally one way or the other whether he stays or goes but I am saying it may be in his best interests to look elsewhere where maybe there is greater opportunity. I’m not saying he has to move on, he doesn’t but he is between a rock and a hard place at the moment. If Ivan has a heart to heart and say’s you are not in my plans for 2020 what does he do?

 

[herbert henry1908]

From what I can gather the plan was for him to be the utility, I’m not particularly a massive fan of May, but he’s probably only going to leave if he can find a good opportunity. That’s not a given.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Souths didn't sack Inglis, Canberra didn't sack Wighton, Cowboys didn't sack Bolton. Clubs have learned from Ferguson/Dugan/Carney. You sack them for misbehaviour they go on to bigger and better things elsewhere. I think the club should keep him.

May is a significantly lesser player than all of them.

 

[chrisD]

Blow it up. Start again.

 

[TheFrog]

May is a significantly lesser player than all of them.

He's only a kid, really. You really don't know what the future holds.

 

[betcats]

Before the knee May looked quite good. I’ve not seen a lot of him since he got hurt tho.

 

[age.s]

Bolton isn't much chop at this point either.

 

[franklin2323]

Before the knee May looked quite good. I’ve not seen a lot of him since he got hurt tho.

No but better than a 2nd hooker or Fuimaono on the bench as a utility.

For me guys on that much are pretty much equal in skills. Top end guys are where we clear up space

 

[herbert henry1908]

If Maloney is moved on there should be some cap space, but if they allocated his money without it being 100% sure he was gone then that’s gross negligence.

I’d be attempting to move Mansour on as well, if you add in May going there should be around 1.4 million. You also have Tamou’s last year in 2020.

So there should be some room to make some moves in the player market.



The player we’re stuck with if he doesn’t improve is RCG, he’s under contract until 2023, no idea how we get ourselves out of that mess.

 

[Kilkenny]

If Maloney is moved on there should be some cap space, but if they allocated his money without it being 100% sure he was gone then that’s gross negligence.

I’d be attempting to move Mansour on as well, if you add in May going there should be around 1.4 million. You also have Tamou’s last year in 2020.

So there should be some room to make some moves in the player market.




The player we’re stuck with if he doesn’t improve is RCG, he’s under contract until 2023, no idea how we get ourselves out of that mess.

I wouldn’t write Josh Mansour off just yet. He is a pretty determined character and I hope he can bounce back, albeit the signs aren’t great.

The RCG situation is entirely different he was resigned to be our forward leader on a long term deal on decent money. He simply isn’t capable of delivering what the best front rowers in the game provide although he is being paid as if he is. Major concern for us.