2020 season

[franklin2323]

As I remember it, it was a Bryce Cartwright that largely won us that game.


I still don’t understand the Luai off the bench idea, he was far worse there than he was at 5/8 for us. All his better games were at 5/8.

if you’re going to consider past games, why ignore the ones where he played terribly off the bench?

Did you see his kicking game yesterday? Very ordinary. I don't see him as a half but we need what he brings somewhere in the side

 

[MugaB]

Billy burns just got extended till 2022

 

[Dave's mate]

Did you see his kicking game yesterday? Very ordinary. I don't see him as a half but we need what he brings somewhere in the side

He's 100% a half or nothing. Simply adds nothing anywhere else

 

[herbert henry1908]

Did you see his kicking game yesterday? Very ordinary. I don't see him as a half but we need what he brings somewhere in the side

There’s 5 teams that only have one main kicker.

Apisai can do a little, if Burton plays at centre he can do some. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[franklin2323]

He's 100% a half or nothing. Simply adds nothing anywhere else

halves kick Luai doesn't

 

[franklin2323]

There’s 5 teams that only have one main kicker.

Apisai can do a little, if Burton plays at centre he can do some. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

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Both GF and the minor premiers are missing off that list. Too easy to shut down teams with only one kicker

 

[herbert henry1908]

halves kick Luai doesn't

Wrong. See my post above, there’s plenty of teams that didn’t trust their second kicker.

There’s heaps of halves I can think of with an average or poor kicking game.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Both GF and the minor premiers are missing off that list. Too easy to shut down teams with only one kicker

Correlation does not equal causation.

but if you want to play that game, 4 of the 5 were in the top 8.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Let’s look at another correlation

Luai has played 6 games in the halves for us, and we’ve won 5 of those.

if having one kicker is so detrimental, wouldn’t it be worse?

 

[OldPanther]

halves kick Luai doesn't

Well he did just spend 2 years behind Maloney getting very little match practice in some weird bench utility role. No one had an issue with him before that.

 

[Dave's mate]

halves kick Luai doesn't

And that's why Burton will be 6

 

[franklin2323]

Well he did just spend 2 years behind Maloney getting very little match practice in some weird bench utility role. No one had an issue with him before that.

I have said for a while he isn't a half. I had hope the test for Samoa or any of those 3 NSW Cup games would show what others saw. It was weird to sign a guy to be replacement 2 years away and have no plan for him

 

[OldPanther]

I have said for a while he isn't a half. I had hope the test for Samoa or any of those 3 NSW Cup games would show what others saw. It was weird to sign a guy to be replacement 2 years away and have no plan for him

Everyone on here says development is important so we have to give him some time.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The way I see it, Luai has done enough to get a shot at 5/8. No one is saying he has a perfect game, but all this nitpicking is way over the top.

I also think it’s likely Ivan will favour someone a bit more experienced for the role to start with.

 

[herbert henry1908]

And that's why Burton will be 6

Except that’s not the case. As I’ve shown several teams go with a one kicker strategy.

 

[mxlegend99]

Let’s look at another correlation

Luai has played 6 games in the halves for us, and we’ve won 5 of those.

if having one kicker is so detrimental, wouldn’t it be worse?

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The only thing that matters is if we are more or less likely to win with a player.

Who gives a f**k why we are more likely to win with them so long as we are? Luai in the halves has a pretty good record as this shows.

On that note if we arent winning with him then we clearly look at our next option.

 

[franklin2323]

Everyone on here says development is important so we have to give him some time.

He will start 6 I have no doubt but how long he keeps it is the question.

 

[franklin2323]

Let’s look at another correlation

Luai has played 6 games in the halves for us, and we’ve won 5 of those.

if having one kicker is so detrimental, wouldn’t it be worse?

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A few points

Not like we had top opposition any of those games

Warriors have an ordinary record over here when it is 7.30 kick off probably due to 9.30 local time.

Roosters/Manly were Origin depleted. I don't think we beat either if Origin guys played.

Parra.. Flat track bullies. Greasy night. Was 2 tries all so hardly carved them up.

GC got the spoon. Brennan's last game as coach says all you need to know about how they pl

Only one of those games were with Cleary.
Maloney had a similar record with Peachey who is far from a half.

I am going back I can't remember a side that made the Grand Final with only one kicker... Which should be the aim.

The 4 games he started this year we scored 74 so not even like it brought extra points in

 

[OldPanther]

He will start 6 I have no doubt but how long he keeps it is the question.

That'll be up to him. If he doesn't work extremely hard Burton is likely to take the spot pretty quickly.

 

[herbert henry1908]

A few points

Not like we had top opposition any of those games

Warriors have an ordinary record over here when it is 7.30 kick off probably due to 9.30 local time.

Roosters/Manly were Origin depleted. I don't think we beat either if Origin guys played.

Parra.. Flat track bullies. Greasy night. Was 2 tries all so hardly carved them up.

GC got the spoon. Brennan's last game as coach says all you need to know about how they pl

Only one of those games were with Cleary.
Maloney had a similar record with Peachey who is far from a half.

I am going back I can't remember a side that made the Grand Final with only one kicker... Which should be the aim.

The 4 games he started this year we scored 74 so not even like it brought extra points in

You miss the point. You’re making dire predictions that halves must be able to kick, but the facts don’t back you up. Several teams operate with one kicker, we’ve won plenty of games with one kicker.

You can go into each game and come up with excuses for why your theory still holds weight, but if your theory truly did hold weight I wouldn’t be able to give you all the examples I have.

You just played yourself with your Tyrone Peachey example too. That literally proves my point. The secret can’t be James Maloney, because other teams win plenty of games with only one kicker.



Also, we’re not making the grand final anytime soon. There’s nothing to say Luai can’t improve his kicking before we’re competitive enough to do so.

But the idea teams aren’t making the grand final because they only have one kicker is ridiculous. There’s heaps of factors in teams making the grand final, you can’t boil it down to such simplicity.

You’re totally overthinking this kicking thing.