2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Phil McGrawhan]

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[tri_colours]

The 2018-2022 deal was $1.925bill in total not including the telstra naming rights which sit under sponsorship. I’ve posted links in infinitum to all the news articles on the figures for the last deal and this deal if you’d like to trawl back through this thread!

based on what been printed these are the figures. It’s a real shame Vlandys has decided to hide the figures in the annual report So we can’t verify the news stories.

2018-
nine $115mill cash plus $10mill contra
Fox $240mill cash and contra
Skynzz $20mill cash and contra
total $385mill a year (around $25mill a year contra)
5 year deal total value $1.925bill

2023-
nine $115mill cash plus $15mill contra
fox $240mill cash and contra
sky nz $32.8 mill cash and contra
total $402.8mill (cash and contra break down not yet known)
5 year deal total value $2.014bill

increase $89mill over 5 years
Increase of $17.8mill a year of which at least $5mill is contra. Max cash increase $12.8mill a year.

SMH

News Corp and Foxtel partner Telstra have agreed to pay $1.175b over five years for the NRL’s pay-TV and digital rights.

others tell the same story

so that makes 125m+ with the possibility of more to come


Show me the post. Infinite doesn't really interest me, Just one will do if its a reliable one

 

[Perth Red]

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[Perth Red]

others tell the same story

so that makes 125m+ with the possibility of more to come


Show me the post. Infinite doesn't really interest me, Just one will do if its a reliable one

which bit the 2018 deal or the 2023 deal?

2018- deal
'In total, it means Fox Sports will pay over $1.175 billion for the pay TV rights while the Nine Network’s spend will be reduced to $650 million over five years for the free-to-air games.'

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-18bn-tv-broadcast-rights-deal-proves-a-winner-for-fans/news-story/8239b9d38c942cf0c78d12ec1086355b

Thats $1.825billion and then the SKY NZ deal was $100million meaning a total of $1.925billion was achieved in that deal.

 

[Perth Red]

In terms of the tv 2023 deal -
We know its a 'bit' over $400mil a year

NRL signs new $575m, five-year free-to-air broadcast deal with Nine

The long-term agreement will ensure NRL remains on the screens of its current free-to-air broadcast partner after months of negotiations.

www.smh.com.au

we know Nine are paying $130mill ($115 cash $15 contra)

NRL agrees to new five-year broadcast deal with Nine

NRL secures a new bumper five-year deal with Nine, while expansion to an 18th team is still possible before 2028.

www.abc.net.au

We know Sky agreed to a significant increase from around $20mill to $32.8mill

that leaves $240mill for fox

Giving an annual total of $402.8mill a year

 

[The Penguin #6.]

We know its a 'bit' over $400mil a year

How much exactly is a `bit` though. I`ve read reports that it could be as high as $430m. Given the NRL`s and Foxtel reluctance to publicise the number how can we possibly know.
Could that figure have been kept secret so as not to give any advantage to the afl in their stalled negotiations with Foxtel. Especially since so much of these broadcast deals are about bragging rights about whos` is the biggest.
Given the way everyone immediately assumes that it was a low-ball offer, not making the real figure available would allow Foxtel to put the screws on the afl, something which, due to their, Foxtel`s, unhappiness with this simulcast business, and was the sticking point in the inability of the afl to extend to 2027, may allow Foxtel to negotiate a lower price.
One other thing, last year when the League was having difficulty finalising their deal with Nine and at that point had no FTA for 2023 onwards, after the afl had finalised their 2023 - 2024 extensions Maclachlan knowing full well that the NRL at that stage had no FTA deal for 2023, came out boasting that the gap between the two sports broadcast deal had never been greater $476m fumbleball and $300m NRL, the implication being that because he knew at that stage the League didn`t have a FTA so it was zero, the balance $300m must have been Foxtel. Master`s himself speculated that Maclachlan may have had inside knowledge on the real value of the NRL deal to make such a statement.

 

[tri_colours]

after the television company outlaid $1.175 billion for the pay TV broadcast rights from 2018 to 2022.In terms of the tv 2023 deal -
We know its a 'bit' over $400mil a year

NRL signs new $575m, five-year free-to-air broadcast deal with Nine

The long-term agreement will ensure NRL remains on the screens of its current free-to-air broadcast partner after months of negotiations.

www.smh.com.au

we know Nine are paying $130mill ($115 cash $15 contra)

NRL agrees to new five-year broadcast deal with Nine

NRL secures a new bumper five-year deal with Nine, while expansion to an 18th team is still possible before 2028.

www.abc.net.au

We know Sky agreed to a significant increase from around $20mill to $32.8mill

that leaves $240mill for fox

which bit the 2018 deal or the 2023 deal?

2018- deal
'In total, it means Fox Sports will pay over $1.175 billion for the pay TV rights while the Nine Network’s spend will be reduced to $650 million over five years for the free-to-air games.'

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-18bn-tv-broadcast-rights-deal-proves-a-winner-for-fans/news-story/8239b9d38c942cf0c78d12ec1086355b

Thats $1.825billion and then the SKY NZ deal was $100million meaning a total of $1.925billion was achieved in that deal.

Giving an annual total of $402.8mill a year

Its not the later contract we differ on, its the previous one, 2018. The one were you make out they got more than $1.8b and 1.9b after they had signed Sky.

"after the television company outlaid $1.175 billion for the pay TV broadcast rights from 2018 to 2022. - confirmed!

1.175m According to SMH, sports industry and now confirmed by the telegraph

 

[Perth Red]

From experience if you are over the $405 mark you are saying so for good publicity and to show your stakeholders what a good job you are doing running the game! You'll see often things like "nearly $410million' or "close to $410million". If its less than $405 its much more likely you'd see what we have seen the "little over $400" thats been quoted. Shame we wont know for sure as VLandys continues to hide the real figures in the accounts

What the NRL got would have zero influence or bearing on the AFL negotiations, likewise the other way round. It hasnt in the past an no reason to believe it would this time.

If Fox was paying $300mill a year, which they are not even close to, the total deal would have been $2.3billion and no way NRL is hiding that!

 

[Perth Red]

Its not the later contract we differ on, its the previous one, 2018. The one were you make out they got more than $1.8b and 1.9b after they had signed Sky.


1.175m According to SMH, sports industry and now confirmed by tjhe telegraph

what dont you understand about that deal? According to reports it was $1.175 Fox, $650mill Nine, $100mill SkyNZ. for a total of $1.925 bill over 5 years. Although according to the reports out this year those figures may nt be quite right with $25mil less from Nine and $25mill more from Fox than those figures based on whats been said in this deal.
So 2018 - Nine paid $625mill and Fox paid $1.2bill

 

[tri_colours]

You keep repeating that $1.2figure even though the link you provided says 1.175

1.175 + .625 =1.8B

 

[Perth Red]

You keep repeating that $1.2figure even though the link you provided says 1.175

1.175 + .625 =1.8B

yeh the original numbers in the media in 2015 were 1.175 + 650. Which is where the $1.825 comes from
Looks like the Nine one was overstated and if was $625, as is more likely, would equate to $1.8. Not sure what the radio and other overseas rights are worth? Never actually seen them stated anywhere.

 

[The Penguin #6.]

And herein lies the really frustrating part:
https://twitter.com/footyindustryAU
https://twitter.com/footyindustryAU
@footyindustryAU


Round 3 of the 2022 NRL season had an aggregated 4.959m viewers at an average of 619,000 per match. The aggregate viewing across 3 rounds is est 14.879m and a season average of 620,000 viewers per match. Data: Oztam. Cons +7 data. Kayo est trend based (0.84 to STB)









https://twitter.com/footyindustryAU
Round 2 of the AFLs 2022 season had aggregate consolidated ratings of 5.085m at an average of 565,000 per game. The aggregate for the first 2 rounds of 2022 is est 11.616m viewers at an average of 645,000 per match. Data: Oztam. Cons +7 data. Kayo est trend based (0.83 to STB)

Despite both codes opening with bumper first round ratings already we are seeing the fumbleball`s ratings dropping faster from that point than the NRL`s.
Round 3 for the NRL still averaging 619 000 while fumbleballs average for round 2 had dropped to 565 000, too many more rounds like that and their total average will eventually suffer while League`s though not starting from such a peak will not fall as far.

Bloody hell, we should be earning buckets more from TV than those bastards.
Late edit : from what I`ve seen of fumbleball round 3 Foxtel figures the bottom is going to fall out of that total average.

 

[The Penguin #6.]

What the NRL got would have zero influence or bearing on the AFL negotiations, likewise the other way round. It hasnt in the past an no reason to believe it would this time.

But never before have we had a chairman as driven in his combativeness and obvious hatred of his competitors as V`landy`s. Witness his outright hatred of racing Victoria and wish to drive them into the ground.
The days of Todd ( "there`s room enough for both of us" ) Greenberg and his weekly phonecalls to Maclachlan for a chat are over, for V`landy`s it`s war.

 

[Perth Red]

But never before have we had a chairman as driven in his combativeness and obvious hatred of his competitors as V`landy`s. Witness his outright hatred of racing Victoria and wish to drive them into the ground.
The days of Todd ( "there`s room enough for both of us" ) Greenberg and his weekly phonecalls to Maclachlan for a chat are over, for V`landy`s it`s war.

Yes it plays very nicely into his main jobs rhetoric doesn't it? Id suggest he's using NRL as a vehicle in his NSW racing v Victoria racing battle more so than any belief that NRL is at war with the AFL. In fact that's exactly what the AFL want, NRL worried only about its own backyard whilst ignoring growth into new areas that they control.

 

[Smug Panther]

Yes it plays very nicely into his main jobs rhetoric doesn't it? Id suggest he's using NRL as a vehicle in his NSW racing v Victoria racing battle more so than any belief that NRL is at war with the AFL. In fact that's exactly what the AFL want, NRL worried only about its own backyard whilst ignoring growth into new areas that they control.

f**king clueless as always

 

[The Penguin #6.]

Yes it plays very nicely into his main jobs rhetoric doesn't it? Id suggest he's using NRL as a vehicle in his NSW racing v Victoria racing battle more so than any belief that NRL is at war with the AFL. In fact that's exactly what the AFL want, NRL worried only about its own backyard whilst ignoring growth into new areas that they control.

I think you underestimate the man.
I have a little family history with V`landy`s and although I`ve never met him, I know the type of people he is capable of dealing with.
It is important to remember that V`landy`s was plucked as an unknown to clean up harness racing in this state which had become a hotbed of organised crime. Stories go that not one race meet was held where not at least one of the races was fixed and the sport was completely discredited.
Within two years he had cleaned it up, introduced new revenue streams and made it a model for other race clubs. This is what led to the push for him to take charge at racing NSW and the rest is history.
V`landy`s thrives on having an enemy ( he says he loves competition ) and just as he has made racing Victoria his target in his racing industry job he has made the afl his target in his League position, this isn`t feigned, this is how he operates.
I`m a little concerned about the deal with Foxtel but I am willing to cut him a bit of slack and trust that he is playing, let`s say, the medium term game.

 

[The Penguin #6.]

From experience if you are over the $405 mark you are saying so for good publicity and to show your stakeholders what a good job you are doing running the game! You'll see often things like "nearly $410million' or "close to $410million". If its less than $405 its much more likely you'd see what we have seen the "little over $400" thats been quoted.

Normally in most scenarios I`d agree with that, but this isn`t most scenarios. This is a tactical game between two organisations in a crowded market who are at each others throats and played by one bloke, the one on our side, who takes no prisoners and goes by the motto no doubt " never give a sucker an even break ".

What the NRL got would have zero influence or bearing on the AFL negotiations, likewise the other way round. It hasnt in the past an no reason to believe it would this time

Not true. When Dave Smith enraged Rupert Murdoch by not including Foxtel in NRL broadcast rights negotiations, Murdoch famously tacked another several hundred million on to the afl rights, flew to Oz for the broadcast rights announcement ( unheard of before ) and got up and said to the gathered national media, " we`ve always preferred afl ".
Which was absolute baloney considering not that long before he had tried to purchase League world wide, still owned the Broncos and had tipped tens of millions into the Storm.
I`m hoping that we have a more sympathetic ear and business partner with Lachlan who actually loves Rugby League and just doesn`t see it as a money spinner like his Father.

 

[Perth Red]

Not true. When Dave Smith enraged Rupert Murdoch by not including Foxtel in NRL broadcast rights negotiations, Murdoch famously tacked another several hundred million on to the afl rights, flew to Oz for the broadcast rights announcement ( unheard of before ) and got up and said to the gathered national media, " we`ve always preferred afl ".

it would appear that was a bit of a stomp of feet and a furphy as the 2023/2024 AFL fox deal looks to be even more from fox so why would they not pay less now if it was all about what Smith did then?

 

[The Penguin #6.]

it would appear that was a bit of a stomp of feet and a furphy as the 2023/2024 AFL fox deal looks to be even more from fox so why would they not pay less now if it was all about what Smith did then?

What are the details of that most recent deal ? and is it only more on the reduced amount that Fox paid 20/21/22.
One thing I had read was the deal wasn`t extended to 2027 because Fox aren`t happy with this business of afl broadcasting home team games into home states which reduced the reliance on Foxtel for fans to see games. I wonder how they are going to work around that.

 

[Perth Red]

What are the details of that most recent deal ? and is it only more on the reduced amount that Fox paid 20/21/22.
One thing I had read was the deal wasn`t extended to 2027 because Fox aren`t happy with this business of afl broadcasting home team games into home states which reduced the reliance on Foxtel for fans to see games. I wonder how they are going to work around that.

Maybe, but knowing afl if they relent on it they’ll get a sht load of money for it. What will be interesting is if they feel there might be some competition from a streaming service by then.
their next deal 23&24 is quoted as $473mill a year and it’s been stated fox are paying “slightly” more Than in the last deal. If the last deal saw a massive fox payout to pss off the nrl then they must still be angry as it seems they haven’t changed it!