2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[The_Wookie]

Add in the tens of millions in clubs debts guaranteed by the afl.

Im actually wrong in the first comment - its the entire debt bearing liability at 90m. Everything else is a lease liability, not loans or debt bearing.

The clubs account for 45m in contingent liabilities,.

 

[The_Wookie]

You posted yourself on your twitter that without the jobseeker afl clubs on the whole lost money last year. Yes I do read your posts quite a bit

They would have. But they didnt...because um...jobseeker? like every other corporation including the NRL.

 

[Perth Red]

Yeah but if they migrate from Foxtel Sports HD to Kayo then they'll go from paying $74 to $25.

I'd love to know just how much people are actually paying to view Foxtel Sports HD and Kayo. Foxtel will negotiate with frustrated customers and give them a reduced fee if they threaten to unsubscribe. Then there's the people who are on a discounted Kayo deal. Don't forget the people who only subscribe during the football season. I suspect Foxtel are making much less money than they want us to know.

It will certainly be driving their revenue modelling thinking for sure. I think the big loss for them is in the bundled packages on STV compared to people just picking up KAYO then getting Netfix, Disney etc. The price of Kayo at $27.50 and the Foxsports subscription at $74 is quite a difference though even of KAYO has driven an extra 300k subscribers.

 

[Perth Red]

I think your desperate to defend afl at any cost against rugby league fans lol

I think you dont like it when people show you the actual figures rather than the made up ones in your head lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Foxtels ARPU last quarter increased 3% year-over-year to A$82 (US$60).


also

Going by that graph, traditional Foxtel subscribers have plummeted from 2,500,000 to 1,783,000. Kayo and Bing have almost 2,000,000 subscribers, half of which are former Foxtel customers who've cut the cord.

Foxtel have taken a huge revenue hit.

 

[Wb1234]

They would have. But they didnt...because um...jobseeker? like every other corporation including the NRL.

So now jobseeker is gone there’s also the loss of that income to be made up together with the cut on funding from the afl itself

jeeze that’s a lot of money they need to find pretty soon

 

[The_Wookie]

Going by that graph, traditional Foxtel subscribers have plummeted from 2,500,000 to 1,783,000. Kayo and Bing have almost 2,000,000 subscribers, half of which are former Foxtel customers who've cut the cord.

Foxtel have taken a huge revenue hit.

ARPU actually rose 3% somehow. go figure.

 

[Wb1234]

Going by that graph, traditional Foxtel subscribers have plummeted from 2,500,000 to 1,783,000. Kayo and Bing have almost 2,000,000 subscribers, half of which are former Foxtel customers who've cut the cord.

Foxtel have taken a huge revenue hit.

https://www.foxtel.com.au/about/media-centre/press-releases/2021/foxtel-group-2021-financial-results-highlights.html

No they didn’t

 

[The_Wookie]

So now jobseeker is gone there’s also the loss of that income to be made up together with the cut on funding from the afl itself

jeeze that’s a lot of money they need to find pretty soon

Jobseeker last year was a fraction of the year before. We saw most of that revenue made last year when the league gained 80m on 2020, the rest should come throught this year. Club funding was pretty much back to normal last year, and will be back in line with the CBA this year.

I think you'll find theres a lot of gains from actually being able to attend matches this year that the AFL and its clubs have missed.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

ARPU actually rose 3% somehow. go figure.

I think they've reigned in how much they spend on content. They've lost a lot of content that's now on Disney+, Stan, Paramount+, Optus Sport, Britbox, Accorn and Amazon Prime.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

https://www.foxtel.com.au/about/media-centre/press-releases/2021/foxtel-group-2021-financial-results-highlights.html

No they didn’t

Like I said in the other post, they've shed a lot of content. The savings from no longer paying anything to Disney for their children's content, SANZAAR, FFA, NBL, IndyCar, NHL, NBA, NFL, IPL, WRX, EPL, English RU, French RU and other content suppliers who've launched their own streaming platforms would be significant.

To have an ARPU then most of their legacy customers must still be getting platinum or are including subscribers who have a Foxtel Broadband bundle deal.

 

[Wb1234]

Like I said in the other post, they've shed a lot of content. The savings from no longer paying anything to Disney for their children's content, SANZAAR, FFA, NBL, IndyCar, NHL, NBA, NFL, IPL, WRX, EPL, English RU, French RU and other content suppliers who've launched their own streaming platforms would be significant.

To have an ARPU then most of their legacy customers must still be getting platinum or are including subscribers who have a Foxtel Broadband bundle deal.

The link says they’ve increased spending on content in the 4th quarter

I mean aren’t they paying nrl and afl an extra 150 million pa

 

[Perth Red]

I mean aren’t they paying nrl and afl an extra 150 million pa

from when?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The link says they’ve increased spending on content in the 4th quarter

I mean aren’t they paying nrl and afl an extra 150 million pa

They've lost A-League, which they were paying $25 million pa in 2020 after negotiating a reduction due to COVID-19.

A-League confirms 'AUS$200m' rights deal that sees Paramount+ launch in Australia - SportsPro

ViacomCBS to also air domestic top-flight soccer on commercial Network Ten in five-year deal.

www.sportspromedia.com

Before that they were paying $57 million per annum.

Foxtel breaks A-League broadcast deal

Foxtel has backed out of its deal with Football Federation Australia to broadcast domestic football, including the A-League.

www.soccerscene.com.au

Rugby Australia received $57 million per annum from Foxtel.

‘A matter for Rugby Australia’: Fox Sports responds to TV rugby rights reports

‘A matter for Rugby Australia’: Fox Sports responds to TV rugby rights reports

www.foxsports.com.au

So that's a saving of $114 million per annum by shedding sooker and onionball.

 

[Wb1234]

They've lost A-League, which they were paying $25 million pa in 2020 after negotiating a reduction due to COVID-19.

A-League confirms 'AUS$200m' rights deal that sees Paramount+ launch in Australia - SportsPro

ViacomCBS to also air domestic top-flight soccer on commercial Network Ten in five-year deal.

www.sportspromedia.com

Before that they were paying $57 million per annum.

Foxtel breaks A-League broadcast deal

Foxtel has backed out of its deal with Football Federation Australia to broadcast domestic football, including the A-League.

www.soccerscene.com.au

Rugby Australia received $57 million per annum from Foxtel.

‘A matter for Rugby Australia’: Fox Sports responds to TV rugby rights reports

‘A matter for Rugby Australia’: Fox Sports responds to TV rugby rights reports

www.foxsports.com.au

So that's a saving of $114 million per annum by shedding sooker and onionball.

And they renogtiated with nrl and afl to get rid of the covid discounts ?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

And they renogtiated with nrl and afl to get rid of the covid discounts ?

They're paying us no more now than they did before COVID-19.

 

[Perth Red]

They're paying us no more now than they did before COVID-19.

Nor will they for the next 5 years thanks to Vlandys!

 

[Menaiduck]

Nor will they for the next 5 years thanks to Vlandys!

Thanks for telling us for the 100th time. Bitter much?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

MSN

 

[The Penguin #6.]

MSN

Go to Channel 10 and die.
Could work for League though, Seven will be desperate to get some tier 1 sport to replace it, maybe finally a rival bidder to C9.